Seeking Mass

[Seeking]

weighed in this morning 129.0kg so since i started dieting have come down from 132.1 so almost 3kgs down, and since last week (130kg) have dropped a kilo. energy is all good, actually feel better then when i was bulking, slightly hungry at times but no huge cravings. just doing early morning fasted cardio EOD.

Bostin is crazy man!

Takes alot for drugs not sure if I would take advice from him...

yes bostin does have some pretty crazy antics doesnt he, have to give it to him though he looks pretty good. hes doing dave palumbo's keto sort of diet, reckons its works wonders, was thinking i might implement this when my fatloss slows down, just reading up more about the principles etc.

You can run test up to the day of the show if you want although I'd probably drop dosage a week or two before. The reason you bloat is due to estrogen, If you are dieting down for a show and have low body fat then you wont really have issues with estrogen because the aromatase enzyme which converts testosterone to estrogen is located in large amount within adipose tissue (fat). If you have issues still, you can use a little bit of arimidex or nolva to help dry you out, It shouldn't matter though.

again thanks Riccardo this sort of info/advice is awesome for a noob like me. repped.

It's a shame that tomsammce got banned as he was making some good posts with good advice recently. Oh well :cry:

too right bro, his last few posts before he left were actually quite helpful.

[Pseudonym]

It's a shame that tomsammce got banned as he was making some good posts with good advice recently. Oh well :cry:

No argument here. But before we started the sting, the mods agreed what the consequences would be for anyone we caught trying to sell gear to the "newbie" - ie, we would do exactly what the rules say, and ban them. It's frustrating that Tom got himself banned, but the rules are the rules.

Anyway, I don't want to derail Seeking's log, but just to let you know I'm going to miss Tom's helpful posts too. (Not his less helpful ones though... )

[Daz69]

You can run test up to the day of the show if you want although I'd probably drop dosage a week or two before. The reason you bloat is due to estrogen, If you are dieting down for a show and have low body fat then you wont really have issues with estrogen because the aromatase enzyme which converts testosterone to estrogen is located in large amount within adipose tissue (fat). If you have issues still, you can use a little bit of arimidex or nolva to help dry you out, It shouldn't matter though.

So if an individual with consistently low body fat (6-8%) hasn't had estrogen issues (mid-range levels shown on blood tests)...... that could be the reason why..

Keep body fat low, keep aromatisation low....

[Seeking]

You can run test up to the day of the show if you want although I'd probably drop dosage a week or two before. The reason you bloat is due to estrogen, If you are dieting down for a show and have low body fat then you wont really have issues with estrogen because the aromatase enzyme which converts testosterone to estrogen is located in large amount within adipose tissue (fat). If you have issues still, you can use a little bit of arimidex or nolva to help dry you out, It shouldn't matter though.

So if an individual with consistently low body fat (6-8%) hasn't had estrogen issues (mid-range levels shown on blood tests)...... that could be the reason why..

Keep body fat low, keep aromatisation low....

just what i was thinking, although some of the stories Ive read on other boards and pics that Ive seen, there were some fairly lean guys 6-10% that acquired gyno who stayed lean year round. must be a bit more to this.

more reading for me i think :nod:

[Seeking]

thought i would log a workout here i usually update my other profile but il throw it in here today to get an idea of my training.

have noticed in the almost 2 weeks of dieting, have dropped a lot of water, and most of all vascularity has increased quite a bit. 6 weeks down the line will be interesting once i implement the tren.

So i hit arms & abs last night nothing special but i had a fuckn great workout, intensity was right up there, rest periods were short as and i was full of energy, maybe the new pre-workout, got that grenade stuff, has a pretty intense energy buzz :grin:, but nothing will beat the old stuff.

started off on triceps....

Rope pushdowns

1/4 stack x 20 (warmup)

1/2 stack x 15

3/4 stack x 12

Full stack x 10

worked in a pyramid sort of style as i usually do with most of my workouts and worked into the heavier sets.

