front-loading

[sFlUuCtKs]

been few weeks (around 7 including the couple weeks i did PCT(lol)) since end of first cycle (test e ~500mg/week, 15 weeks) so starting second cycle consisting of:

test e 250mg/ml, 1ml e3d (~600mg/week)

tren e 100mg/ml, 1.25ml e3d (~300mg/week)

cant be fucked waiting for test levels to rise slowly (also im not using dbol, fuq that) so thinking of maybe just trying to front load with just the test e. how should this be done, (bearing in mind that i am pinning e3d and am aiming for ~600mg/week)?

ive already pinned 2 ml on day 1, so if i pin 2ml again (3 days after first 2 ml) then just pin 1ml e3d subsequently, would that be adequate?

(not going to do it with the tren btw, too expensive and also never tried tren before so want to ease into it and make sure i can handle sides)

TIA

[Daz69]

been few weeks (around 7 including the couple weeks i did PCT(lol)) since end of first cycle (test e ~500mg/week, 15 weeks) so starting second cycle consisting of:

test e 250mg/ml, 1ml e3d (~600mg/week)

tren e 100mg/ml, 1.25ml e3d (~300mg/week)

cant be fucked waiting for test levels to rise slowly (also im not using dbol, fuq that) so thinking of maybe just trying to front load with just the test e. how should this be done, (bearing in mind that i am pinning e3d and am aiming for ~600mg/week)?

ive already pinned 2 ml on day 1, so if i pin 2ml again (3 days after first 2 ml) then just pin 1ml e3d subsequently, would that be adequate?

(not going to do it with the tren btw, too expensive and also never tried tren before so want to ease into it and make sure i can handle sides)

TIA

Not a big fan of front loading personally, not too sure its effective..

Test-E hits the bloodstream after about 2 days, it takes about 4/5 compounded half-lifes to reach maximal blood concentrations...

You might find a jump to a release of 600mg in your first weeks could cause hormonal issues, you might not have got working up at a more steady rate...

Just pin every 3rd day from now on....

[musclenz]

You are better to use some Test Propionate to kick start your cycle than front load. The longer esters are not that good at getting into ythe blood even if you doulble up yr first 2 shots. Sustanon is more likely to give front load results because of the various esters coming in quicker.

[tomsammce]

I would much rather up my dosage halve way into cycle or stay on a few weeks longer than to try do a frontload by doubling up dosages etc... That's not overly beneficial IMO, especially if this cycle is going to be as long as your last.

In various cycles I have done and helper other ppl with I think it's much more beneficial doing this way and always suggest using dbol half way through cycle rather than as a front loader when the long esters are peaking.

I know we aren't talking about dbol but it's all used as a frontload to do the same thing

[sFlUuCtKs]

thanks for the responses

don't have test prop or sust, by the time i get some i probably might as well not bother with it.

might just stick to ml 1ml e3d for now i guess.

re cycle length this one will be about the same, 15 or so weeks for the test.

not really sure about the tren, how long is it generally considered 'safe' to run tren for? 12 weeks?

also, i am thinking of running test prop at the end of my cycle for the final 2 weeks so that i can start PCT (nolva only) pretty much a week after i stop pinning.

Run adex for the 2 weeks of prop and for one or 2 more weeks to try keep estrogen down so i dont end up with high estrogen while my test levels pummet.

good idea or no?

[Daz69]

Your on Tren'-E so you might consider stopping two weeks before your Test..

Start PCT two weeks after you finish your Test..

Wondered why are you not including Clomid with your Nolva..?

[severe]

In various cycles I have done and helper other ppl with I think it's much more beneficial doing this way and always suggest using dbol half way through cycle rather than as a front loader when the long esters are peaking.

I know we aren't talking about dbol but it's all used as a frontload to do the same thing

This. I found Dbol mid cycle was skin stretching. Really amazing, in fact.

If I only had one chance at increasing dosage, it would be mid cycle.

What is a few weeks of steady awesome, without the front loading, in the big scheme of things?

[sFlUuCtKs]

Your on Tren'-E so you might consider stopping two weeks before your Test..

Start PCT two weeks after you finish your Test..

Wondered why are you not including Clomid with your Nolva..?

yep i plan on stopping tren at least 2 weeks before i stop pinning the test, hence thinking of running the tren for 12 weeks.

i only have nolva and adex at the moment. do you think clomid is necessary for a cycle like this Daz?

was thinking of getting some anyway possibly, but if its pretty much a necessity i will definitely get it, as i will likely be going off for at least several months following this cycle.

interested to hear what PCT (drugs/doses/timing) would you guys would reccomend for this cycle...

and no i wont be chucking in dbol, but interesting point about using mid cycle, instead of at the start which from what ive read seems to be the norm for people on here

[tongandingo]

Keen to hear an answer on this from daz re: clomid as Im in then same boat as you bro with Nolva and Adex as pct only... Both obviously have much stronger AI and natty test recovering properties over clomid so what would be the use of it... Clomid near impossible to get in NZ aswell IMO unless its liquid which id be suspect of.

[Daz69]

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