Think less, eat more

[Realtalk]

the more weight/muscle you put on the harder it is to put on more. This is called diminishing returns (the law of) and it applies to almost everything in life. Especially training. learn more and apply it and you can beat it. I remember my journey really clearly. I can remember it took me longer to get from 85-90 than it did to get from 100-105. This is because I applied more knowledge and put more effort in to what I was doing. So every amount you gain you are gonna need to step up your game again to get more. 

[HarryB]

4 hours ago, Realtalk said:

The medical condition you are talking about is so damn rare and you wouldn't have put on like 8kg like you did if you had it. You have a higher chance of having 'worms'

 

yes you need to get diagnosed properly... Meaning medically. I doubt it's anything to do with absorption I just think you're inconsistent. If you eat real well for 3 days then you have barely anything the next 2 days then those 3 days where you are real well were a waste of time.

 

when I was 6th form at school so year 12 I was still playing 6th grade rugby that's the u53kg weight restriction grade. I'm 30 next month and the heaviest I have ever been is like 110kg. I'm 174cm tall. So it's taken me all that time to put on that bodyweight. You know how much eating I did when I was younger to get from the 80s to the 90s and how long it took me to crack 100kg. Fucking ages! I force fed myself many times then stopped then went back 15min later and finished the meal off.

 

basically what I'm saying is if you want to get bigger and put on muscle you're just long to have to put the fucking fork to your fuckinh mouth and be consistent day after day and be prepared to not see weight gain for a while and it will come in burst. Otherwise if you don't wanna do that then don't do it but don't wonder why you're not gaining like 10kg

 

i think some of you think if you don't gain 10kg in 3 months when you are doing in wrong. That's bullshit! If you gain 3kg of actual muscle in a year that's good. If you gain 15kg in a year then it's fat and it's water and it's good for nothing. Don't get caught up in the bullshit hype.

 

This!!!!!! Left college weighing a massive 73k and had to force feed myself to gain weight.

 

If people put the time money and effort into making sure they don't miss meals and eat enough as they do into taking steroids, taking supplements and training... they'd all be doing a whole lot better. It's the most basic and fundamental variable of all and yet it's just ignored for the most part. Eating consistently high numbers takes a lot of  patience and effort and there is zero enjoyment. Good post.

[maccaz]

this. eating big without resorting to shit food to make up the calories, its a big volume to stomach, doesn't just happen over night.

 

 

[Realtalk]

Bro I just think you have this mindset that in 2 weeks of eating reasonably well you should be 2kg heavier. It just doesn't work like that. Unless you are running your first steroid cycle then 2kg in 2 weeks is bad weight. You want to be aiming for say 200g in 2 weeks on a consistent basis 200g+200g... In 10 weeks that will be 2kg. A good amount of which will be muscle not fat! That's much more achievable than the unrealistic expectations you have currently. I'd keep off the scales they are screwing with your mind. It's meaningless anyway. It's only a measure of weight gain/loss, it tells you nothing. You would be better off getting monthly caliper skin folds and gauge your progress that way.

 

bottom line is you need to eat to gain weight. It's pulling something to eat out of your bag at work and eating it when it's time to eat it. And if you miss that because of work and life then it's about taking that meal and spreading it throughout your others or eating double. You just gotta do it man. 21 days before a repetitive action becomes a habit so they say. Make it a habit :)

[Bigken1985]

I used to be 70-73 when I kind of did bodybuilding workouts. Started powerlifting. Three years later I got up to 98. I actually weighed 100 at one point. All natty. It's just about eating enought every day. U don't have to go crazy but you certainly cannot afford to have a day of eating nothing. Like Realtalk says it will ruin things. Also if your scared or concerned too much about body image/getting fat that will sabatouge things. 

[PETN]

1 hour ago, Bigken1985 said:

I used to be 70-73 when I kind of did bodybuilding workouts. Started powerlifting. Three years later I got up to 98. I actually weighed 100 at one point. All natty. It's just about eating enought every day. U don't have to go crazy but you certainly cannot afford to have a day of eating nothing. Like Realtalk says it will ruin things. Also if your scared or concerned too much about body image/getting fat that will sabatouge things. 

 

So were you leanish at 100kg? Pretty sure realtalk is saying to eat properly consistently so you gain quality weight (mostly muscle, which is slow process) rather than to stuff yourself with shit and put on 27kg of fat just so you can tell everyone you hit 100kg natty lol.

 

Lots of people in nz hit 100kg + natty. In most cases it's called being obese.

[Bigken1985]

53 minutes ago, PETN said:

 

So were you leanish at 100kg? Pretty sure realtalk is saying to eat properly consistently so you gain quality weight (mostly muscle, which is slow process) rather than to stuff yourself with shit and put on 27kg of fat just so you can tell everyone you hit 100kg natty lol.

