Aromatisation with different esters?

[Chemo]

what sort of dIfference in aromatisation between enanth and prop?

Don't think there has been any studys to prove one way or another... But from what I've picked up, there is the possibility that Propionate releasing from its ester at a quicker rate may cause more of a hormonal fluctuation than Enanthate... but obviously dose dependant...

Interesting, so really prop has more of a chance to aromatise in the body as its dumped into the blood stream relatively fast.

Where as the longer esters mean they release slowly and have less time exposed to the enzymes that convert?

Here I was thinking enanthate meant more aromatisation

So there is no truth to this myth?

I know this is going off topic now but taking another example of a substance with some potential bad sides, Tren.

Tren e vs tren a, would it be realistic to say tren e would have less sides if using the enanthate version due to less of a dump in the body?

Interesting too, as some of us progress into tren territory, what the best way to avoid prolactin gyno and all that bad shit is.

INB4 adex

[Pseudonym]

Good question Chemo. I've just split it to a new topic so it gets the attention it deserves.

I would have thought that the difference in aromatisation with different esters was negligible?

After all, it's the test that aromatises, not the ester. And although a short ester may dump a load of test into the bloodstream faster (therefore, more test to aromatise), a slower ester would dump the test for longer (therefore, more time for test to aromatise). Either way, you'd have the same amount of testosterone available for aromatisation.

No? :shrug:

[Chemo]

Good question Chemo. I've just split it to a new topic so it gets the attention it deserves.

I would have thought that the difference in aromatisation with different esters was negligible?

After all, it's the test that aromatises, not the ester. And although a short ester may dump a load of test into the bloodstream faster (therefore, more test to aromatise), a slower ester would dump the test for longer (therefore, more time for test to aromatise). Either way, you'd have the same amount of testosterone available for aromatisation.

No? :shrug:

yeah man, for sure the environment of the body would dictate how much aromatisation is going on, just wondering where these myths come from and if there is even any anecdotal truth.

[kiwicannon]

Holy shit for real :shock: :shock:

Damn interesting question!! here i am thinking Enathate aromatised more then the Propionate ester as you hold more water with Enan due to more aromatisation over Prop?

MNZ, where be thou??

[train hard]

if you took a gram of enanthate / cyp or a gram of prop and all other aspects where the same diet / training other gear and supps where the same there would be no difference in aromatisation sides or anything the active drug is still the same test

the problem is people say they wana bulk so you take test e and some dbol eat a hole lot of shit and then say im bloated because of the test e

and then when you wana get cut you take prop along with some winny and clen eat a clean diet get ripped and it was because of the prop lol

[Daz69]

Hey Chemo...... I've been trying to find what I've got regards your post.. Sorry I'm in the UK so don't have my little black book for reference...

I found this in The World Anabolic Review:

Testosterone esters (various)

Generally, claims of remarkably different behavior (other than differing half lives) between esters are unfounded. Comparisons made are often poor: for example, WAR compares the side effects of 350 mg/week of testosterone propionate with those seen with over a gram per week of testosterone enanthate. Not surprisingly, in that comparison propionate exhibits much less aromatization and other side effects. The comparison is, however, absurd.

Another falsehood which is quite commonly believed, thanks to Bill Phillips, is that Sustanon is particularly effective because the different esters bind different receptors. This is entirely false: the ester group is removed before the testosterone binds to the receptor, so there is no difference.

The theory that switching esters will somehow trick the androgen receptors is also not correct, for the same reason.

Thinking back, what studys I've seen aren't conducted with the same amount of testosterone releasing into the blood at exactly the same rate...

If everything was the same I'm sure there would be no difference with other hormonal issues..??

But I've read: Shorter esters do cause a higher peak plasma levels, therefore this may cause some hormonal issues...

[Daz69]

I know this is going off topic now but taking another example of a substance with some potential bad sides, Tren.

Tren e vs tren a, would it be realistic to say tren e would have less sides if using the enanthate version due to less of a dump in the body?

Interesting too, as some of us progress into tren territory, what the best way to avoid prolactin gyno and all that bad shit is.

INB4 adex

Hey Chemo... Just seen your question on Tren (19-nor) Gyno...

Think its been covered on here before, but from what I can remember Progesterone can't cause Prolactin gyno without substantial levels of Estrogen.. I don't believe Tren aromatises so any aromatisation would have to come from other compounds like a ridiculously high level of Testosterone/orals or a combination of both...

So its back to the same old-keep your doses sensible issue....

[Chemo]

I know this is going off topic now but taking another example of a substance with some potential bad sides, Tren.

Tren e vs tren a, would it be realistic to say tren e would have less sides if using the enanthate version due to less of a dump in the body?

Interesting too, as some of us progress into tren territory, what the best way to avoid prolactin gyno and all that bad shit is.

INB4 adex

Hey Chemo... Just seen your question on Tren (19-nor) Gyno...

Think its been covered on here before, but from what I can remember Progesterone can't cause Prolactin gyno without substantial levels of Estrogen.. I don't believe Tren aromatises so any aromatisation would have to come from other compounds like a ridiculously high level of Testosterone/orals or a combination of both...

So its back to the same old-keep your doses sensible issue....

Yeah man I understand that, just wondering if prolactin gyno would be more of a danger with any certain ester. Which I see now is all pretty bro science.

I guess the only benefit to using a prop for cutting would be more overall test in the body?

Chur Daz!

[Daz69]

Chemo..... I've found the article I referred to earlier, its by Anthony Roberts not sure if I'm convinced by all his findings, especially those based upon a single injection protocol.....

http://www.isteroids.com/steroid-esters/

[musclenz]

I would be thinking the aromatising thing between esters is more based on dose but as Daz linked Bill Roberts article from back in 2007, there are many factors that influence the speed that the esters are cleaved off the parent compound & this probably also varies between individuals. Daz has done some work on the delivery of test from different esters which I'm sure guys can find on here. Guess its a pretty complicated science because of the few human studies on this matter.