Get Big or Die Tryin'

[soundsgood]

Yeah not hating but I've seen your arms look considerably bigger than that. I know that feel when dieting though. Everything gets smaller

[idwsgirl]

@rapz Next time I'll do some push ups and pump the shit out of my arms before I post anything lol

@tlaf Ah.. I saw I said it's been a month - I made an error. It's actually been almost two since I dropped the gear. I'm only on 100mg Test E per week, so I'm not expecting to keep muscle above what that allows me to. 8 weeks ago I peaked 10kg up from what I weighed today. I was full up with food and water tho, so it's probably only 2-4kg of lbm that I've lost.

@sg Yea, everything does get smaller! It's a mind fck. They still look kinda decent when they're pumped tho.

Chest this afternoon

Went for 8-10 reps today on the work sets

Incline Bench

Worked at 120kg

Followed up with 2 sets at 100kg, 2 sets at 80kg, 2 burn-out sets at 60kg.

Chest wasn't feeling very pumped... grrr, my front delts were a bit fatigued from the day before. Didn't feel too fun pressing.

Incline Hammer Strength

Jumped in at 3.5 plates per side. 2 sets

Flat Hammer Strength

Jumped in at 4 plates per side. 2 sets.

This was a bloody strain... probably could have done without it tbh

Followed up with 2 sets at 3.5 plates per side.

Chest was done for heavy stuff...

Pec Dec

Worked at 190lbs. 3 sets.

Chest was feeling damn tight, and veins popping out all over the front delts. Couldn't stop staring in the mirror lol

[frocko]

Are you on or off mate? One post you said you were completely off and another saying you are running 100mg.

Strength still seems good.

[idwsgirl]

@frocko For me completely off is 100mg Test E. I want to do a real low dosed cruise until I feel like going at it again. If I come off completely I'll loose too much before I start bouncing back. Not interested in that. Maybe in a couple of months I'll hit it again.

Trained Back and some Calves

Lower back felt back to 100%, was time to hit Deads again!

Deadlifts

240kg x fail! Didn't come off the ground easily, decided to give up after letting out a few expletives.

220kg x 2

200kg x 5

180kg x 8

140kg x 12

All reps were done as singles, 2 second reset before pulling. Kind of pissed I've failed to maintain 240kg. I'll give it another shot next week.

Rack Pulls

220kg 3 sets of 8-10

Shrugs

4pps 10

5pps 3 sets of 10

Kind of felt light? Usually 4 pps at the end of Shoulders feels heavy. Weird.

Seated Calf Raises

10 sets of 10-15 with 60kg

Was a pretty good workout, ran out of time for more leg exercises though. Even so, legs felt like jelly...

[tomsammce]

That's alot of weight to loose in 8 weeks especially when ur still using 100mg/week.

I believe I'm talking to idwsgirl not IDW so I should be covered.

What's the deal with the weight drop, want some tips on pct??

[Pseudonym]

Tom, you were told to ignore IDW. IDW, by creating a secondary account (which we don't allow anyway) you've created a loophole for Tom.

Frankly, the mods and I are losing patience with both of you. This ongoing feud is a waste of everyone's time. The "IDWsgirl" account is banned, and you're both suspended for a week.

[IDW]

Tom, you were told to ignore IDW. IDW, by creating a secondary account (which we don't allow anyway) you've created a loophole for Tom.

Frankly, the mods and I are losing patience with both of you. This ongoing feud is a waste of everyone's time. The "IDWsgirl" account is banned, and you're both suspended for a week.

I created that secondary account because I was using your great site too often. Last week I had decided not to log on here anymore, so I changed my account password and email account to some random gibberish to stop me logging in. But then the urge was too strong, I had to post in my journal. Creating the secondary account has nothing to do with providing Tom a loophole, that hadn't even occurred to me until he bloody posted in the damn journal. He's the one that's playing the fucking system, and because of him you've lost a good member.

Goodbye everyone! I guess I'm gonna be banned.

Furthermore, for the record:

That's alot of weight to loose in 8 weeks especially when ur still using 100mg/week.

I believe I'm talking to idwsgirl not IDW so I should be covered.

What's the deal with the weight drop, want some tips on pct??

Not a lot if you're not eating a lot. I'm just eating when I feel like it, and as much as I feel like. Taking it easy.

I don't want any tips for PCT, as I'm running T3 for my recomp. Not a good idea to run T3 without any anabolics if you want to retain muscle. It's the first time I've used the stuff, and I'm basically just testing it out slowly.

