FDA- Update on the demise of supplements

[musclenz]

Essential viewing. If this allowed to occur in the US, it will definitely be taken up in Australia & New Zealand & will signal the final demise of supplements, vitamins & essential minerals as we know it. Surely this is Terrorism from the inside & a course of action that cannot be tolerated or condoned by any rational person.

[AgentOrange]

this concerns me greatly. wtf is going in the halls of power.

It's time for the 99% to revolt against these greedy corporates influencing governments. Don;t even get me started on monsanto and their filthy tactics.

[FellowshipOfTheRon]

[dannyjay]

[Kalidane]

this concerns me greatly. wtf is going in the halls of power.

It's time for the 99% to revolt against these greedy corporates influencing governments. Don;t even get me started on monsanto and their filthy tactics.

What's going on? The present system is being perpetuated. A lot like last week and last year. ???

The game is the game dude and the rules are not changing any time soon. This isn't Libya.

[Chemo]

Illuminati yo! Control the food and control the peoples!

Can't fool me yo, reppen my tinfoil hat all day erry day.

Can't be good when they are gonna be rid of OTC supps.

[severe]

All they want is for everyone to not be stronger and faster. Hence MacDonald's is ok food to push, yet healthy lifestyles are restricted.

The health system won't make money from healthy people, so of course it will be crushed. Food is made for greed, not need, and the health system is a drug pushing scam, not a holistic understanding of illness and preventions.

After watching Food Inc and others of a similar nature, I am against FDA 'approval' on anything, as it usually involves insider backscratching and vested interests of money makers. Many of the decision makers in teh FDA are from backgrounds involving teh products they endorse. Not conspiracy, but a reality.

I bet if a supplement was corn based, it would be approved, as corn is the king of profit. Not plain maize, but the byproducts from it. It is found in almost everything now... http://www.gsmcweb.com/?p=11

and the sad thing is that eventually we will follow the USA, as if they were the moral and ethical leaders on lifestyle and sanity :roll:

It is unfortunate that the loudest voices get seen as the ones to follow :evil:

[musclenz]

The War on Health is real. It is happening through uncontrolled regulatory forces that seek to control out destiny by preverted power & self gain. It will filter through into NZ. The FDA have powers to influence opinion & government policy abroad....refer to their involvement in the Clenbuterol in pork saga in China which has now resulted in Clen being classified as an illegal compound in China & the penalty for supply can now be a death sentence.

[Chemo]

Ozzys TGA already has some pretty restrictive and quite frankly bullshit limitations under the food and safety guidelines.

3g of creatine per serve max. pretty much no vit B12, only a clued up fitness enthusiasts would know to up the dosage, but the normal health food buyer would be clueless and the companies would not be allowed to inform them of the benefits of higher doses :C

Gotta pay a pretty penny to get past that, and even then...its not that far.

[Matrix]

Removing/limiting access to Legitimate supplements with proven benefits and no/very few ill side effects if taken in the correct doses by otherwise healthy individuals such as those supplements taken by hard training guys/girls for sports,bbuilding or any other physical pusuit is just hurting people who arent generally dominating the heart/diabetes wards.

These pursuits and responsible supplementation to aid in these pursuits should be encouraged not stiffled.

Many Doctors and Pharmacuital companies regularly dish out far more dangerous products that are easier to abuse.

[Chemo]

Removing/limiting access to Legitimate supplements with proven benefits and no/very few ill side effects if taken in the correct doses by otherwise healthy individuals such as those supplements taken by hard training guys/girls for sports,bbuilding or any other physical pusuit is just hurting people who arent generally dominating the heart/diabetes wards.

These pursuits and responsible supplementation to aid in these pursuits should be encouraged not stiffled.

Many Doctors and Pharmacuital companies regularly dish out far more dangerous products that are easier to abuse.

Yeah man, and they dish them out to people that don't need it and will trust their doctors.

I recently convinced my father to get of his statin drugs, he started to forget things, and was very clear he was loosing energy. The guy walks for an hour everyday and has f*ck all health risks, his cholesterol and triglycerides get a little high and they give him statins no question.

