Post cycle, recovery & blood test

[Addsomemass]

So basically I did a cycle t400 & deca .5ml of each every Monday & thursday for ten weeks. ( I did 1 extra week of just t400)

This is the first and last time using deca lol

So far its been 6 weeks since last shot and definately noticing I've started feeling a little lathargic and my sex drive has taken a beating.

Im guessing it's the deca but I'm just not feeling like sex as much I don't know if it's in my head because of being so pumped up n hormones raging before but at this point I'm only having sex with my girl like twice a week and even then she's the one initiating it i still have a sex drive at this point but it's definately not as usual. I've done a previous cycle a year back of just sus 250 and had none of these problems

Ok so my pct was nolva which I started 2 weeks from last shot of t400 (3 weeks after deca)

20mg Ed for 3 weeks

Also I've been taking creatine mono everyday since last shot

And taking tbomb 2 everyday since last shot (natural test booster)

My question is what's your experience with deca post cycle have i done a shit pct lol and also I'm wanting to get blood work done which I'm guessing I shouldn't bother doing for another 6 or 7 weeks ?? I've never had blood test after a cycle what are the things that I should be looking at?

Any help appreciated

[musclenz]

Looks like you have done everything ok. Deca is very residual in the blood system so it takes a while to recover from a cycle using it in some instances. Some guys are more susectable to its side effects than others.

The thing is though, that Nolva is not the best option to use after a Deca cycle. There is no real scientific proof but a lot of experienced users suggest using Clomid or Hcg to restart LH after using Nandrolone & to avoid rebound which you may well be experiencing. If you could get enough clomid for say 10 days @ 50mg ed you could give that a go. Also you need to make sure you have enough zinc in your diet & a ZMA supp is highly recommended.

For those looking at PCT after a Test/Deca cycle its worth throwing in clomid for a week to 10 days straight after your last shot & before you start Nolva or an AI. This is sort of tied up with why people often say to cut your deca off a couple of weeks before the end of the cycle.

Bloods should be Total Test, Free Test or FAI, SHBG, LH, Oestradiol & Proviron

[dannyjay]

I would take clomid but can't find any in nz :evil:

[Addsomemass]

Thanks guys yea I'll definately try get ahold of some clomid but sounds unlikely other wise I'll try get my zinc up and will ride it out a bit, recoverys been real good up until this last week my moods have been good I held onto almost all gains and still can lift just as heavy its only this week i started shedding a couple pounds and feeling like crap hopefully doesn't last to long but I've heard some real bad story's of recovery with deca taking ppl a really long time I diddnt use much so hopefully I'm not affected to that degree I have another cycle planned in around 7 weeks so hopefully will be good by then \:D/

[Daz69]

I would take clomid but can't find any in nz :evil:

Contact the New Zealand Police, I believe they now have significant stocks..

[train_insane]

In my experiance clomid is a must in ones pct and to kick start your natural test production. I fucked my first cycle up by not taking anything for pct and lost 12kg in 6 weeks, Im assuming thats how long it took for my naturals to restart. Now after 2 successful cycles with clomid as my pct i restart between 2 and 3 weeks each time. Another indicator for myself is regrowth of my nuts

I also have a mate right now who hasnt taking anything for pct and hes been of for 7 weeks and still loosing weight, which to my knowledge is he hasnt restarted yet

Clomid

[gonzo6183]

I would say you PCT was not enough, in fact I would say it was a fair way off.

You should have been running caber or prami on cycle as well as HCG/Ovidrel through out, as mentioned above nandrolone can hit you pretty hard and taking several months to recover is not uncommon at all. A PCT like this: Nolva 40/40/20/20 Clomid 100/100/50/50 would have been your best option

but... As it has been done that wont help you much right now.

