Doping!!

[Katie1309]

So in light of the whole Lance Armstrong debacle I'm wondering what the general BB's community thinks of people who claim to be 'clean' but are blatantly on the juice?

I know of a couple of guys (one who is getting quite well known and recently won his class) that claim to be 'natty' but the whole crew look like something of Jersey Shore and there is 'administer by injection only' meds in the fridge hahah....and another who also claims to be 'all natural' but has posted on here in the cycles forum many times.......

Anyhoooo I digress.....my mate who is all natural and doing really well says it so frustrating when he's been beaten by guys like this - whats the point of all the feds claiming to be drug free when they clearly aren't? And at what point do they go 'back' to being natty if they used to do it to bulk up a few years ago but came off it?

Curious to know whether they are considered 'cheats' or is it just accepted? And why not just admit you're on the juice??

[thatwaslight]

Only someone with half a brain would come out openly about their use. It only carries negative connotations. People think less of you and think your a drug addict.

[tomleegolf]

Why not just admit you're on the juice?

Ummmm, its illegal for a start and you could end up in jail? Not to mention that natty urists will,constantly pester you and annoy you about being a cheat. And if you're competing in a natural fed, you'll be stripped of your titles and banned.

I would be pissed off though if someone beat me in powerlifting in an IPF comp and I definitely knew they were taking PEDs.

[nate225]

So in light of the whole Lance Armstrong debacle I'm wondering what the general BB's community thinks of people who claim to be 'clean' but are blatantly on the juice?

I know of a couple of guys (one who is getting quite well known and recently won his class) that claim to be 'natty' but this is somewhat of a joke as his whole crew look like something of Jersey Shore (all out of proportion etc) and there is 'administer by injection only' meds in his fridge hahah....and another who also claims to be 'all natural' but has posted on here in the cycles forum many times.......

Anyhoooo I digress.....my mate who is all natural and doing really well says it so frustrating when he's been beaten by guys like this - whats the point of all the feds claiming to be drug free when they clearly aren't? And at what point do they go 'back' to being natty if they used to do it to bulk up a few years ago but came off it?

Curious to know whether they are considered 'cheats' or is it just accepted? And why not just admit you're on the juice??

Few thoughts Katie:

* Lance Armstrong case a debacle and a dsigrace to USADA. No real proof of doping that they'll disclose, in fact only real evidence tabled is the multitude of tests (hundreds I believe) that he past! Lets leave that one lie!

* No NZL Feds claiming to be clean/tested other than INBA who claim to be a "Natural" Fed with Testing in place (though not recognised WADA affiliated testing). So really no robust tested federations in NZL, but INBA the best place for "Naturals" if you want a "tested" fed.

* If you've used, you've used. You no longer a natural....ever.

* Using AAS / PED's does not constitute cheating. Using them where they are banned is cheating. So pretty much in NZIFBB, NABBA-WFF, NABBA you can use til the cows come home without being labelled a cheat. If you used in INBA you'd be a cheat. Easy concept huh?

Only someone with half a brain would come out openly about their use. It only carries negative connotations. People think less of you and think your a drug addict.

* We still love you TWL! :grin:

Why not just admit you're on the juice?

Ummmm, its illegal for a start and you could end up in jail? Not to mention that natty urists will,constantly pester you and annoy you about being a cheat. And if you're competing in a natural fed, you'll be stripped of your titles and banned.

I would be pissed off though if someone beat me in powerlifting in an IPF comp and I definitely knew they were taking PEDs.

* Dunno about jail in NZL Tom but valid points.

Agree strongly about IPF. If you use drugs there you are a cheat. There are other options such as CAPO anyway so this shouldn't be an issue in NZL anymore? Time will tell tho?

[Ninja]

Both major federations in nz are untested so this sais to me that they turn a blind eye for whatever reason. If all the top guys are using and its not a tested federation then i dont consider them cheats.

As for professional sport, the consumer is the one that is driving athletes to use drugs to get that edge. People only pay to see the freaks- the fastest, strongest, biggest, most athletic etc so its easy to see why if sport was your weekly pay cheque and it was feeding your family why you would do whatever it takes to be the best. 90% of people in that situation would have done the same- this is the ironic thing about all these people that ridicule and shame them.

I think most people look at it only from the outside, rather than why drugs are so prevelant in pro sport. They just say 'they're cheats'.