Dips

BW x 15 (warmup)

BW+20kg x 12

BW+30kg x 10

BW+30kg x 8

Straight bar push downs SUPERSET with overhead cable rope extensions

full stack x 12 SS 1/3 stack x 10 for 3 sets

EZ bar incline skullcrushers

50x12

60x12

70x10 (2 reps assisted)

1 arm cable pushdowns

1/4 stack x 10 x 3

Moved onto biceps...

EZ bar standing curl

30x15 (warmup)

50x12

60x10

70x8 (2 assisted reps)

Incline DB curl

20x10x3

Db hammer curl

30x10 (warmup)

35x10

37.5x10

40x10

Cable straight bar curl

1/3 stack x 20

1/2 stack x 15

3/4 stack x 10

full stack x 6

Finished off with 15min of core work then that was us done, looks like a bit of volume bit it was actually not too bad. took 1hr 15min all up.

was contemplating changing my diet approach slightly and was reading up on dave palumbos keto style diet. many people seem to have some good results off this. im seeing BBing coach in 30min so if she reckons ive got heaps of fat to lose then might switch approaches.

[Riccardo]

You can run test up to the day of the show if you want although I'd probably drop dosage a week or two before. The reason you bloat is due to estrogen, If you are dieting down for a show and have low body fat then you wont really have issues with estrogen because the aromatase enzyme which converts testosterone to estrogen is located in large amount within adipose tissue (fat). If you have issues still, you can use a little bit of arimidex or nolva to help dry you out, It shouldn't matter though.

So if an individual with consistently low body fat (6-8%) hasn't had estrogen issues (mid-range levels shown on blood tests)...... that could be the reason why..

Keep body fat low, keep aromatisation low....

just what i was thinking, although some of the stories Ive read on other boards and pics that Ive seen, there were some fairly lean guys 6-10% that acquired gyno who stayed lean

year round. must be a bit more to this.

more reading for me i think :nod:

Yeah but were those people lean before their cycle or were they cutting during cycle? Gyno is a different issue also, it depends if the person already has breast tissue there from puberty or previous cycles, when they begin cycle or not because a little bit of estrogen above normal will be enough to stimulate growth. Also peoples tissue specific sensitivity to estrogen can be different and may not reflect actual estrogen levels.

[Seeking]

So if an individual with consistently low body fat (6-8%) hasn't had estrogen issues (mid-range levels shown on blood tests)...... that could be the reason why..

Keep body fat low, keep aromatisation low....

just what i was thinking, although some of the stories Ive read on other boards and pics that Ive seen, there were some fairly lean guys 6-10% that acquired gyno who stayed lean

year round. must be a bit more to this.

more reading for me i think :nod:

Yeah but were those people lean before their cycle or were they cutting during cycle? Gyno is a different issue also, it depends if the person already has breast tissue there from puberty or previous cycles, when they begin cycle or not because a little bit of estrogen above normal will be enough to stimulate growth. Also peoples tissue specific sensitivity to estrogen can be different and may not reflect actual estrogen levels.

I totally didnt read your post properly riccardo, my bad. Somehow in my thick head i was purely thinking gyno opposed to overall effects of estrogen and its correlation with bodyfat.

[Seeking]

thought i would log my workouts in this profile eod to get a picture of what my training is like.

as for drug regime..

started tren yesterday, pinned .5ml (50mg) in right quad, felt the pip almost right away, not too bad today just the initial hour after the pin is pretty sore. pinned right glute this morning, then did 30min fasted cardio.

sleep was average last night, had some weird dream about dead elephants then couldnt get back to sleep properly

going to take toms advice and stick with test-e for the duration of contest prep, i will drop it out 2 weeks before the show.

chest and abs yesterday.