Nolva is great at controling estrogen levels and related side effects while clomid is what you need to assist with the restart of your natural production. On their own each may rate a 3/10 yet combined they will total 12/10 (purely random numbers for an example of the synergy of the two compounds when used in conjuction)

I would suggest getting your blood work done (has it been done pre cycle so you have a base levels?)

Make sure you include prolactalin and estrogen in thise tests as either of those being on the high end (from deca or test) may be the cause the libido issues you are experiencing.

Come back with your bloodwork asap and ill see if I can help, you may need to run a full or partial PCT as mentioned above, you may need caber to lower your prolactalin or you may need HCG/OVidrel (do you have testicular astrophy?) or a combination of any or all of the above.

Let us know how you go

Gonzo

[Addsomemass]

Thanks bro as far as I can tell my testes still look as full as they were before but then again I can't tell for sure if they have shrunk it must be minor.. I diddnt get bloodwork done before cycle should have thinking of it now all I know is before the cycle my Libeto was through the roof now I feel like a old man lol still get aroused from my gf but hardly as much as before.. And ive noticed I feel low on energy a lot easier but coffees and energy drinks help, I'll try and get some caber etc for the deca all I can say is I'm not using deca again that shit really hits u hard after the cycle but I'll try and get blood done this weeknd if I can and I'll post it up.. It sucks koz I still have one deca vial left :x

[musclenz]

I would say you PCT was not enough, in fact I would say it was a fair way off.

You should have been running caber or prami on cycle as well as HCG/Ovidrel through out, as mentioned above nandrolone can hit you pretty hard and taking several months to recover is not uncommon at all. A PCT like this: Nolva 40/40/20/20 Clomid 100/100/50/50 would have been your best option

but... As it has been done that wont help you much right now.

M8 this guy was only doing 1ml Deca (250mg) PW. What you are suggesting here is total overkill, unnecessary & Hcg & Caber/prami is very difficult to get & expensive in NZ. If you are coming to NZ from Aust, as mentioned in your avatar, then you have got a lot to learn about how us Kiwi's operate. Before you jump into every post I would suggest that firstly you read the whole thread & secondly you only post up relevant information pertaining to that thread preferably based on your own experience & knowledge.

[gonzo6183]

I would say you PCT was not enough, in fact I would say it was a fair way off.

You should have been running caber or prami on cycle as well as HCG/Ovidrel through out, as mentioned above nandrolone can hit you pretty hard and taking several months to recover is not uncommon at all. A PCT like this: Nolva 40/40/20/20 Clomid 100/100/50/50 would have been your best option

but... As it has been done that wont help you much right now.

M8 this guy was only doing 1ml Deca (250mg) PW. What you are suggesting here is total overkill, unnecessary & Hcg & Caber/prami is very difficult to get & expensive in NZ. If you are coming to NZ from Aust, as mentioned in your avatar, then you have got a lot to learn about how us Kiwi's operate. Before you jump into every post I would suggest that firstly you read the whole thread & secondly you only post up relevant information pertaining to that thread preferably based on your own experience & knowledge.

That is EXACTLY what I have done... And your post was not suffient in offering a solution to his problem or solid advice for other members in regards to their PCT as well as on cycle prolactin control and testical stimulation.

Please explain why you do not believe he should have been running caber and

HCG throughout?

Caber: 250mg p/w of deca is plenty high enough to shoot prolactin levels through the roof and cause libido issues, as you probably know one single 100mg shot of Nandrolone can shut down your natural test and thats not all it does. Taking 0.5mg 2 x weekly will drop your prolactin levels in to the low end of the range and can do wonders for libido and hardness, as well as multiple orgasms for some (myself included) Caber has done wonders for ME and it is always a good idea to take while using 19 nor compounds and during PCT and past if needed. Thats from my personal experience and knowledge...

HCG/Ovidrel: Aftre you run a cycle what is THE SINGLE most important thing? RECOVERY... HCG or Ovidrel will continue to stimulate the testes thoughout cycle, preventing astrophy therefor making recovery much easier for the user. As many guys here know multiple cycles and or long term use can lead to very severe issues and all precautions should be taking to prevent as much damage as possible. Our overall health and wellbeing is of upmost importance right.