Just my 1 cent

[Dr Squat]

Agree strongly about IPF. If you use drugs there you are a cheat. There are other options such as CAPO anyway so this shouldn't be an issue in NZL anymore? Time will tell tho?

Bearing in mind that nearly all of the powerlifters banned in NZ were for stimulants and recreational drugs use.

[startinfromscratch]

did a search on dfsnz couldnt find alot of relevant stats, but isee according to this 7 of the 14 fails across nz sport were from powerlifting LOL.......

[genetic freek]

To your mate

If you can't beat em, join em.

It's bbing, not 100m Olympic final.

[tomsammce]

does INBA in nz even test...? they have all over their posters that there will be testing at their comps? but who is doing the testing..

i bet ppl just get asked to piss in a cup then the cup gets tipped out down a sink in the kitchen of the venue lol... that small federation cant afford to have its own drug testing programme... to test one person is about $800.

just a scare tactic.

[Daz69]

does INBA in nz even test...? they have all over their posters that there will be testing at their comps? but who is doing the testing..

i bet ppl just get asked to piss in a cup then the cup gets tipped out down a sink in the kitchen of the venue lol... that small federation cant afford to have its own drug testing programme... to test one person is about $800.

just a scare tactic.

Didn't a top figure competitor fail a year or so back..?

[Dr Squat]

did a search on dfsnz couldnt find alot of relevant stats, but isee according to this 7 of the 14 fails across nz sport were from powerlifting LOL.......

How many for AAS? I can think of 2 in the past 3-4 years. And these guys were insignificant. I know we are off on a bit of a tangent but I don't think that the advent of CAPO will "clean up" the sport in NZ. I would expect NZPF lifters to continue to fail testing for stimulants and rec drugs.

[startinfromscratch]

did a search on dfsnz couldnt find alot of relevant stats, but isee according to this 7 of the 14 fails across nz sport were from powerlifting LOL.......

How many for AAS? I can think of 2 in the past 3-4 years. And these guys were insignificant. I know we are off on a bit of a tangent but I don't think that the advent of CAPO will "clean up" the sport in NZ. I would expect NZPF lifters to continue to fail testing for stimulants and rec drugs.

yeah everyone on FB seems to be overlooking the fact that the biggest portion of people who either fail tests, or avoid tests, do so for stims and recreational drugs.

Everyone assumes that anyone who wants to lift in an untested fed is 'doping'.

i just want to be able to take my (legal) DAA without risking my name being put on an online register as a drug cheat. CAPO will allow that.

haters gon hate

[Danomyte]

Steroids in general - people are gonna do what they are gonna do - PEDs in tested sports is wrong but is rife in some sports - particularly strength sports.

Each to their own though - lifting against PED users is nothing new to me and will probably continue until the end of my career.

Personally I wouldn't use PEDs as I'm too scared, too poor, too old and the gain is not worth the risk imo.

Weightlifting/powerlifting is a phase in my life - it doesn't define me as a person.

[Katie1309]

Interesting responses lads, thanks. I'm not standing in judgement at all either just curious as to how it's all viewed in the pro bb world. I daresay if they was a 'safe' PED that got chicks really lean (in relative safety) we'd be doing it too

[severe]

Only someone with half a brain would come out openly about their use. It only carries negative connotations. People think less of you and think your a drug addict.

In my experience, mentioning aas has had worse looks than methamphetamine. Like wtf! Such a taboo in society it seems, almost like it is incest.

Stupid bullshit society.

[nate225]

Interesting responses lads, thanks. I'm not standing in judgement at all either just curious as to how it's all viewed in the pro bb world. I daresay if they was a 'safe' PED that got chicks really lean (in relative safety) we'd be doing it too

Ummmm......wait wut.... did you miss how many use clen, even "chicks" that don't go to the gym! :nod: :pfft: Even seems there was a wee Hollywood scandal involving the "size zero" drug.

Many also use prescription stims/appetite supressants (such as fenfluramine/phentermine (duromine), tenuate dospan etc), DMAA products or plain old reccy stim drugs, all of which people conveniently forget are PED's. :shock:

Bodybuilders / weightlifters get smacked around a lot more in the media cos they wear the evidence of their PED use under their XXXL stringers! Maybe if someone looked more closely at the modelling industry a few home truths might come home to roost? :pfft: :grin:

[Optimass]

Maybe if someone looked more closely at the modelling industry a few home truths might come home to roost? :pfft: :grin:

true true .. the modeling and Acting fraternity seem to always get overlooked.

