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DANCING WITH MOLLY

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Health experts say it is less harmful than alcohol, so why is ecstasy illegal?

HAVE you seen Molly? She makes me want to dance. The posters plastered on walls around Melbourne are often met with a nudge and a wink by club goers. "Molly" is the slang term for MDMA, better known as ecstasy. And it makes a great number of Australians want to get on the dance floor.

Taken mainly as a party drug, ecstasy causes the user to be more energetic and alert. It lowers aggression and anxiety, leads to euphoria and creates increased empathy and a sense of intimacy with others. According to a 2010 government report, one in 10 Australians over age 14 has used it, the highest per capita rate in the world.

At first glance, this seems alarming – hundreds of thousands of people using a drug that carries the same classification as heroin or crystal meth. But is this alarm warranted? If ecstasy were a legal and available alternative to alcohol, would the social and moral and health consequences be cause for concern?

Many experts Fairfax Media spoke to for this story say there is overwhelming evidence ecstasy is significantly less dangerous than alcohol for the user and society generally. And the word from users is when it is available, they choose it over drinking. The most comprehensive study of the top 20 recreational drugs was carried out in 2010 by the British Independent Scientific Committee on Drugs (ISCD), which ranked them from most to least harmful using a range of weighted criteria.

The results were published in the medical journal The Lancet and have been reported worldwide. Alcohol was found to be most harmful to society and fifth most harmful to users, making it the most harmful drug overall. Ecstasy, on the other hand, causes almost no harm to society and scored very low on the harm done to the user, coming in at 17th overall. Cannabis (legalised in two US states last month) came in eighth.

"The present drug classification systems have little relation to the evidence of harm," wrote ISCD researcher Professor David Nutt, former chief adviser on drugs to the British government until he was dismissed in 2009 after controversially stating that using ecstasy is safer than horse riding.

These findings are no surprise to think tank Australia21, which has released two reports condemning the so-called "War on Drugs".

"What Australia21 is about is laying out the evidence," says chairman Paul Barratt, a former head of the Defence Department. "And there's evidence that there are drugs that are less harmful than alcohol or tobacco."

Australia21's latest report, "Alternatives to Prohibition" contains a proposal by Professor David Penington, that ecstasy (along with cannabis) be decriminalised and made available in controlled doses to those who are willing to be put on a confidential national users register.

"If [ecstasy] could be handled in a controlled manner rather than just by arresting people for possession and use, we might have a basis to deal with it more effectively with education as a health issue among young people," Penington says.

So why are people being criminalised for possessing and using a substance that experts claim causes little harm to users and virtually none to society? In Victoria, possession of ecstasy carries a maximum penalty of a $4200 fine and imprisonment for one year.

Several ecstasy users agreed to speak to Fairfax Media on the condition of anonymity. All have professional jobs, which may be at risk should they receive a drug conviction.

"I'd have to say MDMA has given me some of the best experiences of my life," says user "Malcolm". "But also a lot of frustrating times that all seem to come from it being illegal: worrying about the police, sourcing the product, the quality, whether it'll actually even be MDMA or if I'll be robbed or hurt or killed buying it."

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/da...#ixzz2E23CaFfe

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cant see any problem with the old school mdma pills that were around years ago, apart from feeling a little grim 2 days after.

all these rc pills going around these days are a nightmare though, never know whats in them and how you're gonna feel.. not worth the risk

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I wouldn't say Ecstasy in New Zealand is less harmful than alcohol it is next to impossible to get really MDMA only cut stuff which deters me

This. I heard the paramedic on the radio say he dealt with less problems when everyone was doing party pills instead of drinking - that's common sense. The fact is you never know what you are taking. A relative of mine died young as a result of all the 'ecstasy' he took in London.

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I wouldn't say Ecstasy in New Zealand is less harmful than alcohol it is next to impossible to get really MDMA only cut stuff which deters me

The article refers to genuine MDMA, not the research chems' currently found in pills being sold in New Zealand, such as 4-MEC, bk-MDEA, Alpha-PVP, N-Ethlamphetamine, MDPV...

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I've looked everywhere, but I can't seem to find Molly.

\:D/

She's about mainly as crystals, but only to a small group of individuals that keep it to themselves...

A couple of weeks ago some Green Lightening bolts (pills) tested positive on Marquis Reagent to MDMA...... These are the first pills I know have tested positive in the last 4 yrs in New Zealand, so encouraging leading up to X-mas.... :wink:

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I've looked everywhere, but I can't seem to find Molly.

