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Terrymundo Senior member

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I am not even a week into my cycle of Test prop 70mg Ed and Tren Ace 50mg Ed and have noticed a painful pea sized lump pop up under my lift nipple. this cycle is on the back of a cruise of 250mg sust and a cycle of sust 750mg Ew and Deca 400mg EW + dbol kicker.

what course of actionshould i take? have Nolva on hand but can get any AI or SERM (will take a few days i'd imagine). Do i need to stop my cycle? can i run nolva whilst finishing my cycle. thanks for your help, im not happy right now thought i had been blessed with non-gyno prone genetics.

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have run tren before with no issues.

just got nolva at the moment. adex or caber will be a few days away. run nolva til then? Not sure if its prolactin, seem a too quick into my tren cycle to come up. But hey never had it before so could be. how do you tell?

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That's a bit early to be getting a lump.?

I wonder if your last 19-nor cycle might be responsible & you've sort of re-activated it...? (just a thought)..

I've always pinned Propionate & Trenbolone-A' EOD, don't know if it would make any difference in your case...

Don’t be afraid to lower your dose mid cycle. People have a tendency to panic at the first sign of gyno and drop everything. Generally, just lowering the dose of the afflicting steroid can offer gyno relief within 4-5 days.

Tren' being a 19-nor compound is a Progestin, & happens to stimulate the Progesterone receptor...... Anti-progesteronic drugs are advised with deca/tren like: Bromocriptine-Cabergoline..... ....!!!!!!.... BUT....!!!!!

19-nors, Nandrolone/Trenbolone work on different pathways than Test, so cause different Estrogen/Progesterone sides... You need raised Estrogen levels to have synergy with Progesterone to convert to Prolactin at the Pituitary. So you can use an AI Aromasin, or Femera on 19-nor cycles to knock this out.................

As you can see Estrogen seems to be the problem that causes Prolactin when combined with Progesterone... It seems logical to me to knock-out Estrogen.....

This is what I've got on effective gyno reversal &/or lump removal:

Femara (Letrozole) is a very powerful A.I (aromatase inhibitor) it shuts down the aromatase enzyme. It is this enzyme that is responsible for converting excess exogenous testosterone to estrogen. So taking letro tackles prevention and keeps estrogen levels in the blood at a low manageable level whereas taking nolvadex tackles the symptoms of excess estrogen once they have developed.

Taking the right amount of letro will eliminate the need to take nolvadex but the reverse is not true. Letro can also reverse existing gyno and get rid of lumps that have developed under the nipples from excess estrogen.

Doses of nolvadex are traditionally between 10-20mg/day and Femara doses are 0.25mg-5mg/day depending on what you are trying to achieve.

Both have a very important place in the management of estrogen related side effects. Taking both together can achieve near zero estrogenic activity which can be useful pre-comp.

The key to using Letro effectively in a PCT or Lump Removal is to use Nolva or a lesser AI like Arimidex after the letro cycle to avoid rebound which occurs when estrogen is inhibited over a period of time then the AI is discontinued & the Estro/Test ratio goes out of wack & estrogen rebounds back in stronger amounts until the axis stabilises.

This is some random shit I have on Gyno (specifically for 19-nors):

i) Caffeine consumption can inhibit clearance of estrogen from the liver by competing for the P-450 oxidase system. Avoid caffeine if you are concerned about high estrogen levels.

ii) Trenbolone, Nandrolone can cause gyno because they lack a potent 5a-reduced metabolite (dihydronandrolone is weaker than dihydrotestosterone). If you are worried about gyno from progestational steroids you should consider boosting your 5a-reduced metabolites during the cycle. This can avoid most if not all of the gyno problems associated with progestational hormones. I should mention here that aromatase inhibitors alone (AI’s) will not help prevent gyno from progestational compounds. It is the antagonistic action of 5a-reduced hormones that is required.

iii) Reducing prolactin will reduce the overall stimulation on mammary growth. Suppressing prolactin is useful as a temporary method to help slow or stop gyno growth. However, continuing anti-prolactin treatment is not recommended to be continued beyond 8 weeks. Methods of suppressing prolactin include -

• Vitex at 460mg/day

• Vitamin B6 at 200-400mg/day

• Mucuna Pruriens (15%-20% L-Dopa) 4-6g/day (not advised)....