I'll ramp my gear usage up a bit every time I ramp the T3 dosage up. I was thinking something like so. 25mcg T3 - 100mg Test E, 50mcg T3 - 200mg Test E... you get the drift, more T3, more Test E. Can't be doing that when I'm PCTing.

And to be fully honest, I like the idea of a low dosed cruise over coming off completely. I can slip up and not have to worry too much, a bit of tren or deca here and there once every couple of weeks... to lift the mood or promote a good couple of workouts. It's all good, as long as I generally use a low dose over the period. I didn't want to say all the above in my journal cuz I don't want the bloody thing to become a big gear discussion!

I'd have P.M.d you all the above earlier Tom if I had the ability to PM. Given you a chance to remove your dig at me.

If by some odd chance of fate that I'm not banned and I am allowed access to an account, then I declare that there will be no more talking of gear in this damn thread... it's why I made it in the journal section. I'm quite happy sticking to this thread alone as well... all I want is a place to log my workouts. Definitely not into any feuds. Stressful bloody experiences they are!

[Pseudonym]

IDW, stop creating accounts! If you lock yourself out of the first account, contact us. Don't go creating 3 more. :doh:

As I've said, I don't want to ban anyone. I just to get this sorted out so I can put my time into developing the site, not tidying up after members (as I've had to do a lot of this week).

IDW, get this journal back on track - under your original account. Tom, stay out of this and any other of IDW's topics.

I don't think I can be clearer than that.

[I Declare War]

Monday was back, really strong workout. Later that day I felt overwhelmed tho. CNS farked. Managed to get over it with a strong coffee. Back felt wrecked with DOMS the next day.

Tuesday was shoulders. Nice strong workout. By tuesday night I wanted to literally die. DOMS was totally owning me, started questioning why I lift, felt that fucked up. Not fun.

Wednesday I slept in and felt a heap better. Like fully raging all day on-heat or something, was king at everything. In the afternoon I hit Chest. Raged at all the machines. Did 4 plates per side on the Hammer Strength Decline and Flat machines. Followed those work sets up with a few burn-out sets with just 2 plates per side. Chest felt worked really good. Might skip barbell for a few weeks! After that I finished chest up with some Pec deck, quickly up to full stack of 315 lbs. Just farking raped it, managed to keep back and rep out nice 10 rep sets. One set I took my shirt off and watched my pecs in the mirror. Looking like a machine, pecs about to pop!

Thursday I skipped legs. Knees and lower back just feel like they need a break so I'm gonna listen to that.

Today... starting to feel pretty good. I'll probably train arms tonight.

[I Declare War]

Can't reply to PM's cuz my account is on lockdown. So I'll reply to stuff in here:

Sent at: Sat Mar 23, 2013 9:36 am

From: futech

To: I Declare War

Hey bro,

That was me walking across the road on friday. Said hi.

Ah yeah, I saw u dude. I was walking towards the middle of the road attempting to avoid getting hit by the traffic which is why I ignored you. I was like wtf, who's this fella I don't know him. How's your training going?

[I Declare War]

Skipped training yesterday, shifted it to this morning.

Arms and Calves this morning

Biceps/forearms were still a bit sore from the week's workouts. But they felt okay after a good warm up. I'd done biceps already after back on Monday and triceps after chest on Wednesday.

First off I Supersetted Preacher Curl Machine curls with Tricep Pushdowns using a rope attachment. Just warmed up slowly on both exercises. Top weight on the curls was 140lbs, Rope Pulldowns was 120lbs.

Hammer Curls were up next. I worked up the rack of dumb bells quickly, doing simultaneous curls with both arms. Peaked at 35kg for 3 sets. Dropped back to 30kg for 2 sets, then 25kg for 2 sets. Forearms felt pretty nicely worked.

After this I did standing EZ-bar curls. Only with 40kg today. First off there was this horrible EZ-bar loaded up with weights, f*ck it was awkward and hurt my arms... couldn't get a good angle on it. Swapped that out for the more cambered one... ended up doing 6 sets of 10-15 reps.

Next I superset Lying EZ-bar tricep extensions into close-grip presses with seated calf raises. 6 sets of tricep extensions / close-grip presses with 40kg... 12 reps per set. Seated Calf raises went like this 3plates, 4 plates, 5plates x 3 sets of 10, 4plates, 3 plates, 2plates. Calves are getting damn strong... I've never gone above 3 plates on this exercise in the past... can't even really feel 3 plates anymore now tho. Calves must be growing?