\:D/

She's about mainly as crystals, but only to a small group of individuals that keep it to themselves...

yep i've heard of these crystals being around recently in auckland from a couple of mates who've had em and swear by them. I dunno if they're necessarily legit, could be another rc in crystal form??

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A timely article Daz

There was a lecture today lunchtime at Victoria University on the positive benefits of drug use.

Benefits of drug use ignored, says lecturer

One of the great unmentionable subjects will get an airing at a Victoria University lecture in Wellington today - the positives of drug use.

Stuart Taylor, a senior lecturer at Liverpool John Moores University in England, says current government drug policy around the world has failed by not considering why people use illegal substances.

"A certain group in society have a desire for hedonism, for release purposes, to get away from the nine-to-five mundaneness of our lives."

Mr Taylor, 34, spoke on the subject at an Auckland criminology conference last week.

He grew up in a pub, and said he saw the benefits that alcohol and illegal drugs brought to people's lives, such as the breaking down of rigid social conventions, alongside the negatives.

Yet as he studied criminal justice at university, he found drug policy and its media coverage to be completely informed by the negatives, with no reference to any positives.

"The problem is, anyone who comes out and says this is putting their head on a chopping block.

"We focus on addiction and negativity. We don't look at alien concepts like, do those who use drugs develop skills from their drug life that they take into their normal lives?"

His argument for a balanced look was sometimes characterised as glamourising drug use, but if the goal was to protect people, a holistic view would also catch problems that traditional policy did not.

He said people who did not fit the pattern of "dirty and feral" drug users were missed by current research, including those who had problems but had the money to disguise their habit. "We still don't really know the negative impacts of most recreational drugs.

"It would be interesting to see if a group of clubbers who returned to work on a Monday morning who'd taken ecstasy were any less productive than people who'd been out binge drinking on a Saturday night . . . [there has been] no research undertaken in this."

More widespread research could mean those advocating for prohibition could be faced with some uncomfortable results, such as if the anecdotal evidence that most drug use resulted in little or no harm was confirmed by scientific study. If that was really the case, it should be made known, he said.

"We live in a society where we should discuss the truth, and the reality of the situation."

THE DETAILS

The lecture will be in Room 305, Murphy Building, Victoria University, Kelburn Pde, at midday today.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/heal...-says-lecturer

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A little related to this...

Caught a program starting last night on TV3 (I think it was) called "High Time".

I didn't watch it (Recorded) but it seemed to be about the whole thing of "Should we be starting to reform drug policies etc" and "Is Mary Jane really as dangerous as the authorities make it out to be" kinda stuff.

Seemed to be very interesting. Might catch it on "On Demand" if it is of interest.

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Interesting in the run up to X-mas, a second lot of pills have tested positive for MD** last night....

Name: Purple Blanks

Colour: Light Purple

Region: Auckland

Press: Small, double scored (Same as Green Blanks)

Tested: Yes - Mandelin. Instantly reacted turning dark blue/black

Results: Positive for MDMA,MDE,MDA, or MBDB

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Interesting in the run up to X-mas, a second lot of pills have tested positive for MD** last night....

Name: Purple Blanks

Colour: Light Purple

Region: Auckland

Press: Small, double scored (Same as Green Blanks)

Tested: Yes - Mandelin. Instantly reacted turning dark blue/black

Results: Positive for MDMA,MDE,MDA, or MBDB

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Where can you buy test kits?

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Daz what about the green blanks with the score in the middle (same as purple blanks but green) what is been reported as far as testing kits on them go?

The green blanks with double score (or possible lightening bolt symbol) tested positive end of October for MD**.......

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Cool will check it out, would be nice to know what you taking or planning too...

If it is cut with speed etc does the test still work? As both compounds are tested by the kit..

Unsure if its Meth, I think you'd get a mixed reaction, Meth is browny... MDMA is blue to black... the combination of meth & MDMA is uncommon, as you can get more money for meth so pointless mixing it with MD**...

I've had tests go brown to black, and brown to browny/purple which is confusing..

Remember the kits only test for the presence of a certain drug not the strength...

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yep i've heard of these crystals being around recently in auckland from a couple of mates who've had em and swear by them. I dunno if they're necessarily legit, could be another rc in crystal form??

Recent crystal test:

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