Clen

[Sibolovin]

Few quick questions on Clen.

Is it a Steroid? Or just used for cutting purposes?

Legality to import from overseas if not a steroid?

Is it more for going below 10% bodyfat, rather than just getting lower bf?

Thanks in advance

[mr-universe]

not a steroid

illegal to import

both. best used 2 weeks on 2 weeks off taper dose up gradually. dont exceed 120mg daily

[I Declare War]

Yea. Certain death if you exceed 120mg!

120 micrograms (ug / mcg) is what mr-universe means.

Many people go up to 200mcg. Which in my opinion is a high dosage, especially if you're running anything else that's already affecting blood pressure, such as Dbol, Anadrol, Tren... just be careful and work up slowly to your maximum dosage. Be careful to get enough electrolytes... because the cramps that you can get are really uncomfortable. Especially in calves, feet, and abs. Worst cramps ever!

[Rxx]

Another thing to mention, Taurine should be used with Clen at 3-5g daily. Clenbuterol depletes taurine levels in the liver, hence the cramping.

[yeelang]

Personally prefer Albuterol over Clen.

less Sides

more strength

more anti-catabolic

large servings are easier to homebrew/dose (120mg posted above is a smooth x1000 recommended maximum dose)

Arguably the same amount of fat burning (I personally can't tell the difference)

Downside is cost and running it multiple times a day.

A friend of a friend has some on the way to test it's synergistic ability with a 'Carb Back Loading' - John Kiefer diet regime.

[Diab0lic]

I prefer ECG stack as it's better at appetite control and safer. I prefer the feeling off it too. Clen makes me feel like a smacked ass. This stack makes me feel like I've had a wee bump of speed

8mg ephedrine

200mg caffeine

400mg EGCg

Starting at 1-2x day, depending on tolerance and user stats, and aiming for 3x per day. More isn't necessary IMO

Unfortunately it's just as hard, if not harder, to get ephedrine in. You also have the multiple daily dose issue but IDGAF about that

[mrgeeky]

whats EGCg?

Re ephedrine

I a couple of packets of duromine that are about ready to go in the bin..

Been sitting here unused for a couple of years now. Got them on script then decided against using them.. Terrible shit!

If some one was wanting to use ephedrine couldn't they just go buy some P.

Doesn't it do exactly the same thing?

[Daz69]

whats EGCg?

Re ephedrine

I a couple of packets of duromine that are about ready to go in the bin..

Been sitting here unused for a couple of years now. Got them on script then decided against using them.. Terrible shit!

If some one was wanting to use ephedrine couldn't they just go buy some P.

Doesn't it do exactly the same thing?

Epigallocatechin gallate, its found in green tea...

Methamphetamine could be used, low dose orally (20-30mg) am.... not something you want to be using long term. The problem is peoples inability to use it in moderation, plus the body quickly develops tolerance, smoking it can create a huge addiction potential...

Amphetamine might be better than meth'.. they used to give it fat birds when I was a kid, until idiots started abusing it....

[mrgeeky]

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Amphetamine might be better than meth'.. they used to give it fat birds when I was a kid, until idiots started abusing it....

that's probably whats in these couple of packets of duromine I got..

tried them but don't like the affect...

And yeah I agree with you, plenty of substances ok in moderation..

the problem is when it's an a addictive substance.. Or when abused.

Tobacco being one of the worst!

[Daz69]

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Amphetamine might be better than meth'.. they used to give it fat birds when I was a kid, until idiots started abusing it....

that's probably whats in these couple of packets of duromine I got..

tried them but don't like the affect...

Similar but not quite the same, different norepinephrine : dopamine ratio.. more of an appetite suppressant...

[mrgeeky]

Few quick questions on Clen.

Is it a Steroid? Or just used for cutting purposes?

Legality to import from overseas if not a steroid?

Is it more for going below 10% bodyfat, rather than just getting lower bf?

Thanks in advance

Burniston JG, Ng Y, Clark WA, Colyer J, Tan LB, Goldspink DF.

