First cycle test p & e

[total_gym1000]

Would like to get some feedback on a potential bulking cycle I plan to do early next year. Training is good and diet will be mostly clean with well timed cheat meals, eating and training like a beast.

This will be a 12 week test only cycle, front loading with prop until the test e kicks in.

I have 10ml of test prop (100mg/ml) and 30ml test e (250mg/ml) plus clomid for pct and nolvadex on hand just in case.

The plan:

Weeks 1-4: 75mg prop EOD

Weeks 1-12: 500mg per week (250mg x2 mon/thurs)

Weeks 14-17: Clomid and nolvadex

I only have enough test prop for 4 weeks at the above dosage, would it be fair to say the test e would have kicked in by this time?

I'm open to suggestions and improvements..

Cheers

[dannyjay]

looks good

[Daz69]

The plan:

Weeks 1-4: 75mg prop EOD

Weeks 1-12: 500mg per week (250mg x2 mon/thurs)

Weeks 14-17: Clomid and nolvadex

I only have enough test prop for 4 weeks at the above dosage, would it be fair to say the test e would have kicked in by this time?

I'm open to suggestions and improvements..

Cheers

Test-E hits the bloodstream after about 2 days, its only the compounded half-lives that take about 4 half-lives to reach maximal blood concentrations (about 20 days)... Instead of dropping the Propionate after 4 weeks, try 75mg EOD week 1, 50mg EOD week 2, 25mg EOD week 3, by then Test-E should be at Maximal levels and its not too much of a bounce down from dropping the Prop'....

[I Declare War]

I'd drop the test p for a first cycle. Stick to test e until you've got your pinning down. How lean are you? If you can't see you're veins... then you want to keep pinning to a minimum.

[total_gym1000]

The plan:

Weeks 1-4: 75mg prop EOD

Weeks 1-12: 500mg per week (250mg x2 mon/thurs)

Weeks 14-17: Clomid and nolvadex

I only have enough test prop for 4 weeks at the above dosage, would it be fair to say the test e would have kicked in by this time?

I'm open to suggestions and improvements..

Cheers

Test-E hits the bloodstream after about 2 days, its only the compounded half-lives that take about 4 half-lives to reach maximal blood concentrations (about 20 days)... Instead of dropping the Propionate after 4 weeks, try 75mg EOD week 1, 50mg EOD week 2, 25mg EOD week 3, by then Test-E should be at Maximal levels and its not too much of a bounce down from dropping the Prop'....

Cheers for your response Daz.

Since I have 10ml of prop, following your tapering suggestion, would it not make sense to do 100/75/50, or is this a bit much?

I've read a lot of people's pip is pretty bad when using prop and some say to stay away from it first time round - any reason why the pain is worse than test e?

[total_gym1000]

I'd drop the test p for a first cycle. Stick to test e until you've got you're pinning down. How lean are you? If you can't see you're veins... then you want to keep pinning to a minimum.

The plan is to be <10% before I start. Currently on a cut.

[I Declare War]

I've read a lot of people's pip is pretty bad when using prop and some say to stay away from it first time round - any reason why the pain is worse than test e?

Propionate is a shorter molecule than Enanthate. Oil is a longer molecule, more like Enanthate... in Chemistry there's a saying "Like dissolves like".

Enanthate is like the oil, propionate is not as much like the oil... it doesn't keep the testosterone in the oil depot within your muscle as well. When the testosterone ester crashes out of solution it forms a solid crystal, the crystals are very sharp and pointy due to the nature of how crystals grow. That's why Testosterone Propionate hurts more.

I'd drop the test p for a first cycle. Stick to test e until you've got your pinning down. How lean are you? If you can't see you're veins... then you want to keep pinning to a minimum.

The plan is to be <10% before I start. Currently on a cut.

That's a good plan, try and stick to it if you can.

[Daz69]

I've read a lot of people's pip is pretty bad when using prop and some say to stay away from it first time round - any reason why the pain is worse than test e?

Propionate is a shorter molecule than Enanthate. Oil is a longer molecule, more like Enanthate... in Chemistry there's a saying "Like dissolves like".

Enanthate is like the oil, propionate is not as much like the oil... it doesn't keep the testosterone in the oil depot within your muscle as well. When the testosterone ester crashes out of solution it forms a solid crystal, the crystals are very sharp and pointy due to the nature of how crystals grow. That's why Testosterone Propionate hurts more.

I'd drop the test p for a first cycle. Stick to test e until you've got your pinning down. How lean are you? If you can't see you're veins... then you want to keep pinning to a minimum.

The plan is to be <10% before I start. Currently on a cut.

That's a good plan, try and stick to it if you can.

That's easy to understand when its put like that.. Why has no one ever explained it like that before?

Thanks for that IDW.... & kudos..!!

[I Declare War]

That's because they've all got Bro Science Ph.D's Daz69. I've got an actual Biochemistry degree...

[total_gym1000]

Since I have 10ml of prop, following your tapering suggestion, would it not make sense to do 100/75/50, or is this a bit much?

Good posts, cheers for the info. Could you please comment on the above?

[tomsammce]

That's because they've all got Bro Science Ph.D's Daz69. I've got an actual Biochemistry degree...

U need an actual common sense degree.

[tomsammce]

Just use the prop at 100mg eod for 20days. Keep it simple. No need to over think minor details which make no difference whatsoever to the cycle.

We are talking about 10ml of prop bro.