low dose tren on a cruise?

[Ketogains]

Ive been reading around a bit, a few people do do this in order to help stay lean and might bridge/cruise at 100-150mg tren /week with 150mg test per/week also.

 

Anyone here tried this?

 

recommend or not?

 

just looking for discussion

[nate225]

Just some random thoughts in no particular order:

300mg all up is a pretty high dose for a cruise? Doctor prescribed HRT level is closer to 200 every 2-3 weeks, but that said 300 is not excessive with many cruising on 250 or 500 (as 1-2ml a week is just easy!).

Some people see the idea of a cruise as to hold gains while giving the body a bit of a break. That said the hypothalamic–pituitary–gonadal axis (HPG axis) and blood lipids probably wont get one during a cruise, but the strain on organs is probably reduced significantly. Others probably see a cruise as a way of holding gains while giving the wallet a break!!! So in both respects the lowest dose to achieve gain maintenance is probably best.

Re: Tren - probably not a good choice as more toxic than T.

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[Ketogains]

Yeah you are probably right, ill just cruise on 200 test cyp a week.

I run a ketogenic diet with occasional carb cycle when im not on - this in itself will normalise my lipids really well dispite all the fat i eat.impossible to do keto while doing tren it makes you feel really bad.

[yeelang]

Would rather cruise on mast than tren at that dosage. As above really depends on the purpose of your cruise.

[Daz69]

Just some random thoughts in no particular order:

300mg all up is a pretty high dose for a cruise? Doctor prescribed HRT level is closer to 200 every 2-3 weeks, but that said 300 is not excessive with many cruising on 250 or 500 (as 1-2ml a week is just easy!).

Some people see the idea of a cruise as to hold gains while giving the body a bit of a break. That said the hypothalamic–pituitary–gonadal axis (HPG axis) and blood lipids probably wont get one during a cruise, but the strain on organs is probably reduced significantly. Others probably see a cruise as a way of holding gains while giving the wallet a break!!! So in both respects the lowest dose to achieve gain maintenance is probably best.

Re: Tren - probably not a good choice as more toxic than T.

Care to explain the mechanism of Trenbolone toxixity, I was unaware it had one..

Or as stated "more toxic than testosterone", my medical literature clearly states "as long as the dose is not excessive, testosterone has no side effects" (ie: no effects that endogenously secreted testosterone does not have)... 

As previously stated inclusion of Trenbolone would depend on the purpose of your cruise..

The whole idea behind cruise is to give your body a rest after a blast, without getting the crash or emotional rollercoaster from PCT, using low dose test 125-250mg (dependant on lean body mass) to hold onto gains, whilst being low enough to allow health markers to return to normal ie: blood pressure, cholesterol, E2, prostate etc...

Your HPTA function is not the primary concern when choosing a cruise-blast protocol...

[yeelang]

Not sure if toxic is the right word but it's ability to mess with sodium and potassium is far greater than any other injectable and high potassium low sodium diets can lead to some dire kidney problems on tren.

 As for liver issues I've had raised blood levels on high tren low test cycles (no orals) however it wasn't outside the range and I most likely due to not being well hydrated or other life style factors (my urea  was just outside range)

 

If it's an issue at that dosage I have no idea. Tren is a Mineralcorticoid antagonist and binds with the same affinity as your bodies natural activator Aldosterone. So tren can effectivly block sodium reuptake, effect bloodpressure /water rentension and potassium secretion with the same affinity as your natural activator... 

 

DHT compound on the other hand doesn't have the same affinity, more libedo, better feeling...

 

 

 

 

[Daz69]

Not sure if toxic is the right word but it's ability to mess with sodium and potassium is far greater than any other injectable and high potassium low sodium diets can lead to some dire kidney problems on tren.

 As for liver issues I've had raised blood levels on high tren low test cycles (no orals) however it wasn't outside the range and I most likely due to not being well hydrated or other life style factors (my urea  was just outside range)

 

If it's an issue at that dosage I have no idea. Tren is a Mineralcorticoid antagonist and binds with the same affinity as your bodies natural activator Aldosterone. So tren can effectivly block sodium reuptake, effect bloodpressure /water rentension and potassium secretion with the same affinity as your natural activator... 

 

DHT compound on the other hand doesn't have the same affinity, more libedo, better feeling...

 

If Tren has mineralocorticoid receptor antagonistic properties then it should have anti-androgenic effects... Would I be correct in assuming this..? That loss of one carbon appears to have quite pronounced effects...

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[kiwicannon]

Fucken hell this is some Matrix shit!

Just use 25mg Tren A EOD 

See how it works for YOU, if its not suitable go back to cruising on Test.

Nothing Krypton factor about that, every cunts different mate what works for someone else may not work for you vise versa. 

 

[nate225]

^^ shots EOD on a cruise.....some break LOL *mosking*

I always thought of a cruise primarily as a break on the strain high doses put on the body, but secondary to this it could be a mental break from the grind of 110% focus, gruelling workouts, the mental impact of high doses & multiple compounds and sticking pins in yourself every 5 minutes? But if the latter isn't of value hey go for it....

[Daz69]

Fucken hell this is some Matrix shit!

Just use 25mg Tren A EOD 

See how it works for YOU, if its not suitable go back to cruising on Test.

Nothing Krypton factor about that, every cunts different mate what works for someone else may not work for you vise versa. 

 

Acetate is ED injections especially with Tren, to achieve stable blood concentrations and hopefully minimise any side effects .... Unless you've got serious goals inclusion of Tren as part of a cruise is kinda pointless.... It can be a harsh compond in most people when blasting.. Once finished its best out of your system completely to maximise its effects when you ramp the dose up again..

Blasting on just enough to achieve your goals is recommended without inducing too many side effects... I can't see a reason to choose low dose for the majority of people, its expensive and only 100mg/ml it doesn't last long, whatever results you'd achieve (if any) would be minimal.. 

Its inclusion kinda defeats the objective of a cruise...

As Yeelang said Masteron would be a wiser choice, but the more compounds you add the more your numbers start to add up, and your cruise could end up a medium dose cycle..