From what I've been told they weren't to concerned with his diet, they asked him to lower his fats, and keep up the fitness, and take this drug.

And I know dear old pops smashes the late night toast and jam, so thats gonna effect the triglyceride levels. That's all changed now and he's feeling great and cholesterols all under control, with the precaution of aspirin still.

Overall a much better result then just knocking back a pharma drug!

They play on peoples fears yo

[Matrix]

Unfortunately their is more money in treating chronic illness brought on by inactivity/poor life style over many years than their is in preventing these illnesses by encouraging activity, healthy eating and allowing responsible food supplementation.

Quite a cynical world we live in sometimes. I think time and the lure of massive and ongoing profits from keeping people medicated has bastardized the original ideology of pharmacuitcal companies whos original intent was to do good. Guess this is what happens when the bean counters take over from the scientists sometimes.

[musclenz]

Unfortunately their is more money in treating chronic illness brought on by inactivity/poor life style over many years than their is in preventing these illnesses by encouraging activity, healthy eating and allowing responsible food supplementation.

Quite a cynical world we live in sometimes. I think time and the lure of massive and ongoing profits from keeping people medicated has bastardized the original ideology of pharmacuitcal companies whos original intent was to do good. Guess this is what happens when the bean counters take over from the scientists sometimes.

Big Pharma certainly don't want to that make you well. They thrive off acute & prolonged disease. It has been said that there is a plant or plant extract somewhere in the world that will cure every known disease to man. Well they sure don't want that getting out.

While there is complacency, there will be corruption & misuse of power.

[severe]

Our doctors don't know their a-holes from a hole in the ground when it comes to holistic health.

and there are other possible concerns for our future:

Worth a watch.

When I started watching it, I thought that being in NZ gave us a degree of protection... but we aren't as clean green as we thought:

http://www.niwa.co.nz/news/oecd-report-on-nz-water%E2%80%93-not-as-clean-as-you%E2%80%99d-like

http://www.terranature.org/riversStreams.htm

[Flex]

The Definition Of Irony: Gary Null owns Gary Null & Associates, a company that markets dietary supplements, as well as a health-food store in New York City.

http://www.loweringthebar.net/2010/05/g ... -null.html

In a lawsuit filed in New York on April 26 2010, Gary Null alleges that he became severely ill after eating a dietary supplement that caused him to develop a number of painful symptoms. In fact, Gary Null alleges, "Gary Null's Ultimate Power Meal" almost killed Gary Null.

He claims a contractor that mixes the powdered supplement for him did not follow the right recipe. Still, although the product itself may not be deadly, the fact that a batch of it almost killed its inventor does not speak volumes for Gary Null's ultimate quality control.

Or for his alternative-medicine ideas. Apparently, he did not go to an actual medical doctor for as long as a month after he began to have symptoms (it's not clear how long he had been eating the stuff). These symptoms included "excruciating fatigue along with bodily pain" -- which I think should really be "excruciating pain and bodily fatigue," but I'll let that slide; he's been through a lot -- as well as cracked and bleeding feet. "[Gary] Null had to be in bed with his feet elevated," the complaint alleges, "because it was so painful he did not have the strength to walk," but rather than try to get to a doctor he kept eating Gary Null's Ultimate Power Meal, evidently thinking that it would cure him. It did not.

When he finally did seek professional help, he learned that his batch of Gary Null's Ultimate Power Meal contained way more Vitamin D than it was supposed to, and so did Gary Null. Instead of taking 2,000 IU of Vitamin D per day (the recommended upper limit), he had been wolfing down about two million.

The Los Angeles Times wrote that Null's experience "should give pause to anyone lured by the extravagant claims of many supplements makers", and noted that it was common for dietary supplements to contain doses "wildly different than those indicated on their label" as a result of weak regulation.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster ... oduct.html

[musclenz]

^^^^I guess that wrong dosing does not happen in the Pharmaceutical Industry :roll: