5th Cycle Advice

[tikalosh]

Pretty simple cycle planned, have had issues in past with pct so need advice for that mainly;

Weeks 1-4 150mg Test P EOD

Weeks 1-14 750mg Test E

Weeks 1-14 600mg EQ

Weeks 3-14 250IU HCG E3D

Am looking at either 0.5mg Adex EOD/E3D or Letro 0.25-0.5mg ED.

Might look at Var 50mg ED last 6 weeks

PCT

Week 1: 100mg Clomid ED

Week 2: 100/100/100/50/50/50/50

Week 3: 50/50/50/50/25/25/25

Week 4: 25 ED

Nolva

40/40/20/20

Any good?

Cheers

[musclenz]

Pretty simple cycle planned, have had issues in past with pct so need advice for that mainly;

Weeks 1-4 150mg Test P EOD

Weeks 1-14 750mg Test E

Weeks 1-14 600mg EQ

Weeks 3-14 250IU HCG E3D

Am looking at either 0.5mg Adex EOD/E3D or Letro 0.25-0.5mg ED.

Might look at Var 50mg ED last 6 weeks

PCT

Week 1: 100mg Clomid ED

Week 2: 100/100/100/50/50/50/50

Week 3: 50/50/50/50/25/25/25

Week 4: 25 ED

Nolva

40/40/20/20

Any good?

Cheers

Hcg should start after the first shot as testicular atrophy starts within 2-3 days of exo test being administrated. Why so much Clomid??? (I assume weeks 1-4 of PCT is Clomid) Especially given you are using Hcg, only a small 50mg dose ed for 7 - 10 days should restart LH commencing a few days after your last shot & at this stage you take out the Hcg. Then use your Nolva as planned.

[Daz69]

Pretty simple cycle planned, have had issues in past with pct so need advice for that mainly;

Weeks 1-4 150mg Test P EOD

Weeks 1-14 750mg Test E

Weeks 1-14 600mg EQ

Weeks 3-14 250IU HCG E3D

Am looking at either 0.5mg Adex EOD/E3D or Letro 0.25-0.5mg ED.

Might look at Var 50mg ED last 6 weeks

PCT

Week 1: 100mg Clomid ED

Week 2: 100/100/100/50/50/50/50

Week 3: 50/50/50/50/25/25/25

Week 4: 25 ED

Nolva

40/40/20/20

Any good?

Cheers

That's a fair amount of gear you've chosen?

How much do you weigh, what are your particular goals?

Dependant on the above, front loading with Propionate, then finishing off with Anavar seem a bit over the top...

Propionate hits the blood after about 14-16 hrs, Test-E takes about 2-3 days.... Hardly a difference really... By adding the Propionate you may cause hormonal issues with so much gear hitting the blood stream in a short time.... You might not need Adex or Letro, if you started off a bit slower..

There is the general misconception you have to increase doses every time you start a new cycle..... 500mg Test-E + 400mg Boldernone is all I'm using and I'm probably somewhere between my 45th - 50th cycle....

As Musclenz said about the Clomid.... A bit much for too long, 50mg would be preferable....

My 2c......

[tikalosh]

Thanks for the advice, will be decreasing the amount of Clomid in pct.

Current weight is 101kg at 14%bf, might look at taking away the prop all together, I did want to try to cut for 4 weeks to get bf % down as much as possible then bulk for the rest of the cycle. Also will maybe just leave it at that and have anavar for next time.

[soundsgood]

I'm probably somewhere between my 45th - 50th cycle...

Do you still cycle Daz? What is the point in running PCT and coming off? Surely you must just cruise / blast now?

[maccaz]

I'm probably somewhere between my 45th - 50th cycle...

Have you noticed any negative health effects? just curious

[Daz69]

I'm probably somewhere between my 45th - 50th cycle...

Do you still cycle Daz? What is the point in running PCT and coming off? Surely you must just cruise / blast now?

Your right, I've not done PCT since 2006... I've been counting what blasts I can remember as a cycle, as I always try to switch compounds after cruise...

PCT seems a bit of a waste at my age... :grin:

[Daz69]

I'm probably somewhere between my 45th - 50th cycle...

Have you noticed any negative health effects? just curious

Prostrate is fine.

Cholesterol OK

Liver values are always slightly raised, but no dramas..

[tikalosh]

So is the moral of the story cycle and pct when you're young dumb and haven't had kids and once all that stuff is over attach the iv port and walk around with a virbac drip once you're old and wise?

[Daz69]

So is the moral of the story cycle and pct when you're young dumb and haven't had kids and once all that stuff is over attach the iv port and walk around with a virbac drip once you're old and wise?

In a nut-shell..... Yes..!

[tomsammce]

either do a bulking cycle or do a cutting cycle.. iv never understood why people use stanozolol or anavar in the last four weeks to try and "cut up" if your doing a bulking cycle then to get the most out of it surely you should stick to what you are doing for the entire duration.

if you change nothing and just add the anavar then its not going to do very much for you to make you leaner, you would have to change a number of things such as diet (im yet to see someone with a body fat percentgae of 14+ get 'hard' from a few weeks on stan or var) which would be pretty much changing your goal 2/3 through...why not just eat clean and cardio for the whole cycle instead of just the last four weeks..

its just all that big eating people (fat gain) was pointless if they want to cut in the last few weeks...

i probably could have explained my thoughts better if i wanted to spend more time doing so but im sure you get my point.

just my opinions of course, wrong nor right depending what people think.

