Frontloading with test enanthate

[Leeroid]

I just want to check that my understanding of this is correct.

Test enanthate half life = 10.5 days

So 500mgs of test e administered every 7 days would cause test levels to look like this disregarding ester weight to keep things simple:

Week 1 - 333mgs (166mgs released into bloodstream)

Week 2 - 555.3mgs (277.7mgs released)

Week 3 - 703.5mgs (351.8mgs released)

Week 4 - 802.3mgs (401.2mgs released)

Week 5 - 868.2mgs (434.1mgs released)

Week 6 - 912.1mgs (456.1mgs released)

Week 7 - 941.4mgs (470.7mgs released)

Week 8 - 960.9mgs (480.5mgs released)

Week 9 - 973.9mgs (487mgs released)

Week 10 - 982.6mgs (491.3mgs released)

Week 11 - 988.4mgs (494.2mgs released)

Week 12 - 992.3mgs (496.1mgs released)

Week 13 - 994.9mgs (497.4mgs released)

Week 14 - 996.6mgs (498.3mgs released)

Week 15 - 997.7mgs (498.9mgs released)

Week 16 - 998.5mgs (499.2mgs released)

Week 17 - 999mgs (499.5mgs released)

Week 18 - 999.3mgs (499.7mgs released)

Week 19 - 999.5mgs (499.8mgs released)

Week 20 - 999.7mgs (499.8mgs released)

So it takes 20 weeks to stabilise completely, although after week 6 the changes are minimal.

If I was to frontload by administering 1500mgs for the first week only then 500mgs thereafter, it would look like this:

Week 1 - 1000mgs (500mgs released) 1500mgs administered

Week 2 - 1000mgs (500mgs released) 500mgs administered

Week 3 - 1000mgs (500mgs released) 500mgs administered

Week 4 - 1000mgs (500mgs released) 500mgs administered

Therefore creating stable blood levels right from week 1.

Here is the formula I was using:

7 / 10.5 = 0.66667

T at start of week * 0.66667 = T at end of week

T at start of week - T at end of week = mgs released into bloodstream

Are my calculations correct?

Thanks in advance

[Chemo]

Proof Asians are genetically gifted with math.

[jimmybro1]

Would you take all 1,500 mg at once for the first week?

Injecting that volume of oil can't be fun.

[Leeroid]

Would you take all 1,500 mg at once for the first week?

Injecting that volume of oil can't be fun.

You could divide it over three days, thats just 2mls a shot

[nate225]

:pfft: :pfft: :pfft: :pfft: :pfft: :pfft: :pfft:

Omg this place is killing me. A 70 something kilo guy on a second cycle needs 1500mg in a week.....

:pfft: :pfft: :pfft: :pfft: :pfft: :pfft: :pfft:

Keep it up guys, this is funnier than watching Friday night comedies :grin:

[Leeroid]

:pfft: :pfft: :pfft: :pfft: :pfft: :pfft: :pfft:

Omg this place is killing me. A 70 something kilo guy on a second cycle needs 1500mg in a week.....

:pfft: :pfft: :pfft: :pfft: :pfft: :pfft: :pfft:

Keep it up guys, this is funnier than watching Friday night comedies :grin:

LOL I know the maths is pretty confusing for an oaf

[nate225]

:pfft: :pfft: :pfft: :pfft: :pfft: :pfft: :pfft:

Omg this place is killing me. A 70 something kilo guy on a second cycle needs 1500mg in a week.....

:pfft: :pfft: :pfft: :pfft: :pfft: :pfft: :pfft:

Keep it up guys, this is funnier than watching Friday night comedies :grin:

LOL I know the maths is pretty confusing for an oaf

Haha - yeah I'm not very bright but I lift heavy stuff..... :pfft:

Someone really needs to sort this forum out in terms of AAS advice. Newbies with outlandish advice, using compounds that are well out of their league, and overcomplicating things to the point of absurdity appears to have become the norm. Oh how did the BBers of the 80's, 90's get so big with the internet forums..... :pfft: :grin:

Tom, Android, and others please...can you use your experience to give a little real world guidance? No wonder every Pro and high level competitor I know has abandoned this part of the forum....its so frustrating!!

[Leeroid]

Haha - yeah I'm not very bright but I lift heavy stuff..... :pfft:

Someone really needs to sort this forum out in terms of AAS advice. Newbies with outlandish advice, using compounds that are well out of their league, and overcomplicating things to the point of absurdity appears to have become the norm. Oh how did the BBers of the 80's, 90's get so big with the internet forums..... :pfft: :grin:

Tom, Android, and others please...can you use your experience to give a little real world guidance? No wonder every Pro and high level competitor I know has abandoned this part of the forum....its so frustrating!!

Giving advice is the last thing Im doing. Everybody says that stable blood levels is what you want and so I tried to figure out the best way to achieve that. If theres anything wrong with it please enlighten me instead of making snide remarks

[Chemo]

"nate-the-hate" \:D/

its not a bad idea, just means faster growth. I know someone that does this with sust. If that was the case then maybe prop is better. and more test per mg anyways.

