Planning 2nd Cycle

[mrbiceps]

What's up guys, I'm planning my 2nd cycle and wanted to get some suggestions from some of you who are more experienced than I am. I finished my first cycle back toward the beginning of this year and have been and have been o'natural since then lol.

First cycle was:

10 weeks

Test-E 2x250mg p/w

Deca 1x200mg p/w ( stopped after week 8 )

Pct - Nolvadex 20mg/day for 3 weeks

Went from 90kg to 99kg in this time, and weight remained 98-99kg until well after pct, but as I have been off-cycle for about 5 months weight has dropped (though diet and training have been consistent) and is steady at about 94-95 right now.

Stats right now are:

19y/o

Height: 6'1"

Weight: 94kg

Max lifts (right now) are:

Bench: 125kg

Squat: 150kg

Deadlift: 180kg

I am undecided about exactly what to run for this 2nd cycle. I have been given some suggestions by others with knowledge of gear but was curious to hear some other opinions. One cycle suggested to me was 10 weeks of 100mg cyp e.o.d & 500mg sus once per week + dbol for first 5 weeks (40mg on training days, 20mg on non-training days). Though I'm sure I would make some good gains with a cycle like this, I am thinking this may be an excessive cycle considering my history and stats. Do you think this 2nd cycle needs to be or should be much different to my first, considering my success with that? Look forward to hearing what you guys think... Thanks

[musclenz]

What's up guys, I'm planning my 2nd cycle and wanted to get some suggestions from some of you who are more experienced than I am. I finished my first cycle back toward the beginning of this year and have been and have been o'natural since then lol.

First cycle was:

10 weeks

Test-E 2x250mg p/w

Deca 1x200mg p/w ( stopped after week 8 )

Pct - Nolvadex 20mg/day for 3 weeks

Went from 90kg to 99kg in this time, and weight remained 98-99kg until well after pct, but as I have been off-cycle for about 5 months weight has dropped (though diet and training have been consistent) and is steady at about 94-95 right now.

Stats right now are:

19y/o

Height: 6'1"

Weight: 94kg

Max lifts (right now) are:

Bench: 125kg

Squat: 150kg

Deadlift: 180kg

I am undecided about exactly what to run for this 2nd cycle. I have been given some suggestions by others with knowledge of gear but was curious to hear some other opinions. One cycle suggested to me was 10 weeks of 100mg cyp e.o.d & 500mg sus once per week + dbol for first 5 weeks (40mg on training days, 20mg on non-training days). Though I'm sure I would make some good gains with a cycle like this, I am thinking this may be an excessive cycle considering my history and stats. Do you think this 2nd cycle needs to be or should be much different to my first, considering my success with that? Look forward to hearing what you guys think... Thanks

I think that should be 100mg Test Propionate EOD & 500mg Sust PW

[mrbiceps]

Thanks for the reply musclenz, did some reading following your post and see why cyp would not typically be injected e.o.d in the way I described. For some reason I was thinking of cyp as having a similar active life to prop, a lack of knowledge on my part. Other than that issue i.e. assuming cyp is subsituted for prop, what do you think of this as a second cycle?

[Daz69]

. One cycle suggested to me was 10 weeks of 100mg cyp e.o.d & 500mg sus once per week + dbol for first 5 weeks (40mg on training days, 20mg on non-training days).

I don't know who has suggested this cycle, but its complete bollocks..!!!

The half life of Cypionate is about 6 days so ideally you'd be best pinning Cyp' once every 6th day or half the amount every 3rd day....

If you want to pin E.O.D use Propionate...

I think you're a bit young at 19 to be fucking about with your hormones...

[tomsammce]

that was a big first cycle,

second cycle looks shit too, test is test... your already gonna use 500mg of test per week then you want to inject more test eod (prop or cypionate whatever it is same same).. that makes no sense to me

just use the 500mg sus per week divided into 2x 1ml shots for your second cycle. do that train hard and eat well.

[severe]

and deca is usually dosed at 200mg/ml. You may as well use it all and go 1ml a week for 10 weeks, instead of 8. You may not have a true ml at week 10 due to human error when drawing (sometimes more is drawn 8) ) but you know what I mean...

[mrbiceps]

I don't know who has suggested this cycle, but its complete bollocks..!!!

The half life of Cypionate is about 6 days so ideally you'd be best pinning Cyp' once every 6th day or half the amount every 3rd day....

If you want to pin E.O.D use Propionate...

I think you're a bit young at 19 to be fucking about with your hormones...

Thanks for the reply Daz, I won't be injecting cyp e.o.d. As for my age, I can see where you're coming from but I did not take the decision lightly to start using. I don't believe my age and stats alone give enough insight as to whether or not I should be using gear. Despite my confusion re: cyp/prop I assure you that I am no idiot, and I have made my decision carefully about using aas.

that was a big first cycle,

second cycle looks shit too, test is test... your already gonna use 500mg of test per week then you want to inject more test eod (prop or cypionate whatever it is same same).. that makes no sense to me

just use the 500mg sus per week divided into 2x 1ml shots for your second cycle. do that train hard and eat well.

Thanks for the input. The cycle I mentioned was just one that I had suggested to me but did not have immediate plans of carrying out. I have held off from doing another cycle so that I can learn more and make a good decision next time around as I know that I am no wealth of knowledge right now :oops: . For now, please excuse my ignorance...