 

Lots of people in nz hit 100kg + natty. In most cases it's called being obese.

Lol obviously not lean. But you can drop back down the track. Depends how bad he wants to gain weight haha. Not talking about stuffing yourself. Still pretty healthy

[maccaz]

7 minutes ago, Bigken1985 said:

Lol obviously not lean. But you can drop back down the track. Depends how bad he wants to gain weight haha. Not talking about stuffing yourself. Still pretty healthy

whats a typical day of food for you big ken?

[Bigken1985]

53 minutes ago, maccaz said:

whats a typical day of food for you big ken?

Usually atm consists of eggs, fruit, tuna rice, maybe a shake, and meat, veg potatoes for dinner. I do like cereal pre workout tho. I'm just maintaining at right now tho

[PETN]

Sounds a lot like gymrats pans cutting diet

[HarryB]

Mine is cereal with protein powder meal and an apple. (I use almond milk cos I'm trying to not have dairy) Then I'll have tuna and rice for lunch and chicken or beef, veges and pasta or rice for dinner. Usually have a couple of pieces of fruit and maybe another tuna sandwich through the day. 

 

What does everyone else have? 

[Bigken1985]

Thread derailed

[FellowshipOfTheRon]

7 hours ago, Realtalk said:

Bro I just think you have this mindset that in 2 weeks of eating reasonably well you should be 2kg heavier. It just doesn't work like that. Unless you are running your first steroid cycle then 2kg in 2 weeks is bad weight. You want to be aiming for say 200g in 2 weeks on a consistent basis 200g+200g... In 10 weeks that will be 2kg. A good amount of which will be muscle not fat! That's much more achievable than the unrealistic expectations you have currently. I'd keep off the scales they are screwing with your mind. It's meaningless anyway. It's only a measure of weight gain/loss, it tells you nothing. You would be better off getting monthly caliper skin folds and gauge your progress that way.

 

bottom line is you need to eat to gain weight. It's pulling something to eat out of your bag at work and eating it when it's time to eat it. And if you miss that because of work and life then it's about taking that meal and spreading it throughout your others or eating double. You just gotta do it man. 21 days before a repetitive action becomes a habit so they say. Make it a habit :)

 

guilty as charged man.. since i started this thread in 2013 i been weighing myself every morning and get pissed when i dont see gains lol think that kinda sets me up with thoughts that i'm failing before i have even begun the day. gona get rid of my scale now. weight wise i been sitting around 60 for some years now but big change in lean mass/strength over that time so this scale aint serving shit except for making me feel like i aint improving.

 

my practical lessons for the day :

• keep eating, keep it clean and force the food in cos gaining aint easy
• stop expecting daily/weekly results or relying on scales to tell the story
• throw away the scale

[FellowshipOfTheRon]

Day 1 of less overthinking,  more lifting.

 

2nd August

W2D2

 

Speed deadlifts

2x8x60, 4x3x100

 

Deadlifts

2x5x130kg

 

Sumo SLDL

3x8x60

 

Pullups 4 sets to failure

[FellowshipOfTheRon]

Felt exhausted AF whole day not sure if have the black plague. Anyway still trained main lifts, didn't get around to the accessories cos was losing grip and felt sleepy. Bench feeling stronger, working on pause at bottom and trying to engage lats for the pushoff for speed.

 

 

4th August

W2D3

 

Bench

2x15x20, 10x40, 5x50, 1x60, 1x70, 3x5x65

 

Close grip bench (with sling)

3x3x60

[Realtalk]

But did you eat?

[FellowshipOfTheRon]

1 minute ago, Realtalk said:

But did you eat?

 

yeah bro, still keeping consistent with relatively clean real whole foods upping the intake every opportunity i get. also feeling less of that nausea/vomitting stuff so manged to fit in an extra '2nd dinner' (6 weetbix with milk and honey) and cup of rice + can tuna/chicken before bed.  wierd comment, havent burped and farted in ages but it started up again, guess digestive system is going back to normal from fiber or thistle or whatever

[FellowshipOfTheRon]

Kinda mad but it's seasonal and I need to learn how to overcome it. Joint / tendon pains coming in strong. Is this the part where I go back to gym and do lightweight stuff for a while instead of trying to do strength block training with primarily compounds?

 

Eating getting better - didn't count cals since I get obsessed with numbers but will weigh myself in 3 weeks time and add more food if required.