INCLINE BB BENCH

60x15

100x12

140x10

160x5 ( 1 rep spotted) drop set 100x6

160x4 ( 2 reps spotted) drop set 100x6 drop 60x8

INCLINE DB BENCH

50x10

50x10

50x8

chest was exhausted after the incline BB, and i purposely had short rest periods in between, was hoping for sets of 12 but oh well.

INCLINE DB FLYES

30x12x3

didnt go major heavy with these just got out some good reps and squeezed the upper pec region as much as possible.

CABLE FLYES

1/4 stack x 20

1/3 stack x 15

1/2 stack x 10

1/3 stack x 15

1/4 stack x 20

something a bit different, really pumped my chest up with the higher reps.

COMPLETED 15min of core work, cable crunches, reverse crunches etc.

then 20min of LISS cardio to finish off.

all up 90min in the gym, no DOMS today got quad session tonight.

[Seeking]

4th day on tren, pinned left ass cheek this morning. as for test-e have lowered this to 350mg per week pinning 175mg twice a week.

sleep has been weird, im sleeping but its not a deep sleep like usual, often wake up and my mind is full on thinking, its weird! and having some effed up dreams as well.

acne on my forehead is worse now than when i was a teen even the face wash im using dont do shit. might invest in some proactive.

weighed myself this morning 125.7kg, big drop since last week. 3.3kgs to be exact. however i reckon water retention levels have something to do with it. havnt changed anything diet wise as yet, if anything im feeling a little less hungry, like the tren has killed a bit of my appetite, finding it difficult to finish my post workout meal, this is a good thing for me, i would rather be struggling to eat than completely starving, especially when trying to cut down.

feeling tighter, and vascularity has increased, especially in my arms.

hits delts and calves last night.

Seated BB military press

20x20

60x15

80x12

100x10

110x8 ( 2 reps spotted)

120x4 ( 2 reps spotted) drop set 60x8

DB side raises

20x12

25x12

25x12

25x12

Machine shoulder press (reverse position)

1/2stack x 15

3/4stack x 10

full stack x 8

Cable side raises (1 arm)

1/4 stack x 12 x 3

DB rear delt raise

15x12

20x12

20x12

20x11

BB upright row

30x12

50x12

50x12

50x11

Seated calve raise

2pps x 20 x 3

2pps x 15 x 3

leg press calf raise

250 x 12

250 x 12

200 x 15

150 x 20

150 x 20

bit of volume there last night, felt good, took 90mins all up, finished off with 20min LISS cardio just walked up and down the stairway. was back in the gym 6am this morning did my 30min fasted cardio, got an arm session tonight.

got some clen on hand, i wont use it yet only if fat loss slows down, will likely adjust other things first though.

[Mutant]

Wicked volume bro, Military press is strong!

If that acne is fucking you off, try supplementing Vitamin B5... Run 10g for the first week them drop it back to 5g after that. You really want to get the bulk powder (couldn't find any in NZ), you'll go through a container of capsules in about 2days if you buy them like that. Honestly bro, That shit works wonders!!

[Seeking]

Wicked volume bro, Military press is strong!

If that acne is fucking you off, try supplementing Vitamin B5... Run 10g for the first week them drop it back to 5g after that. You really want to get the bulk powder (couldn't find any in NZ), you'll go through a container of capsules in about 2days if you buy them like that. Honestly bro, That shit works wonders!!

damn cheers for that bro, il definitely look into it :nod:

[Mutant]

If you search it on google, a few threads from bodybuilding.com and some other forums should come up. Have a read through them.

[jimmybro1]

You could try anti bacterial soap on your face.

It will dry the shit of it though. Also so benzyl peroxide gel (5-10%) as a spot treatment. This should keep it under control.

[Mutant]

You could try anti bacterial soap on your face.

It will dry the shit of it though. Also so benzyl peroxide gel (5-10%) as a spot treatment. This should keep it under control.

That will treat them, but the Vitamin B5 will prevent them coming at all. Your right though Jimmy, I'd recommend using both what you said as well as the B5.