Also why should he have not done a full PCT as mentioned above?

I actually seriously hope you wouldnt suggest guys run anything half arsed...

Again thats from my knowledge and experience in relation to this thread and all of the posts. I have posted this information for the OP so he has a number of opinions and in the end can make an educated decision on what he should do.

I would still strongly suggest that you get your bloods done, this may be helpful to assist in locating the exact issue.

Gonzo

[gonzo6183]

That and high E MAY still be of concern but as mentioned that will come out with bloodwork

[Daz69]

You should have been running caber or prami on cycle as well as HCG/Ovidrel through out ...

I'm not so sure recommending a Dopamine and Serotonin agonist/re-uptake inhibitor in this case is the way forward...

Looking at the cycle, Test 400 + Deca were used @ 0.5ml X 2/week..

Which should equate to 400mg Test + 250mg Deca/week, if my assumption is correct..... (I'm guessing on the mg/ml).... Sorry if I'm wrong...

His only complaint is of lethargy, lack of sex drive & feeling generally shite..

Nowhere does he mention Prolactin issues...

Considering the relatively small amount of Deca (sorry Harry) I wouldn't think 250mg/week would give him Prolactin issues anyway...

Deca is renowned for shutting down natural test at small doses, the Test at only 400mg/week doesn't seem that high to cause Estrogen issues...

Considering this you might conclude that a correct PCT protocol has not being implemented.......

I would agree with musclenz regards adding Clomid if you can find it (again the New Zealand Police have recently acquired considerable stocks) A friendly call to your local constabulary might be worth a try... :pfft:

Nolvadex is not advised immediately upon ceasing Deca, I have always stopped Deca 2 weeks before Test, then commenced PCT 2 weeks after my last shot of Test.....

I have never had issues with Test + Deca at a slightly higher dose than you and I cycled on and off for 12 years, and I'm back on again... But that was me..!!! You may be unlucky....

Regards the original comment of including Prami/Caber/HCG..... I would think the minimum amount of a compound for the required effects should be employed. Including ancillarys when not needed, is both an expensive waste and potentially harmful...

When using Nandrolones I believe they don't convert to Estrogen but do convert to Progesterone. Progesterone can raise levels of Prolactin but not without the presence of Estrogen..... I might conclude a better way to address Prolactin issues might be to lower Estrogen... (If it was an issue, but I don't believe it is in this case).... Test seems relatively low to be aromatising into Estrogen anyway.....

My 2c.............

[gonzo6183]

You should have been running caber or prami on cycle as well as HCG/Ovidrel through out ...

I'm not so sure recommending a Dopamine and Serotonin agonist/re-uptake inhibitor in this case is the way forward...

Looking at the cycle, Test 400 + Deca were used @ 0.5ml X 2/week..

Which should equate to 400mg Test + 250mg Deca/week, if my assumption is correct..... (I'm guessing on the mg/ml).... Sorry if I'm wrong...

His only complaint is of lethargy, lack of sex drive & feeling generally shite..

Nowhere does he mention Prolactin issues...

Considering the relatively small amount of Deca (sorry Harry) I wouldn't think 250mg/week would give him Prolactin issues anyway...

Deca is renowned for shutting down natural test at small doses, the Test at only 400mg/week doesn't seem that high to cause Estrogen issues...

Considering this you might conclude that a correct PCT protocol has not being implemented.......

I would agree with musclenz regards adding Clomid if you can find it (again the New Zealand Police have recently acquired considerable stocks) A friendly call to your local constabulary might be worth a try... :pfft:

Nolvadex is not advised immediately upon ceasing Deca, I have always stopped Deca 2 weeks before Test, then commenced PCT 2 weeks after my last shot of Test.....