• Increasing DHT may also lower prolactin release

iv) Don’t fiddle with your nipples. This increases prolactin release which can make gyno worse.

v) Body fat (adipose tissue) is the main site for androgens to convert to estrogens. Therefore, being overweight or having high body fat increases your gyno risk. This is another good reason to go on a cutting cycle if you are gyno prone. Reducing body fat will lower your rate of estrogen conversion from aromatizing steroids.

vi) Increasing fiber intake (both soluble and insoluble) can enhance clearance of estrogens from the intestines. Research shows that increasing fiber intake in humans can reduce estrogen levels by up to 22%.

vii) Save SERM’s as your last resort against gyno. You do not need a SERM (tormifene, clomid or nolva) to avoid gyno from a properly planned cycle. If you are still having gyno problems after following the above points, consider the fact that you have a poorly planned cycle and you need to revaluate the compounds you have chosen.

The above is random shite I had on my computer, I would welcome comments from musclenz or Hone, before choosing your next course of action........

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Caffeine consumption can inhibit clearance of estrogen from the liver by competing for the P-450 oxidase system. Avoid caffeine if you are concerned about high estrogen levels.

Increasing fiber intake (both soluble and insoluble) can enhance clearance of estrogens from the intestines. Research shows that increasing fiber intake in humans can reduce estrogen levels by up to 22%

did not know this, thanks Daz

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Caffeine consumption can inhibit clearance of estrogen from the liver by competing for the P-450 oxidase system. Avoid caffeine if you are concerned about high estrogen levels.

Increasing fiber intake (both soluble and insoluble) can enhance clearance of estrogens from the intestines. Research shows that increasing fiber intake in humans can reduce estrogen levels by up to 22%

did not know this, thanks Daz

lol me too.

[puts down coffee]

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Caffeine consumption can inhibit clearance of estrogen from the liver by competing for the P-450 oxidase system. Avoid caffeine if you are concerned about high estrogen levels.

Increasing fiber intake (both soluble and insoluble) can enhance clearance of estrogens from the intestines. Research shows that increasing fiber intake in humans can reduce estrogen levels by up to 22%

did not know this, thanks Daz

lol me too.

[puts down coffee]

(buys 1kg of prunes)

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says the guy that had a shot of sus for the sake of it bcuz he was present when his mates wer pinnin... tsk tsk tsk..

peer pressure? lol

na brah, they just two rivals looking for the dragon balls

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*forgive the gif mods, I'm finding it hard to transition*

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says the guy that had a shot of sus for the sake of it bcuz he was present when his mates wer pinnin... tsk tsk tsk..

peer pressure? lol

na brah, they just two rivals looking for the dragon balls

Lol'd..

peer pressure wasnt present, it was just one shot to 'feel what its like' shutdown? not possible with just one shot apprntly lol yet gyno advice is given b aware brahz.

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peer pressure? lol

na brah, they just two rivals looking for the dragon balls

Lol'd..

peer pressure wasnt present, it was just one shot to 'feel what its like' shutdown? not possible with just one shot apprntly lol yet gyno advice is given b aware brahz.

That's a good question actually, can one shot of say 2ml shut you down?

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na brah, they just two rivals looking for the dragon balls

Lol'd..

peer pressure wasnt present, it was just one shot to 'feel what its like' shutdown? not possible with just one shot apprntly lol yet gyno advice is given b aware brahz.

That's a good question actually, can one shot of say 2ml shut you down?

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na brah, they just two rivals looking for the dragon balls

Lol'd..

peer pressure wasnt present, it was just one shot to 'feel what its like' shutdown? not possible with just one shot apprntly lol yet gyno advice is given b aware brahz.

That's a good question actually, can one shot of say 2ml shut you down?

lol...yes. u cnt b srs

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was srs, I don't know anything about shutdown relating to the one of uses, would recovery be as long as if you had done a cycle with that same ester?

Time for me to ask the oracle (google)

I've not read about full shut-down from single shot Testosterone only partial down-regulation.. I think where you hear of full shut-down from a single 100mg dose is when discussing 19-nors, like Nandrolone, Trenbolone...

http://www.steroid.com/Deca-Durabolin.php

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