That was it. About an hour all up.

[I Declare War]

Back tonight. Pressed for time as my schedule has changed. Which is good... I've been overtraining myself to hell the last 2 months.

Seated Rows

Up the stack, work sets here:

100kg 15

120kg 10

140kg 8 Felt easy

Wide-Grip Pulldowns

Quickly up the stack, work sets were:

100kg 10

110kg 6

105kg 8

90kg 10 (strict and slow)

Close-Grip Pulldowns

Jumped right in heavy

250lbs 6

235lbs 8

220lbs 10

200lbs 10

190lbs 10

75kg 12 (real strict and slow)

Just went set-to-set really... not much break time to recover.

Deadlifts

200kg 6

180kg 8

140kg 15 (should have done more. could have done 15 more. don't know why I stopped grr.)

Ran out of time here that was 40 minutes up. Oh well! Feel like I didn't even train. Which is good! Not gonna be retardedly fatigued tonight/tomorrow. Gonna go for a long walk now

[I Declare War]

Shoulders

Dumb Bell Side Raises

10kg 15 x 2

12.5kg 10

15kg 10

17.5kg 10

20kg 10

22.5kg 10 Quite hard!

20kg 10 x 2 sets

Barbell Front Raises

10kg 10

20kg 10

30kg 10

37.5kg 10

Note: Working back up to 45kg - next week will be 37.5kg work sets. Last week I dropped down to the 35kg for the work-sets. Goal is to work back up to 45kg. Neck gets a bit sore from these bastards.

Hammer Strength Machine Shoulder Presses

1pps 10

1.5pps 10

2pps 10

3pps 8, 7 (nice and controlled, I could have got a few more forced reps but didn't go for em)

2.5pps 8, 8 (slow squeezed reps)

Ran out of time for anything else.

Friday evening or Saturday morning I will carry over the stuff I miss this week and do a longer workout.

For Friday/Saturday:

Hammer Strength Shrugs

Upright Rows

Rear Delts

More Biceps!! Since I missed them yesterday.

[I Declare War]

Chest

Decline Hammer Strength Presses

4pps 12

4pps 12

4pps 8

4pps 6 yea that's me done!

3pps 10

3pps 8

3pps 6 Squeezed really hard and did the reps quite slow

2pps 3 sets of 10

Pec Deck

Worked at 90% of the stack for 3 sets. Then did a drop from there to half stack and moved on.

Incline Bench Press

80kg 3 sets of 10

60kg 3 sets of 10

Then I did abs and sets of press-ups in between for about 20 minutes.

Was looking pretty mean. Not as crazy as last Chest workout, but still quite vascular. Goal is:

That's what I think about when I'm in the gym... what I'm working towards!

[I Declare War]

Was fckn wasted last night. Hard to get to sleep! Went to sleep around 9:30 but felt too fried... gave up by 11:30... felt a bit more relaxed then but still not in the right state. bugger! Managed to get myself knocked out with half a tab of zopiclone. Half tab seems to do the trick, don't get that metallic taste i my mouth the next day. Still, wish I didn't have to rely on this stuff to get myself off to sleep some nights. Usually like this 2-3 nights per week.

Anyone else got any alternatives? GHB, more fapping??

[nate225]

Could try the usual suspects like 5htp or melatonin. Also guys using mt2 to get deep wave sleep. ..sweet tan and good gh promoting sleep sounds like a win win!

Before all that you might wanna review any stim use / timing, combination of that (even coffee / energy drinks) & aas can equate to problems getting to sleep.

On the zoplicone front you're probably best using it 3-4 nights in a row to establish good sleep pattern rather than ad hoc to ko yourself.

[I Declare War]

Could try the usual suspects like 5htp or melatonin. Also guys using mt2 to get deep wave sleep. ..sweet tan and good gh promoting sleep sounds like a win win!

Before all that you might wanna review any stim use / timing, combination of that (even coffee / energy drinks) & aas can equate to problems getting to sleep.

On the zoplicone front you're probably best using it 3-4 nights in a row to establish good sleep pattern rather than ad hoc to ko yourself.

Yea, 5htp or melatonin might be worth trying. In the past I have and they haven't helped much but that was mainly due to myself getting way to worked up with caffiene, workouts, aas.

Currently it's not aas that's causing the problem, and likely not caffeine or other stims as I make a point not to have stims after 3p.m.. It's just basically my attitude to training... if I don't give 100% I feel like I've failed... and failure isn't an option. Very counter productive when sleep starts to fail.