I always train hard and eat well and am not trying to subsitute those things with gear.

and deca is usually dosed at 200mg/ml. You may as well use it all and go 1ml a week for 10 weeks, instead of 8. You may not have a true ml at week 10 due to human error when drawing (sometimes more is drawn 8) ) but you know what I mean...

Yes the deca was dosed at 200mg/ml but it was my understanding that deca should be stopped before test as deca suppresses natural testosterone production... This was the reason that I cut it after 8 weeks.

[Daz69]

I don't know who has suggested this cycle, but its complete bollocks..!!!

The half life of Cypionate is about 6 days so ideally you'd be best pinning Cyp' once every 6th day or half the amount every 3rd day....

If you want to pin E.O.D use Propionate...

I think you're a bit young at 19 to be fucking about with your hormones...

Thanks for the reply Daz, I won't be injecting cyp e.o.d. As for my age, I can see where you're coming from but I did not take the decision lightly to start using. I don't believe my age and stats alone give enough insight as to whether or not I should be using gear. Despite my confusion re: cyp/prop I assure you that I am no idiot, and I have made my decision carefully about using aas.

I don't fully understand how your body regulates homoeostasis or at what age things like your negative feedback loop get set for life (if indeed it does)

By injecting Testosterone you aren't just effecting natural testosterone levels. Estrogen, Progesterone, and Glucocorticoids are also effected and thrown out of whack.. Neurotransmitters play a part somewhere too, so who knows what up/down-regulation or imbalances you may be causing?

Whether homoeostasis is an ongoing thing or it is pre-set at/after puberty I don't know.... (maybe someone like Riccado Hone,or musclenz might be better informed)

I just think 19 is a bit young to be interfering with your hormones....

My 2c.....

Oh.. And I hate fat people....

[mrbiceps]

Again, thank you for your input Daz, but I don't really want to get into an argument about whether I should or should not be interfering with my hormones... And I'm not quite sure why you're telling me you hate fate people, are you guessing my body fat percentage is high or is that an in joke or something?

[tomsammce]

I started at 19 years old.... I even know this guy who started at 15 lol truestory.

[musclenz]

M8 believe it or not, all the people above have had a lot of experience with using AAS & we are here to help you. OK you have taken an early decision to use gear rightfully or wrongfully, you are on the way. What I believe we are saying is its very important to have knowledge of what you are doing. There is a growing trend that we see on this board for younger men to be getting into gear because they see it as the easy way to get a ripped hard muscular body but believe me it is much much more complex than jabbing a hormone into your arse twice a week. However, as much as you have been criticized for your apparent lack of knowledge on your next cycle, please continue to seek advise & understanding on here. This is a place where guys (& some gals) have been using this stuff for many years & personal experience is far more valuable than some aesthetic gym jock wacking off about things they often have very little experience with. It is potentially dangerous & can have far reaching long term consequences.

[Daz69]

Again, thank you for your input Daz, but I don't really want to get into an argument about whether I should or should not be interfering with my hormones... And I'm not quite sure why you're telling me you hate fate people, are you guessing my body fat percentage is high or is that an in joke or something?

Its an open forum mate, my answer wasn't specifically directed at you personally. But this forum is concerned with information regarding steroid use and part of that would include harm reduction, therefore I think the subject of your age is relevant and should be mentioned...

I have briefly touched on research papers discussing homoeostasis, HPTA and in particular neurotransmitter up and down regulation through a complex web of inhibitory feedback mechanisms. It seems to me that everything is interlinked so when you interfere with one set of hormones you open up a whole can of worms which we probably don't fully understand yet....

As I stated previously I would be interested in the views of Riccado, Hone, musclenz on whether interfering with your hormones at an early age would effect the bodys homeostatic balance for the future or whether it is continually self regulating..?

There is an above post on fatties titled "Fat Hate".....

[Daz69]

I started at 19 years old.... I even know this guy who started at 15 lol truestory.

Look what an angry pit-bull it made you Tom.... :grin:

[mrbiceps]

As I have said, I appreciate the input. By defending my decision to use, I am not attempting to discredit the opinions or experience of those who have posted. I would like to clarify that I am not under the impression that gear is some sort of "quick-fix", and I would like to mention that my motivation to use gear goes beyond some desire to put on a bit of muscle and getting lean for the summer... I appreciate that there are long-term risks, and by no means believe that this is a simple topic. Thanks again

[Chemo]

Monstor first cycle!!

I'm no expert on deca but it is quite suppressive from what I've been told.

Perhaps EQ would be better.

Your young man no need for a cycle that big. You need room to progress and time to learn. Bring it back somewhat and try again with something simple.

The guys here have extremely valuable knowledge for the younger generation getting into gear. Hear out what they have to say

[severe]

Keep a log. Even an online one, or a word doc. Exercise, diet, aas, blood tests... invaluable as you go through the years.

I wish I had gone down the road earlier. Dose responsibly, eat well, and train sensibly and you will be in control of what ever may come. good or bad.

chur

[mrbiceps]

I have taken some time to reflect on the comments here, as well as having done a lot of reading over the past few days. Definitely was getting carried away with the gear and will take a step back before moving forward with anything else.

My eagerness to get bigger blinded me somewhat and I have been taking an overly simplistic approach to aas. I will continue to research the topic before starting another cycle and will definitely not be running anything as dramatic as what my first post suggested. I naively relied on the advice of others in this topic, which resulted in what I know see was an excessive first cycle...

I will definitely keep a log from now, as this is something I have considered before but never given enough attention. I will take time to consider what others have to say here, and appreciate all of the advice so far.

Thanks