I have never had issues with Test + Deca at a slightly higher dose than you and I cycled on and off for 12 years, and I'm back on again... But that was me..!!! You may be unlucky....

Regards the original comment of including Prami/Caber/HCG..... I would think the minimum amount of a compound for the required effects should be employed. Including ancillarys when not needed, is both an expensive waste and potentially harmful...

When using Nandrolones I believe they don't convert to Estrogen but do convert to Progesterone. Progesterone can raise levels of Prolactin but not without the presence of Estrogen..... I might conclude a better way to address Prolactin issues might be to lower Estrogen... (If it was an issue, but I don't believe it is in this case).... Test seems relatively low to be aromatising into Estrogen anyway.....

My 2c.............

Respect and agree with your opinion on this daz...

As I mentioned I think the best thing to do is the bloodwork to get more of an idea of what is going on and what may be required.

Only thing I cant agree with is the non use of ancillarys, mainly being the HCG. The postive effects far out weight the negative and it should always be used if available IMO. As for the use of caber, no it may not be required blood work on cycle would have shown if it was but then again I LOVE the sexual abilities I get from caber and find it personally as the key to getting through PCT

[musclenz]

You should have been running caber or prami on cycle as well as HCG/Ovidrel through out ...

I'm not so sure recommending a Dopamine and Serotonin agonist/re-uptake inhibitor in this case is the way forward...

Looking at the cycle, Test 400 + Deca were used @ 0.5ml X 2/week..

Which should equate to 400mg Test + 250mg Deca/week, if my assumption is correct..... (I'm guessing on the mg/ml).... Sorry if I'm wrong...

His only complaint is of lethargy, lack of sex drive & feeling generally shite..

Nowhere does he mention Prolactin issues...

Considering the relatively small amount of Deca (sorry Harry) I wouldn't think 250mg/week would give him Prolactin issues anyway...

Deca is renowned for shutting down natural test at small doses, the Test at only 400mg/week doesn't seem that high to cause Estrogen issues...

Considering this you might conclude that a correct PCT protocol has not being implemented.......

I would agree with musclenz regards adding Clomid if you can find it (again the New Zealand Police have recently acquired considerable stocks) A friendly call to your local constabulary might be worth a try... :pfft:

Nolvadex is not advised immediately upon ceasing Deca, I have always stopped Deca 2 weeks before Test, then commenced PCT 2 weeks after my last shot of Test.....

I have never had issues with Test + Deca at a slightly higher dose than you and I cycled on and off for 12 years, and I'm back on again... But that was me..!!! You may be unlucky....

Regards the original comment of including Prami/Caber/HCG..... I would think the minimum amount of a compound for the required effects should be employed. Including ancillarys when not needed, is both an expensive waste and potentially harmful...

When using Nandrolones I believe they don't convert to Estrogen but do convert to Progesterone. Progesterone can raise levels of Prolactin but not without the presence of Estrogen..... I might conclude a better way to address Prolactin issues might be to lower Estrogen... (If it was an issue, but I don't believe it is in this case).... Test seems relatively low to be aromatising into Estrogen anyway.....

My 2c.............

Respect and agree with your opinion on this daz...

As I mentioned I think the best thing to do is the bloodwork to get more of an idea of what is going on and what may be required.

Only thing I cant agree with is the non use of ancillarys, mainly being the HCG. The postive effects far out weight the negative and it should always be used if available IMO. As for the use of caber, no it may not be required blood work on cycle would have shown if it was but then again I LOVE the sexual abilities I get from caber and find it personally as the key to getting through PCT

Gonzo, I can see that you know a few things by your recommendation but as Daz has so well put it, basically you are trying to kill an ant with a sledgehammer. He is only got mild side effects of using Nandrolone which can be helped by a small course of clomid to get LH restart. You will find out a lot about how much a cycle costs in NZ if you want to use Hcg & other ancillaries as a preventative method or for their "sexual abilities".

