Thinking about going on my first cycle

[donz]

I ran 500 of test.. sitting leaner at 100kg now than I was at 83kg back in Feb but what do I know I'm just a lazy wanker who doesn't train properly. I watch movies while the magic juice manipulates my blood cells into working harder, they then text my muscles to grow. I also eat only carrots and spinach.

 

Use whatever the f*ck you want to use, if you don't like other peoples opinions or comments you probably shouldn't post on a PUBLIC forum. Ignore the people being assholes and just take the actual constructive comments on board and learn from them and the experience of others, if you start firing up and name calling you're not going to get much in the way of decent information from other people.

 

PS I don't really eat carrots.. just spinach xo love you guy I don't know <3

My post about 250mg pw is fact not opinion dickhead

Annnd this quoted from your other post;

 

if you train like a useless sack of shit and have no clue then use 500mg, if you train hard and are intelligent then use 250mg per week for first cycle and if your in the middle take 375mg lol. Simple.

- lol If you train like a useless sack of shit, yeah man sounds completely factual to me. You're just another lippy small c*nt who's riding his way to a fat mid 90s body where you'll sit on the beach all day in a loose singlet because you're too fat and stupid to actually get in shape. It's ok man be mad, vent all you want because at the end of the day I'm sure you're making yourself happy as f*ck, have a nice day future Mr. O~

[southernsamurai]

LOL Donz do you know who realtalk is..........

[Realtalk]

Oh really? I thought sus250 had 250 different esters... Duh. What does the blend have to do with it? Nothing.

test e, sus250 all works same way hits same receptors not different ones...

your right no one mentioned it was ug... So if it's pharma grade then that would just make my point make more sense that 250mg/week is enough for OP cause it would be dosed correctly.

 

[Realtalk]

Am not venting... Your just idiots recommending 600mg of test for a first cycle... That's all.

anyway whatever. Money in the bank.

[Pseudonym]

Come on guys, this is a worthy discussion to have. So have it properly, debate it logically, and be careful not to say anything that could be taken personally. I want Gymnation to be a place for good, indepth discussion.

[god-of-bodybuilding]

There's nothing wrong with running 600mg test for a first cycle... 

If you're serious about bodybuilding then 500mg-600mg first time is the best idea. 

[entwicklun]

Oh really? I thought sus250 had 250 different esters... Duh. What does the blend have to do with it? Nothing.

test e, sus250 all works same way hits same receptors not different ones...

your right no one mentioned it was ug... So if it's pharma grade then that would just make my point make more sense that 250mg/week is enough for OP cause it would be dosed correctly.

 

mate, you still don't understand. the fact is if OP was allergic to one of tests, how is he going to know which one it is? safety comes first, he may be allergic to one but not the other 3. and vice versa.

now I'm going to spell this out for you because I feel like I need to

it means he can then proceed in future avoiding that compound.

there are people out there who are allergic dude, don't assume everyone is all good with AAS. great, you did well and that's great to hear, I'm also glad you are alive. but stop telling everyone here sust250 is the way to go, because it's not. you yourself should google AAS and why you shouldn't use sust250 and why you should use test only. it looks like to me you just took the advice from a dealer or a friend who has contacts to a dealer in NZ.

and no, it doesn't make more sense. the main reason is because some would see gains off 250 test, but some wouldn't, because it's not enough, 500-600 is a guarantee. regardless of training and diet.

[Leeroid]

The only reason you wouldn't see gains off 250 test for first cycle is if it wad UG gear and underdosed as f*ck lol. 250 legit pharma grade test e is still 200+grams of hormone accounting for ester weight and above 4 times high end natural production. Only reason most dealers recommend 500mg is because they're actually dosed at half or less so really u are doing 250 lmao.

Also don't see how you can be allergic to a specific ester which is basically just fatty acid chains and the only differences between the different esters is the length and number of molecules in the chain lol. Sustanon250 IS test only you nincompoop, just 4 different esters. I think ur the one than needs to be googling more

[god-of-bodybuilding]

But Leeroid, I'm not a dealer and I recommend 500-600mg test for great gains on a first cycle *good*

 

[Leeroid]

Of course you'll get great gains on whatever dose you do.

[AZIDE]

 250 legit pharma grade test e is still 200+grams of hormone accounting for ester weight 

 

isnt ester weight for test e more like 30%..so 250mg is 175mg test. i think people can be allergic to esters used in anaesthetics. no idea if they are same esters as are commonly used in esterified steroid compounds or if it is same for steroids though.

apart from that i agree with you and the other tom. i dont think anyone can say 250mg of esterified test is less than natty levels, and i dont doubt that you can make significantly better than natty gains on it.

just think if yiour diet and training is all good then youll make better gains off 500mg/week (which is not a high enough dose for most people to get significant side effects) than off 250mg. am i wrong in thinking this?