[Seeking]

Thanks fullaz il look into getting some of both. Sounds like they work pretty well. If all else fails then il go proactive. If that fails then FML.

[jimmybro1]

Thanks fullaz il look into getting some of both. Sounds like they work pretty well. If all else fails then il go proactive. If that fails then FML.

Proactive is useless mate its only 1 or 2% benzyl peroxide wouldn't waste your time and money.

Your producing heaps of oil so gotta dry the shit out of your skin.

[Seeking]

Thanks fullaz il look into getting some of both. Sounds like they work pretty well. If all else fails then il go proactive. If that fails then FML.

Proactive is useless mate its only 1 or 2% benzyl peroxide wouldn't waste your time and money.

Your producing heaps of oil so gotta dry the shit out of your skin.

didnt even realise, thanks again JB :grin: my skin was oily as even before the cycle so its probably doubled now!!

[Seeking]

pinned my right calf this morning, as soon as i pinned a bit of blood came into the syringe, then i aspirated and more blood came in. havnt had this happen before, got a bit of a fright :pale:

was all good though just changed pins and moved to a different sight on the calf.

sleep was shit, felt wired most of the night. not getting any night sweats yet (touch wood).

[jimmybro1]

pinned my right calf this morning, as soon as i pinned a bit of blood came into the syringe, then i aspirated and more blood came in. havnt had this happen before, got a bit of a fright :pale:

was all good though just changed pins and moved to a different sight on the calf.

sleep was shit, felt wired most of the night. not getting any night sweats yet (touch wood).

Maybe insomnia from the trenbolone ?

[Seeking]

pinned my right calf this morning, as soon as i pinned a bit of blood came into the syringe, then i aspirated and more blood came in. havnt had this happen before, got a bit of a fright :pale:

was all good though just changed pins and moved to a different sight on the calf.

sleep was shit, felt wired most of the night. not getting any night sweats yet (touch wood).

Maybe insomnia from the trenbolone ?

thats what ive been thinking, havnt ruled out the possibility of taking my pre-workout late though. taking that grenade .50 caliber, usually take my pre workout around 6.30pm before i workout and in bed by 10.30pm-11pm, tonight i wont be taking any so will be good to gauge whats causing it.

[Seeking]

update...

1 week down on tren ace.

thoughts so far....

Physique in terms of body composition i havnt noticed any radical changes yet. however im still at around 14-15% BF so to notice anything dramatic il have to wait until at least single digit BF. One thing i have noticed though is iam looking a bit harder, vascularity has definitely increased, very prominent on my arms at the moment, even during day and when i work out its all around my triceps and underarms etc, starting to appear on my legs as well, which only usually happens when im down around 10%.

Sleep: this has been on and off, slept like a baby fri and sat but during the week my mind was racing, had some odd dreams as well. havnt had the night sweats ive read about, prefer not to get them actually.

Acne this got better over the weekend, not sure if this due to having more sleep or less stress, it just seems like after every weekend where i have some decent rest my skin look a whole heap better. got some decent acne facewash which im using twice a day to keep things in line.

Aggression havnt noticed a change in this yet, sometimes il spazz out or snap but i used to do that before. if anything i feel a bit more mellow (touchwood).

smell: one thing i have noted is when working out or cardio i have this weird (gross) smell that never used to be there. almost like an ammonia sort of smell or at times like an onion ive never had this before, so now i put on extra deodorant :grin:

strength: im yet to experience these huge strength gains people boast of tren. i do feel a bit stronger in my movements, managed to hammer out 140kg BB rows for sets of 10 on saturday. today will be a good day to tell, ive got a chest session tonight which is one of my stronger areas so will be a good gauge to see where im at.