I'm not going to reply to your post above on my comments to you. I do not need to justify my existance on this board, where as you do. So take time to feel your way into our community before you start shouting off your mouth & looking like a smart arsed twat.

[Addsomemass]

Thanks guys it's honestly allot of help to hear all the suggestions and from the sounds of it I shouldn't be to worried at this stage but clomid would definately be worth a shot, I'm only 6 weeks post cycle now so hopefully will be back to normal sooner than later, feeling slightly better today energywise so thats a good sign will keep ya posted on bloodwork etc I guess I shouldve done a little more research on deca pct hopefully will be alright :pray: lol

[HarryB]

I didn't even understand it. Thanks Daz! :shock:

[gonzo6183]

Gonzo, I can see that you know a few things by your recommendation but as Daz has so well put it, basically you are trying to kill an ant with a sledgehammer. He is only got mild side effects of using Nandrolone which can be helped by a small course of clomid to get LH restart. You will find out a lot about how much a cycle costs in NZ if you want to use Hcg & other ancillaries as a preventative method or for their "sexual abilities".

I'm not going to reply to your post above on my comments to you. I do not need to justify my existance on this board, where as you do. So take time to feel your way into our community before you start shouting off your mouth & looking like a smart arsed twat.

Feel free to PM I would love to hear your comments in regards to using the correct ancillaries to prevent sexual disfunction and why you believe they shouldnt be used, hey maybe ill even learn something.

And to think you almost wrote an appropriate and respectful post yet you needed to top it off with that last sentance. Im not here to "shout my mouth off" im simply putting in and offering my opinions where I believe they could be useful to the OP, its then his responsibility to go through various opinions and come to his own educated decision from the information available right?

At the end of the day we are all here to help each other and learn from our own experiences as well as others.

[startinfromscratch]

is it just me or is this guy making the same reccomendations of rare-as-f*ck compounds, and same shitty attitude as the original goku_kakkarot77???

[gonzo6183]

is it just me or is this guy making the same reccomendations of rare-as-f*ck compounds, and same shitty attitude as the original goku_kakkarot77???

its just you man, we have been through this already. im just here to share my experiences and offer some advice as well as get along well with everyone but I wont let people walk all over me just for being new and sharing my opnions. Its up to the OP what he decides to do with the information im just giving him things to consider and look into.

As for "rare-as-f*ck compounds" well its simply a matter of knowing what to do and the Doc will prescribe you everything you need, thats any Doctor doesnt need to be a dodgy one. Feel free to PM me for some tips f you need them

Gonzo

[Daz69]

Feel free to PM I would love to hear your comments in regards to using the correct ancillaries to prevent sexual disfunction and why you believe they shouldnt be used, hey maybe ill even learn something.

Im not here to "shout my mouth off" im simply putting in and offering my opinions where I believe they could be useful to the OP, its then his responsibility to go through various opinions and come to his own educated decision from the information available right?

At the end of the day we are all here to help each other and learn from our own experiences as well as others.

Hey M8'.... Considering you must have started training sometime after March 2009.... That may, or may not give you about 3 years worth of training, don't know when you first incorporated gear usage, but it cant be more than three years, maybe less? Surely you didn't start training and immediately start pinning..? That's not what you have advised in an earlier post....

So when you mention personal experience, how much do you really have.?

Both myself and musclenz have been pinning since before you were born, that doesn't by right make everything we say gospel, but we do have decades of experience on what does and doesn't work for us... Musclenz is by far one of our most respected and knowledgeable members, far more knowledgeable than myself...

400mg/week Test + 250mg/week Deca is bugger-all by comparison to 2 and 3 gram/week cycles I have done in the past.... the symptoms of lethargy and low sex-drive associated with it are no major dramas, He has not given the best thought to a PCT on a 19-nor cycle, he could have tweaked it a little better by maybe adding Clomid... I'm sure he will be better prepared next time..... I'm sure the worst is now over and things will quickly return to normal pretty soon.......