Research Institute for Sport and Exercise Sciences, Liverpool John Moores University, Liverpool L3 2ET, United Kingdom. hhsjburn@livjm.ac.jp

Myocyte-specific necrosis in the heart and soleus muscle of adult male Wistar rats was investigated in response to a single subcutaneous injection of the anabolic beta(2)-adrenergic receptor agonist clenbuterol. Necrosis was immunohistochemically detected by administration of a myosin antibody 1 h before the clenbuterol challenge and quantified by using image analysis. clenbuterol-induced myocyte necrosis occurred against a background of zero damage in control muscles. In the heart, the clenbuterol-induced necrosis was not uniform, being more abundant in the left subendocardium and peaking 2.4 mm from the apex. After position (2.4 mm from the apex), dose (5 mg clenbuterol/kg), and sampling time (12 h) were optimized, maximum cardiomyocyte necrosis was found to be 1.0 +/- 0.2%. In response to the same parameters (i.e., 5 mg of clenbuterol and sampled at 12 h), skeletal myocyte necrosis was 4.4 +/- 0.8% in the soleus. These data show significant myocyte-specific necrosis in the heart and skeletal muscle of the rat. Such irreversible damage in the heart suggests that clenbuterol may be damaging to long-term health.

[Daz69]

Few quick questions on Clen.

Is it a Steroid? Or just used for cutting purposes?

Legality to import from overseas if not a steroid?

Is it more for going below 10% bodyfat, rather than just getting lower bf?

Thanks in advance

Burniston JG, Ng Y, Clark WA, Colyer J, Tan LB, Goldspink DF.

Research Institute for Sport and Exercise Sciences, Liverpool John Moores University, Liverpool L3 2ET, United Kingdom. hhsjburn@livjm.ac.jp

Myocyte-specific necrosis in the heart and soleus muscle of adult male Wistar rats was investigated in response to a single subcutaneous injection of the anabolic beta(2)-adrenergic receptor agonist clenbuterol. Necrosis was immunohistochemically detected by administration of a myosin antibody 1 h before the clenbuterol challenge and quantified by using image analysis. clenbuterol-induced myocyte necrosis occurred against a background of zero damage in control muscles. In the heart, the clenbuterol-induced necrosis was not uniform, being more abundant in the left subendocardium and peaking 2.4 mm from the apex. After position (2.4 mm from the apex), dose (5 mg clenbuterol/kg), and sampling time (12 h) were optimized, maximum cardiomyocyte necrosis was found to be 1.0 +/- 0.2%. In response to the same parameters (i.e., 5 mg of clenbuterol and sampled at 12 h), skeletal myocyte necrosis was 4.4 +/- 0.8% in the soleus. These data show significant myocyte-specific necrosis in the heart and skeletal muscle of the rat. Such irreversible damage in the heart suggests that clenbuterol may be damaging to long-term health.

5mg/kg..? Clenbuterol damaging, or the dose..?

[mitchkiwi7]

Hello there guys,

may someone please contact me so i can find out more about clen and what area you are in as i am a little affraid of buying dudd stuff here as i do not have a lot of money at the moment..

much appreciated

 

[donz]

Good luck with your skilled policing goals of 2013.

Side note - clen sucks. clean diet wins everytime~

[Dinahlady]

Clen.

All it will do it make you feel like shit (like you've OD'd on espresso) stop you from sleeping properly (taurine would help) and stress your body the f*ck out, especially women. 

Time better spent working on diet rather than sourcing/planning/using that stuff. 

 

 

 

 

[Murhf]

If you can even hold a cup of coffee, the shaking gets quite bad for some people. Infact so bad on some people it looks like they have Parkinsons. Donz and Dinahlady are very correct, check your food, check your food and check your food!

[kiwicannon]

And dont forget to check your food*biggrin*

[Dinahlady]

I'm pretty sure that in real life situations (not clinical settings) the amount of extra stress it puts on your system (most people who have taken it know what i mean) would actually negetively affect physiological fat loss in a more long term way than the benefits of it for the time the drug is in your system. 

Not saying it doesnt work or increase the fat loss you're seeing, but just negetives outweigh postives.

IMO, keeping stress levels to the minimum required, therefore cardio to the minimum required and carbs to the maximum you can and be losing fat = most sucessful cut. 

 

 

[kiwicannon]

I agree with DL but in my personal experience Clen has been a very useful tool to shed that last little bit of stubbourn B/F if your in the low singles, i totally agree Diet,Cardio is the MAJOR factor here but if Clenbuterol is utilised properly its very useful indeed.

[Murhf]

Definetly agree with Kiwicannon, its a great pre-contest drug. I.ve seen people use it to burn fat, when there over 10%  they have problems. For that last cut it is extremly effective.

[deeseenz]

Albuterol imo, clen puts much more stress on the heart.