 

Todays food :

3 cups rice (cooked) + 300grams chicken cooked in tom yum sauce / oil / frozen mixed veges  - had for breakfast/lunch/pre-gym

1 x 85 gram tuna can snack at work (was yuck on its own.. prob find some chop chop chicken for tomorrow)

post gym 8 weetbix + milk + honey

2 scoops ON whey

2 x museli 'oaty' bars snacks at work

didn't cook my own dinner but was just over 1 cup rice with unknown quantity of chicken & prawns with veges

 

6th August

W2 D4

Squat

up to 1x 120kg, 3x5x100kg

Deadlifts

plenty, mate came over had a bit of a lift off

 

8th August

W3 D1

Mil press

up to 1 x 45kg

 

Speed mil press

8 x 3 x 30kg

 

Front squats

planned to go up to 4x2x80kg but ended up stopping after 2 warmup sets of 8x 40kg, knees were aching

 

Close grip bench

bicep tendons and elbow pains too much of a show stopper.

 

BB Curls

3x6x30kg , not sure why but bicep tendon thing doesn't feel pain when doing curls?

[PETN]

Probably not a bicep tendon..triceps tendon of similar..lots of tendons attach to elbow. Noticed since realtalk has written on here about issue with his that 80% of people on here that powerlift also have an injured bicep tendon because part of their arm gets sore. Seems to be winter 2016 must have fashion item.

[FellowshipOfTheRon]

18 minutes ago, PETN said:

Probably not a bicep tendon..triceps tendon of similar..lots of tendons attach to elbow. Noticed since realtalk has written on here about issue with his that 80% of people on here that powerlift also have an injured bicep tendon because part of their arm gets sore. Seems to be winter 2016 must have fashion item.

yeh i get it consistently every year usually same time knees give out so it must be something shit that im doing in terms of warmups for colder weather tbh. most likely not the bicep tendon as you say , it hurts more strongly around the forearm area and only when doing pushing stuff

[FellowshipOfTheRon]

Alright this morning was pretty shit start, could barely change gears driving without pain in arms, knees weren't moving too smoothly either kinda feels like i'm a robot and i need re-greasing on all the joints. Was about to go all negative again then i was like wait wtf man.. I lift because I like  it, no one forces me to do it. I will find a way to keep doing what i enjoy.

 

came home put the heater up spent 30 mins doing wierd yoga routine off youtube, spent significant amount of time warming up (it's more tiring than it looks), put heat cream on all joints and chuck on sleeves etc, ready to rumble.  felt minor pains still but in all honesty this is the best chest session i've had since that day i went nuts and lifted the heaviest dumbells in the gym yolo style. chest pump is real.

 

eating been getting better. took some faggy selfies as witnessed below, abs disappearing so can confidently say i'm in a caloric excess without having to count stuff.  i look kind of pregnant bellied like that full time now lol.

 

 

9th August

W3 D2

 

Bench - with flared (not tucked) form take emphasis away from tris for a bit

2 x 12 x 20kg, 2x10x40, 2x8x50, 1x70, 2x8x50, 2x14x40

 

Deadlifts for speed few sets of 110

 

 

 

 

[Realtalk]

Dude you looked jacked! Before you are skinny runt. Dunno what you complaining about. Sick gains. 

 

Also so cycle your training heavy and light or intense and relaxed. So every 4 weeks you have a light week where you don't half the weight and do twice as many Reps lol you actually take it easy. You said you aren't competing so respect your body now so when you do decide to compete again you can thrash it for 8-12 weeks straight,

[PETN]

You look like someone potentially of African descent now rather than a starving Bangladeshi child off a world vision money beg TV ad. Same sort of physique as those guys that do that extreme bodyweight shit on bars in parks. Definitely an improvement. Good job.

[FellowshipOfTheRon]

10 hours ago, PETN said:

You look like someone potentially of African descent now rather than a starving Bangladeshi child off a world vision money beg TV ad. Same sort of physique as those guys that do that extreme bodyweight shit on bars in parks. Definitely an improvement. Good job.

LOL this is literally the best compliment ever bro, i've always wanted to overcome that starving 3rd world look!

 

Thx guys, i am definitely happy with my progress when i compare pics instead of compare scale numbers but whenever i look in the mirror i dont really feel like i progressed that much and still just see skinny runt , maybe its time for #noscale #nomirror #nofap. my ego is pretty high right now though after hearing that i look of potentially african descent, especially aesthetically and not just because i have dark skin hahaha

[FellowshipOfTheRon]

done some yoga crap today like the other day to try warm up, didnt work. not injured or anything but several sets of light squats through i still couldn't feel the knees limbering up so didnt continue the session. knee and hip joints feel particularly dodgy right now, like if i do try push through i'll be back to 2013 levels of pain so cut my losses and ended the session.

 

spent rest of allocated gym time lifting spoon to mouth for extra cals

 

must persevere, winters almost over...