 

[Leeroid]

AZIDE wrote:

 

Leeroid wrote:

 250 legit pharma grade test e is still 200+grams of hormone accounting for ester weight 

[Realtalk]

 

Oh really? I thought sus250 had 250 different esters... Duh. What does the blend have to do with it? Nothing.

test e, sus250 all works same way hits same receptors not different ones...

your right no one mentioned it was ug... So if it's pharma grade then that would just make my point make more sense that 250mg/week is enough for OP cause it would be dosed correctly.

 

mate, you still don't understand. the fact is if OP was allergic to one of tests, how is he going to know which one it is? safety comes first, he may be allergic to one but not the other 3. and vice versa.

now I'm going to spell this out for you because I feel like I need to

it means he can then proceed in future avoiding that compound.

there are people out there who are allergic dude, don't assume everyone is all good with AAS. great, you did well and that's great to hear, I'm also glad you are alive. but stop telling everyone here sust250 is the way to go, because it's not. you yourself should google AAS and why you shouldn't use sust250 and why you should use test only. it looks like to me you just took the advice from a dealer or a friend who has contacts to a dealer in NZ.

and no, it doesn't make more sense. the main reason is because some would see gains off 250 test, but some wouldn't, because it's not enough, 500-600 is a guarantee. regardless of training and diet.

Lol whatever man, not even gonna bother.

[Daz69]

 

Oh really? I thought sus250 had 250 different esters... Duh. What does the blend have to do with it? Nothing.

test e, sus250 all works same way hits same receptors not different ones...

your right no one mentioned it was ug... So if it's pharma grade then that would just make my point make more sense that 250mg/week is enough for OP cause it would be dosed correctly.

 

mate, you still don't understand. the fact is if OP was allergic to one of tests, how is he going to know which one it is? safety comes first, he may be allergic to one but not the other 3. and vice versa.

now I'm going to spell this out for you because I feel like I need to

it means he can then proceed in future avoiding that compound.

there are people out there who are allergic dude, don't assume everyone is all good with AAS. great, you did well and that's great to hear, I'm also glad you are alive. but stop telling everyone here sust250 is the way to go, because it's not. you yourself should google AAS and why you shouldn't use sust250 and why you should use test only. it looks like to me you just took the advice from a dealer or a friend who has contacts to a dealer in NZ.

and no, it doesn't make more sense. the main reason is because some would see gains off 250 test, but some wouldn't, because it's not enough, 500-600 is a guarantee. regardless of training and diet.

Lol ​

Nothing better than watching someone digging themselves deeper into a bigger hole eh'.. RT..!!!

[Daz69]

 

 250 legit pharma grade test e is still 200+grams of hormone accounting for ester weight 

 

isnt ester weight for test e more like 30%..so 250mg is 175mg test.

 

The correct dosage of testosterone with the enanthate ester is supposed to be 67.8%/100mg

So I get it to be about 169.5mg/1ml dosed from 250mg of compound...

[Realtalk]

What people forget is that over the few weeks you have much more than that in your system because of the half life. So using 250mg of test e per week, after 3 weeks you'll have a decent dose in you. Same goes for sustanon some of which esters have longer half life's. Until you got the week where every thing becomes stable then that is actually the dose u are running technically.

does that make sense...

so 250mg a week isn't really so low after all.

[Daz69]

What people forget is that over the few weeks you have much more than that in your system because of the half life. So using 250mg of test e per week, after 3 weeks you'll have a decent dose in you. Same goes for sustanon some of which esters have longer half life's. Until you got the week where every thing becomes stable then that is actually the dose u are running technically.

does that make sense...

so 250mg a week isn't really so low after all.

You're correct, you actually start with less due to the half-life (half of the compound released, which for Test-E is about 5 days) but it eventually builds up, to stable levels..

So if you inject 169mg of actual test, then you should get half theoretically in the first 5 days which would be about 85mg which would itself half-life in the next 5 days, but be compounded by the next injection... and so on....!!!

So after 4 pins every 5 days... 85 + 42 + 21 + 10 = 158mg the compounded residual test should be about 158mg/week.... 

Less about 10% which apparently gets lost metabolically.... 

So you've still got probably 3 X what a natty produces...

[Daz69]

entwicklun wrote: 

mate, you still don't understand. the fact is if OP was allergic to one of tests, how is he going to know which one it is? safety comes first, he may be allergic to one but not the other 3. and vice versa.

now I'm going to spell this out for you because I feel like I need to

it means he can then proceed in future avoiding that compound.

there are people out there who are allergic dude, don't assume everyone is all good with AAS. great, you did well and that's great to hear, I'm also glad you are alive. but stop telling everyone here sust250 is the way to go, because it's not. you yourself should google AAS and why you shouldn't use sust250 and why you should use test only. it looks like to me you just took the advice from a dealer or a friend who has contacts to a dealer in NZ.

and no, it doesn't make more sense. the main reason is because some would see gains off 250 test, but some wouldn't, because it's not enough, 500-600 is a guarantee. regardless of training and diet.