It's not the sleep pattern that needs re-establishing, when I don't work out, or earlier in the week when I haven't accumulated so much fatigue I sleep like a baby. Need to try and temper my workouts a bit I think. Maybe I could do two hard workouts at the start of the week, then a light couple, then Friday totally kill it and not worry about when I need to go to sleep. I'd need to re-suffle my workouts a bit more frequently then I guess.

Thanks for the thoughts nate. mt2 sounds interesting... hrmm

[genetic freek]

Bbing and sleep they don't go together especially if you are dieting.

Try going to bed when you are tired rather than going to bed when you think you should be.

Also having any naps during the day just completly fucks me.

[I Declare War]

Bbing and sleep they don't go together especially if you are dieting.

Try going to bed when you are tired rather than going to bed when you think you should be.

Also having any naps during the day just completly fucks me.

Yea they sure don't go together!

That's a good suggestion. Now that I'm working out in the afternoon, I can sleep in a bit more so there's no need to be up really early for training.

Naps ruin me as well.

[I Declare War]

Trained Legs today

Warmed up on the Leg Press

10 rep sets until 5 plates per side

Went to Squats

Warmed up 1pps, 2pps. 10 reps each.

3 sets at 3pps. Only 8 reps each, paused in the hole though.

Lower back was a bit sore on the warm up sets so I held back. Focusing more on deadlifts at the moment and I won't want my squats stuffing my lower back up!

Moved back to Leg Press

5pps 10

6pps 10

7pps 10

8pps 10

9pps 10

9pps felt pretty heavy today! So I left it there.

Finished the workout up with Seated Calf Raises

Worked at 4.5plates but did a handful of sets on the way up to it and a handful on the way down.

That was legs for today. Felt really jelly walking down the stairs today.

f*uck I forgot my condoms again today! Bloody hell!!#*^#@@%!!!!

[trainlikeafreak]

hey man i havnt used it personally but a few mates have and apparantly that GH blast product that Dorian came up with is pretty good for people who dont sleep etc. never tried it so let me know if you do and what you think of it

[I Declare War]

hey man i havnt used it personally but a few mates have and apparantly that GH blast product that Dorian came up with is pretty good for people who dont sleep etc. never tried it so let me know if you do and what you think of it

cheers. I'll look into it.

Traps coming up a little

[I Declare War]

Trained Arms this morning.

Was mainly Biceps/Forearms. With just a little bit of tricep work at the end. Giving them a rest... next week I want to push the weights up a bit on shoulder presses and hammer strength decline chest press.

Seated Bicep Curl Machine

Warmed up the plates slowly doing 20 rep sets... up to about the 4th plate. Arms felt warmed up a bit there so I moved on to the heavy stuff.

Dumb Bell Hammer Curls! Both arms simultaneously

10kg 10

15kg 10

20kg 10

25kg 10

30kg 10

35kg 10

40kg 8 Felt heavy!

35kg 2 sets of 10

30kg 2 sets of 10

25kg 10

Arms definitely getting stronger. 30kg is a breeze, can regular curl that shit now too. Did a few reps for kicks.

EZ-bar curls

4 sets of 10 reps with 50kg

Seated Cable Curl Machine

4 sets of 10 reps with 40kg

Rope Pull Downs

Heaps of sets focusing on the final contraction at full extension. Trying to build the horse shoe up a bit. Right arm it's already mean. Left arm is lacking a bit.... so kept this exercise quite light and made sure both arms were working at full force. Every couple of sets I went and did another set of Dumb Bell Hammer Curls with the 30kg DB's. Damn they feel light now. Goal is to get up to the 45kg DB's for good reps.

[I Declare War]

Last 7 days I've been a bit sick. Sore throat and snotty nose, a bit feverish. Probably just a bit of a cold, or maybe the flu? Starting to feel a bit better now.

Didn't feel recovered today, but I worked out anyway. Took it down a notch.

Trained Back today.

Wide-Grip Pull Downs

3 sets at 100kg

Close-Grip Pull Downs

3 sets dropping from 110kg

Seated Rows

3 sets at 115kg. Last set I did a double drop.

Hammer Strength Lat Pull Downs

Did one arm at a time. Did 4 sets with 50kg per side. 10 reps per set.

20 minutes on the bike after.

Lower back a little sore, so no deadlifts this week. Usually only do them every second week anyway. Looking forward to next week's back session.

[I Declare War]

Skipped workout today, shoulders need a break.. everything needs a break! Still feeling a bit on edge like the flu could take me down.