INBA and NZPF (despite the high percentage of positives) have defined themselves well as tested feds. Obviously people are still going to take risks. And some good points here made around the positives being discouvered are not ness AAS related.

At the end of the day - no strength, athletic sport is going to be 100% drug free unless the testing is manditory for ALL athletes. To assume because a federation adminsisters testing, that everyone that enters makes a morally defined descision not to compete because they are jacked is naive - however, I can remember attending INBA events and seeing guys that were quite obviously on the gear and being dissapointed for the other guys in the line up.

IMO opinion if you signup to compete in a non tested event and in a sport that has essentially been shaped by the pharmacutical, supplement, movie and fitness industries - either directly or indirectly - and then complain about it .. your not paying attention and perhaps should take up martial arts or crossfit or something. (Interesting to see the shape of some competitive crossfit peeps coming through though ... )

Steroids in general - people are gonna do what they are gonna do - PEDs in tested sports is wrong but is rife in some sports - particularly strength sports.

Each to their own though - lifting against PED users is nothing new to me and will probably continue until the end of my career.

Personally I wouldn't use PEDs as I'm too scared, too poor, too old and the gain is not worth the risk imo.

Weightlifting/powerlifting is a phase in my life - it doesn't define me as a person.

You dont need them bro - your already stronger and a better champion for not having gone down that road. It's what makes your brand so strong - respect :nod:

[PeterDolan]

did a search on dfsnz couldnt find alot of relevant stats, but isee according to this 7 of the 14 fails across nz sport were from powerlifting LOL.......

Is that because the IPF is more vigilant in testing though?

[Phedder]

i just want to be able to take my (legal) DAA without risking my name being put on an online register as a drug cheat. CAPO will allow that.

DAA is not a banned substance, and as it stimulates endogenous production I'm pretty sure it would keep the Test:Est ratio within normal ranges.

I do find some peoples perceptions of powerlifting quite funny, half the time when I mention I'm a powerlifter to people one of the first questions they'll ask is if I use steroids :doh:

[Katie1309]

I've heard about this clen stuff....stills sounds a bit too risky to me! My mate wanted to do it coz her mate had lost 5kg in a week of so so they reckon.....but still.....doesn't sound safe enough - not sure if benefit would outweigh the risks - plus its pricey haha!! :twisted:

[crazyfacials]

Katie Anavar can be used by females....just sayin...

stay natty yo

[Optimass]

did a search on dfsnz couldnt find alot of relevant stats, but isee according to this 7 of the 14 fails across nz sport were from powerlifting LOL.......

Is that because the IPF is more vigilant in testing though?

30 odd guys and gals in a comp - 2 or 3 tested (there was a comp recently that wasn't tested on the day - but then under WADA requirements they can turn up either side of your comp at your work or home so there is still possibilities). Then there is the simple "watch the guy change and if there is oil leaking from his ampits during deadlift then point the man in the white coat at him" random testing.

I wouldn't say so - I think its because the ones getting pinged have had no where to go and/or the athletes are unaware that the substance they took (not ness AAS) was actually banned becaause the label was unclear (proprietary blend) or the were simply on a bender the week before and it hadn't cleared the system yet.

The cost of testing everyone would be huge but it's the only full proof way of saying your federation is clean.

[snoopy]

I've heard about this clen stuff....stills sounds a bit too risky to me! My mate wanted to do it coz her mate had lost 5kg in a week of so so they reckon.....but still.....doesn't sound safe enough - not sure if benefit would outweigh the risks - plus its pricey haha!! :twisted:

Clenbuterol, Anavar, Primabolan Depot and Nolvadex (Tamoxifin) seem pretty popular with girls from what I've heard.

You always need to weigh up if you really truely need it or if you have room to move in your training/nutrition ect.

I have heard from someone that [MOD EDIT: Snip] you would use 40mcg per day for two weeks on, two off ect. or pyramid up or down.

I am usually completley wrong in this forum though, so all my information is probaly lies.

best of luck

[tomsammce]

Yes ur wrong lol

[Riccardo]

Katie pls.

Lol those medications you saw in the fridge on saturday night were insulin because one of the people that lives in that house is a type-I diabetic. The guy you are referring to doesn't live in that house but is friends with the guys that do :nod:

Also, even if the insulin you spied was being used by the non-diabetics, which it isn't. None of them compete in tested federations/sports. Just thought I'd clarify for ya.