Quoting what can be read on popular steroid forums and applying overkill methods of ancillary usage to bugger-all cycles, might not be well accepted on here...... Don't believe everything you read on steroid forums that have products to sell....

If you have in-depth medical or research knowledge of the things we have discussed please feel free to share with us, I personally would be happy to read any studies you have conducted or evidence you would like to put forward to back up your recommendations..

Thanks.....

[Pseudonym]

is it just me or is this guy making the same reccomendations of rare-as-fuck compounds, and same shitty attitude as the original goku_kakkarot77???

Mate, as Gonzo says, we've already established that there is no reason to suspect he's a troll. Maybe I'm wrong, but for now, assume he's legit, and treat him with a bit of courtesy.

You may not agree with his views (that's fine - debate them!) but show me one example of a shitty attitude. So far he's been repeatedly accused of being a troll, of copy-and-pasting, been told he should harden up, and that he's photoshopping his pics. And he's only been here two days! To each of these accusations, he's responded politely and sensibly.

Unfortunately, there ARE shitty attitudes on this forum - and Gonzo, I apologise to you on their behalf. :evil:

Daz - great post, thank you! It just shows... you can still question someone AND be polite!

[Daz69]

Daz - great post, thank you! It just shows... you can still question someone AND be polite!

Considering I started Oxymetholone 4hrs ago......... :pfft:

[startinfromscratch]

Mate, as Gonzo says, we've already established that there is no reason to suspect he's a troll. Maybe I'm wrong, but for now, assume he's legit, and treat him with a bit of courtesy.

You may not agree with his views (that's fine - debate them!) but show me one example of a shitty attitude. So far he's been repeatedly accused of being a troll, of copy-and-pasting, been told he should harden up, and that he's photoshopping his pics. And he's only been here two days! To each of these accusations, he's responded politely and sensibly.

Unfortunately, there ARE shitty attitudes on this forum - and Gonzo, I apologise to you on their behalf. :evil:

Daz - great post, thank you! It just shows... you can still question someone AND be polite!

Sorry pseudo, i guess the pressure of staying natty coupled with my desire to be an nzbb mod got the better of me.

i dont think he is a troll, i just dont think this is his first account on here.

now i will leave it to the experts 8)

[gonzo6183]

Feel free to PM I would love to hear your comments in regards to using the correct ancillaries to prevent sexual disfunction and why you believe they shouldnt be used, hey maybe ill even learn something.

Im not here to "shout my mouth off" im simply putting in and offering my opinions where I believe they could be useful to the OP, its then his responsibility to go through various opinions and come to his own educated decision from the information available right?

At the end of the day we are all here to help each other and learn from our own experiences as well as others.

Hey M8'.... Considering you must have started training sometime after March 2009.... That may, or may not give you about 3 years worth of training, don't know when you first incorporated gear usage, but it cant be more than three years, maybe less? Surely you didn't start training and immediately start pinning..? That's not what you have advised in an earlier post....

So when you mention personal experience, how much do you really have.?

Both myself and musclenz have been pinning since before you were born, that doesn't by right make everything we say gospel, but we do have decades of experience on what does and doesn't work for us... Musclenz is by far one of our most respected and knowledgeable members, far more knowledgeable than myself...

400mg/week Test + 250mg/week Deca is bugger-all by comparison to 2 and 3 gram/week cycles I have done in the past.... the symptoms of lethargy and low sex-drive associated with it are no major dramas, He has not given the best thought to a PCT on a 19-nor cycle, he could have tweaked it a little better by maybe adding Clomid... I'm sure he will be better prepared next time..... I'm sure the worst is now over and things will quickly return to normal pretty soon.......

Quoting what can be read on popular steroid forums and applying overkill methods of ancillary usage to bugger-all cycles, might not be well accepted on here...... Don't believe everything you read on steroid forums that have products to sell....