I kinda like the build up of hormones. You don't necesarly need the big burst of hormones straight up, so as the dose compounds, you grow with it.

Also, its cheaper.

EDIT; not giving advice also. im no wizard.

[Android]

sorry I got lost when he stated the half-life for Test-E was the same as the active-life, so the rest of the equations mean shit to me.

i prefer Chemo's approach...at 6-8wks when gains slow down, then you have room to increase.

Here's a thought...try frontloading with your food first :roll:

(not meant to sound sarcastic, srsly, if you gonna frontload with things go all out and eat, train, juice hard!)

[Leeroid]

sorry I got lost when he stated the half-life for Test-E was the same as the active-life, so the rest of the equations mean shit to me

When did I say this?

[Android]

sorry I got lost when he stated the half-life for Test-E was the same as the active-life, so the rest of the equations mean shit to me

When did I say this?

Test enanthate half life = 10.5 days

The half-life of an Enanthate ester is.... 5.25 days

[I Declare War]

Half lives aren't set in stone. There's a lot of variables to be considered. The value given by Android is a commonly accepted average value. It can be substantially longer or shorter than this as it depends on a plethora of factors.

See the above reaction, it's an equilibrium reaction. Esters spontaneously react with water. The blood within your body is a water based solution, hence testosterone esters break down naturally to some extent once they hit the blood stream, but this process is also facilitated via enzymes known as esterases (also present in the blood stream).

When you inject your oil it creates a depot with a specific surface area exposed to the blood plasma within your muscles. The oil containing testosterone ester at the exposed surface area interface leaches out slowly into your body's blood stream.

Lower volume injects have a larger surface area to volume ratio to begin with than larger injects, therefore injecting small volumes of gear decreases the half life of testosterone ester within your body.

There are so many variables to consider affecting this process, that it is impossible to give a very definite value for each ester, they are nothing but guides.

[Daz69]

Kudos for that Marty..... Like you say the release times of esters is not an exact science, but to agree with Android its nearer 5 days than the 10.5 previously quoted... Which was due to a f*** up on carbon atoms by Bill Roberts many years ago....

[Daz69]

I just want to check that my understanding of this is correct.

Test enanthate half life = 10.5 days

So 500mgs of test e administered every 7 days would cause test levels to look like this disregarding ester weight to keep things simple:

Week 1 - 333mgs (166mgs released into bloodstream)

Week 2 - 555.3mgs (277.7mgs released)

Week 3 - 703.5mgs (351.8mgs released)

Week 4 - 802.3mgs (401.2mgs released)

Week 5 - 868.2mgs (434.1mgs released)

Week 6 - 912.1mgs (456.1mgs released)

Week 7 - 941.4mgs (470.7mgs released)

Week 8 - 960.9mgs (480.5mgs released)

Week 9 - 973.9mgs (487mgs released)

Week 10 - 982.6mgs (491.3mgs released)

Week 11 - 988.4mgs (494.2mgs released)

Week 12 - 992.3mgs (496.1mgs released)

Week 13 - 994.9mgs (497.4mgs released)

Week 14 - 996.6mgs (498.3mgs released)

Week 15 - 997.7mgs (498.9mgs released)

Week 16 - 998.5mgs (499.2mgs released)

Week 17 - 999mgs (499.5mgs released)

Week 18 - 999.3mgs (499.7mgs released)

Week 19 - 999.5mgs (499.8mgs released)

Week 20 - 999.7mgs (499.8mgs released)

So it takes 20 weeks to stabilise completely, although after week 6 the changes are minimal.

If I was to frontload by administering 1500mgs for the first week only then 500mgs thereafter, it would look like this:

Week 1 - 1000mgs (500mgs released) 1500mgs administered

Week 2 - 1000mgs (500mgs released) 500mgs administered

Week 3 - 1000mgs (500mgs released) 500mgs administered

Week 4 - 1000mgs (500mgs released) 500mgs administered

Therefore creating stable blood levels right from week 1.

Here is the formula I was using:

7 / 10.5 = 0.66667

T at start of week * 0.66667 = T at end of week

T at start of week - T at end of week = mgs released into bloodstream

Are my calculations correct?

Thanks in advance

NO

[Dinesh]

"nate-the-hate" \:D/

its not a bad idea, just means faster growth. I know someone that does this with sust. If that was the case then maybe prop is better. and more test per mg anyways.

I kinda like the build up of hormones. You don't necesarly need the big burst of hormones straight up, so as the dose compounds, you grow with it.

Also, its cheaper.

EDIT; not giving advice also. im no wizard.

I see you post a lot on this steroid board yet you have never posted any pictures and your advice smacks of someone who barely looks like they lift. Would I be right?

[DIANABOL]

"nate-the-hate" \:D/

its not a bad idea, just means faster growth. I know someone that does this with sust. If that was the case then maybe prop is better. and more test per mg anyways.

I kinda like the build up of hormones. You don't necesarly need the big burst of hormones straight up, so as the dose compounds, you grow with it.

Also, its cheaper.

EDIT; not giving advice also. im no wizard.

I see you post a lot on this steroid board yet you have never posted any pictures and your advice smacks of someone who barely looks like they lift. Would I be right?

LOL Hi newcomer. Welcome to the board.

[nate225]

"nate-the-hate" \:D/

its not a bad idea, just means faster growth. I know someone that does this with sust. If that was the case then maybe prop is better. and more test per mg anyways.

I kinda like the build up of hormones. You don't necesarly need the big burst of hormones straight up, so as the dose compounds, you grow with it.

Also, its cheaper.

EDIT; not giving advice also. im no wizard.

I see you post a lot on this steroid board yet you have never posted any pictures and your advice smacks of someone who barely looks like they lift. Would I be right?

LOL Hi newcomer. Welcome to the board.

Inb4Natesotheraccount! :grin:

Did the check up.....I know who you are Dinesh.......shall we have a sweepstake lol

[Chemo]

"nate-the-hate" \:D/

its not a bad idea, just means faster growth. I know someone that does this with sust. If that was the case then maybe prop is better. and more test per mg anyways.

I kinda like the build up of hormones. You don't necesarly need the big burst of hormones straight up, so as the dose compounds, you grow with it.

Also, its cheaper.

EDIT; not giving advice also. im no wizard.

I see you post a lot on this steroid board yet you have never posted any pictures and your advice smacks of someone who barely looks like they lift. Would I be right?

Lol straight up calling me out. Here's your straight up answer.

I'm not impressive at all mate. At all.

I've only done 2 cycles too. Nothing over 600mg

So barely experienced and heaps to learn.

I'm just interested in the stuff man.

Also looking to acheive my goal of Pro keyboard warrior

[Leeroid]

The hate is strong ITT, and the shocking thing is most of it is coming from Nate the mod. I thought mods were supposed to be just that, moderators, not initiating and fueling futile bouts of name calling. I dont think you're worthy of your mod badge Nate, Crazyfacials is more deserving.

No hate brah, I know you're bigger than me and I dont know if you're natty or not but you're not impressive at all either way as a bber (pffft), powerlifter or strongman. And neither are most guys on here that talk smack. Just need another way to keep that self-esteem from running out completely.

Android I respect and will take whatever criticism he has as he has the goods to back up his words but you're just a wannabe Nate.

Inb4 bant

[nate225]

The hate is strong ITT, and the shocking thing is most of it is coming from Nate the mod. I thought mods were supposed to be just that, moderators, not initiating and fueling futile bouts of name calling. I dont think you're worthy of your mod badge Nate, Crazyfacials is more deserving.

No hate brah, I know you're bigger than me and I dont know if you're natty or not but you're not impressive at all either way as a bber (pffft), powerlifter or strongman. And neither are most guys on here that talk smack. Just need another way to keep that self-esteem from running out completely.

Android I respect and will take whatever criticism he has as he has the goods to back up his words but you're just a wannabe Nate.

Inb4 bant

Lol why would you get banned? :roll:

There's no hate at all from me lol, just my commentary on a subject without sugar coating things..... I was telling Tom Mc earlier I don't usually comment on such matters as people can't remain objective and argue about stuff from an emotive point of view ( case and point on Dorians advice thread! )

Luckily my ego isn't as fragile as yours is appearing atm Leeroid! Or maybe the tren acetate is making you a little sensitive?

The fact I've achieved my goals competing internationally i both PLing & Strongman, & coached a number of very successful competitors in each is enough for me personally but I don't expect or ask for your approval or respect by any means. As for bodybuilding, thats work in progress with international debut planned later this year all going well.

I did have to laugh at the sugar you just tried blowing up Androids ass! Yeah hes worth listening to and knows some stuff, that'd be why we train together every so often and discuss all number of topics offline. I can assure you we both learn from each other's experience and push hard in the gym.......but now you've confirmed my wannabe status I guess Android want wanna train with me no more lol.

I'm all a bit sarcy at times, but Leeroid I'm not hating on you or even telling you what to do. That's your call. Its just my point of view. ...and I have been wrong, only once tho lolol

[tomsammce]

Good luck with ur anal plugging goals in 2013 brah

[aidangro]

lol this section of the forum is on fire at the mo!

[genetic freek]

The hate is strong ITT, and the shocking thing is most of it is coming from Nate the mod. I thought mods were supposed to be just that, moderators, not initiating and fueling futile bouts of name calling. I dont think you're worthy of your mod badge Nate, Crazyfacials is more deserving.

No hate brah, I know you're bigger than me and I dont know if you're natty or not but you're not impressive at all either way as a bber (pffft), powerlifter or strongman. And neither are most guys on here that talk smack. Just need another way to keep that self-esteem from running out completely.

Android I respect and will take whatever criticism he has as he has the goods to back up his words but you're just a wannabe Nate.

Inb4 bant

He probably over reacting because what you are doing is stupid, its not "hate brah" or any other gay saying you can think up its just people getting frustrated by stupid newbie cycles.

First of all, you wouldn't be so small & need gear if you spent as much time in the gym and eating as you do posting up stupid meaningless calculations about gear. WHO GIVES A f*ck how much is in your body from what you injected. You take it you grow its simple you don't need to over complicate it.

[denzil]

lol leeeroid pls go.