[tongandingo]

Can you post pics Daz? interested to see if this is Phil heaths secret profile

So is the moral of the story cycle and pct when you're young dumb and haven't had kids and once all that stuff is over attach the iv port and walk around with a virbac drip once you're old and wise?

In a nut-shell..... Yes..!

[denzil]

I'm probably somewhere between my 45th - 50th cycle...

Have you noticed any negative health effects? just curious

Prostrate is fine.

Cholesterol OK

Liver values are always slightly raised, but no dramas..

im amazed :shock: :shifty: :shock:

[Daz69]

Have you noticed any negative health effects? just curious

Prostrate is fine.

Cholesterol OK

Liver values are always slightly raised, but no dramas..

im amazed :shock: :shifty: :shock:

Like I've always said, if you keep your cycles sensible with a bit of though into your choice of compounds, there's very little to worry about.....

[severe]

^

The nzbb guru hath spoken.

8)

[denzil]

Prostrate is fine.

Cholesterol OK

Liver values are always slightly raised, but no dramas..

im amazed :shock: :shifty: :shock:

Like I've always said, if you keep your cycles sensible with a bit of though into your choice of compounds, there's very little to worry about.....

keen on pics oil veteran

[tomsammce]

either do a bulking cycle or do a cutting cycle.. iv never understood why people use stanozolol or anavar in the last four weeks to try and "cut up" if your doing a bulking cycle then to get the most out of it surely you should stick to what you are doing for the entire duration.

if you change nothing and just add the anavar then its not going to do very much for you to make you leaner, you would have to change a number of things such as diet (im yet to see someone with a body fat percentgae of 14+ get 'hard' from a few weeks on stan or var) which would be pretty much changing your goal 2/3 through...why not just eat clean and cardio for the whole cycle instead of just the last four weeks..

its just all that big eating people (fat gain) was pointless if they want to cut in the last few weeks...

i probably could have explained my thoughts better if i wanted to spend more time doing so but im sure you get my point.

just my opinions of course, wrong nor right depending what people think.

[Riccardo]

either do a bulking cycle or do a cutting cycle.. iv never understood why people use stanozolol or anavar in the last four weeks to try and "cut up" if your doing a bulking cycle then to get the most out of it surely you should stick to what you are doing for the entire duration.

if you change nothing and just add the anavar then its not going to do very much for you to make you leaner, you would have to change a number of things such as diet (im yet to see someone with a body fat percentgae of 14+ get 'hard' from a few weeks on stan or var) which would be pretty much changing your goal 2/3 through...why not just eat clean and cardio for the whole cycle instead of just the last four weeks..

its just all that big eating people (fat gain) was pointless if they want to cut in the last few weeks...

i probably could have explained my thoughts better if i wanted to spend more time doing so but im sure you get my point.

just my opinions of course, wrong nor right depending what people think.

This, the only use winstrol has in a bulking cycle is to lower SHBG, but it only really has that effect when taken orally and you only need a small dose (less than 25mg/day).

[Chemo]

either do a bulking cycle or do a cutting cycle.. iv never understood why people use stanozolol or anavar in the last four weeks to try and "cut up" if your doing a bulking cycle then to get the most out of it surely you should stick to what you are doing for the entire duration.

if you change nothing and just add the anavar then its not going to do very much for you to make you leaner, you would have to change a number of things such as diet (im yet to see someone with a body fat percentgae of 14+ get 'hard' from a few weeks on stan or var) which would be pretty much changing your goal 2/3 through...why not just eat clean and cardio for the whole cycle instead of just the last four weeks..

its just all that big eating people (fat gain) was pointless if they want to cut in the last few weeks...

i probably could have explained my thoughts better if i wanted to spend more time doing so but im sure you get my point.

just my opinions of course, wrong nor right depending what people think.

This, the only use winstrol has in a bulking cycle is to lower SHBG, but it only really has that effect when taken orally and you only need a small dose (less than 25mg/day).

Can you explain the need for the low dose?

Why would 50mg a day not have a similar effect?

[tomsammce]

50mg/day is fine, he is just saying the minimum for the need he stated was around 25mg/day.

u could take 200mg/day of winny for the last four weeks of your cycle but if your 14% bodyfat i guarantee it wont do shit for you....

so either run it all the way through or whats the point that my opinion i still think stan can be well used in a bulking cycle but i would run it all the way through if i was doing that.

anavar.. same goes imo. if youi at a lower bodyfat using them with a cut then its diff story though

[HumanPerformance]

I'm probably somewhere between my 45th - 50th cycle...

Have you noticed any negative health effects? just curious

Prostrate is fine.

Cholesterol OK

Liver values are always slightly raised, but no dramas..

And the youngest looking,healthiest looking guy of your age that ive ever seen. So you must be doing something right.