If you have in-depth medical or research knowledge of the things we have discussed please feel free to share with us, I personally would be happy to read any studies you have conducted or evidence you would like to put forward to back up your recommendations..

Thanks.....

Nothing I have posted is quoted from anywhere, it was all simply relevant information that I felt may be useful to the OP.

As for my knowledge and experience, yes you are right as far as duration goes it may be quite limited in comparrison to yourself and other members here and im not one to come along and "know it all" im here to learn and develope my knowledge further but do have a lot of info to share.

Im one of those guys that when interested in something I make it my mission to become an expert on the topic (as much as possible) before jumping into it. My research would have started in Mid 2008 and yes I started training in March 2009 (was military training only prior), naturally for a year and a half before jumping into a cycle and have done 3 now. Thing is in those 4 years I have literally spent at least 2-3000 hours researching papers, studies, forums, trials, friends cycling and myself.

I go to great lengths to understand every possible angle I can and have some medical knowledge as I am an offshore medic as well as a hyperbaric Diving Technician. Aslo was a combat medic for a few years so I do have an in depth understanding of the human body and how it works.

When it comes to my AAS experience I may be limited in my own practical experience but as a combination of my own cycles and cycles I build for other people I do have vast and in depth knowledge and offer advice in person to a couple of guys that have been taking gear since before I was born, just becasue you have been around a long time it does not neccessarily mean that you are knowledgable. I am in fact currently assisting a guy 15 years my senior on his cycle that I have designed myself and will be used as a build up to his IFBB comp in October this year, I also offer advice to several national record holders and it is generally very appreciated.

The reason im here is to continue to learn and share what I know and as I will be moving to NZ in a few years. I thought this might be a good place to do all of that and hopefully find a bunch of guys interested in amatuer level sponsorships and supplement trials from my supplement company that I have spent the last several years building.

Researching, designing and formulating my own products that will be available to the public in about 6 months time, I thought this would be a great place to build repor, meet new people and offer huge discounts and free product to anyone willing to assist in the launch and word of mouth referals.

It would appear that clearly I was wrong and coming to a new forum to offer help to those that need it and ask for it turned out to be a pissing contest because guys that have been around longer than I have dont like people handing out advice that is contradictory to their own.

So if thats the general feeling im more than happy to pack my bags and close my account here. If we get 10 senior members below to comment that they would prefer that I keep my opnions to myself and go back to where I came from then thats what ill do.

On the other hand if we dont then I would appreciate a little respect and the opportunity to offer advice where I feel I have something to offer, of course feel free to ask me to justify any of it and I might do the same but I dont need to be ripped on for trying to be helpful.

Lets see how this goes hey

Gonzo

[gonzo6183]

is it just me or is this guy making the same reccomendations of rare-as-f*ck compounds, and same shitty attitude as the original goku_kakkarot77???

Mate, as Gonzo says, we've already established that there is no reason to suspect he's a troll. Maybe I'm wrong, but for now, assume he's legit, and treat him with a bit of courtesy.

You may not agree with his views (that's fine - debate them!) but show me one example of a shitty attitude. So far he's been repeatedly accused of being a troll, of copy-and-pasting, been told he should harden up, and that he's photoshopping his pics. And he's only been here two days! To each of these accusations, he's responded politely and sensibly.

Unfortunately, there ARE shitty attitudes on this forum - and Gonzo, I apologise to you on their behalf. :evil:

Daz - great post, thank you! It just shows... you can still question someone AND be polite!

Much appreciated man and as you mentioned im always open to constructive critisism or debate and please feel free to challenge advice I have to offer but it would be appreciated if it was done in a respectful manner.

On a side note: Is there any way to actually prove that I have never had an account here before, my IP address or something? and as for being a troll well... not sure that can be proven but if there is a way feel free to let me know and ill do it. More than happy to give my username for other forums too if thats of any assistance