pinning: this has been an experience in itself, pinning everyday in different sites. the tren i have leaves a good pip for a day or 2. im enjoying rotating the sites. so far have managed to do quads,glutes,pecs,delts,calves,biceps. so i have plenty of choice, my curiosity makes me wanna try lats and traps, will probable try later on down the line. yet to experience tren cough, although have had a slight tickling in my throat at times.

cardio have noticed that im a wee bit short of breath sometimes, nothing dramatic as i only do low intensity cardio anyway. sometimes in between big sets it will take me a while to get my breath back. definitely sweating a lot more as well.

libido: good as gold at the moment

bring on week 2 :pray:

[maccaz]

smell: one thing i have noted is when working out or cardio i have this weird (gross) smell that never used to be there. almost like an ammonia sort of smell or at times like an onion ive never had this before, so now i put on extra deodorant :grin:

read something ages ago about ammonia smelling sweat being related to either low or high carb in diet (cant remember which one lol)

[Seeking]

smell: one thing i have noted is when working out or cardio i have this weird (gross) smell that never used to be there. almost like an ammonia sort of smell or at times like an onion ive never had this before, so now i put on extra deodorant :grin:

read something ages ago about ammonia smelling sweat being related to either low or high carb in diet (cant remember which one lol)

well my diet definitely isnt high in carbs, well not anymore :grin: probably 175-200g daily vs the 600+ i was eating when bulking :shock: probably why i got so fat

[Seeking]

hit chest, triceps & abs last night

BB flat press

just did lots of warmups and worked into the heavier sets, made sure shoulders and elbows were nice and warm before going heavy. probably jumped too heavy to 180kg, wanting to test out strength.

barx20

60x20

100x17

140x12

180x5 (3 reps spotted)

180x5 (3 reps spotted)

BB incline press

100x12

140x8 (1 rep spotted)

140x8 drop set 100x4 drop 60x8

Cable flye

1/4 stack x 20

1/3 stack x 15

1/2 stack x 12

2/3 stack x 10

DB incline flye

30x12

37.5x10 (1 rep spotted)

40x8 (1 rep spotted)

Machine press

1/2 stack x 12

3/4 stack x 10

Stack x 6 (1 rep spotted)

Rope pull downs SS overhead cable extensions

2/3 stack x 10 SS 2/3 stack x 10 for 3 sets

Incline french press (EZ bar)

50x12x3

Finished off with 1 ab exercise, just did reverse crunches really focusing on the lower abs, did 5 sets of 12, absolutely killed me :oops:

Quads on the menu tonight, feeling a bit lethargic.

[Seeking]

weigh in 123.7kgs this morning, down 2kgs since last week.

still havnt experienced the strength gains from tren, definitely feel tighter and a bit harder.

doing cardio everyday at the moment for at least 30min, and EOD i do fasted cardio in the morning and then again after my workout.

switched to keto diet as of wednesday. did my first workout on keto yesterday, hit delts, traps and calves.

Smith Machine Press

did some HIIT type work for my compound movements today, so just did a couple of warm up sets then 1 really hard working set.

1pps x 12

2pps x 12

3pps x 11 ( 4 forced reps) drop--> 2ppsx5 drop--> 1ppsx8

DB shoulder press

30x12

40x12

50x14 (3 forced reps)

DB lateral raises

20x12

25x12

25x11

25x10

Cable lateral raise (one arm)

1/4 stack x 12 x 3

Front Raises (EZ bar)

40x12

40x11

40x10

DB rear delt raise Superset cable crossover

20x12 SS 1/4 stack x 10 for 3 sets

BB shrug

140x20

180x12

220x10

270x8

Seated calf raise

2pps x 20 for 6 sets

Finished off with 20 min on the cross-trainer and 10min stairwalk, took about 2hrs all up.

Sleep has improved on the tren, have slept well for two days in a row now, even though i had 2 scoops of craze pre-workout lastnight.

I think i got my first case of night sweats lastnight, nothing major, just woke up a bit sweaty, was random cos it was freezing cold lastnight :grin: got leg session tonight hammy focus.