Thoughts on cycle for a 43 year old?

[musclenz]

I don't think I am a pussy cos I am a minimalist and pretty sure in the gym I might go ok with MNZ, he'd waste me in the lecture theatre though.

Yr so modest Harry

[HarryB]

I don't think I am a pussy cos I am a minimalist and pretty sure in the gym I might go ok with MNZ, he'd waste me in the lecture theatre though.

Yr so modest Harry

Not sure about modest just find being an arrogant wank doesn't really work for me.

Bill Roberts? I was reading almost the complete opposite by William LLewelyn the other night. I'd cut and paste it but can't be arsed.

All it shows is that if we have a theory we can find something somewhere that supports it.

[Daz69]

Although I have just front loaded.....

I normally prefer to increase gradually over several half-lives, I find (with me personally) I don't instigate a harsh hormonal counter measures if I do this...... But that's just me...

[Daz69]

Didn't a Bill Roberts f*ck up on the calculation of carbon atoms result in the incorrect steroid half-life tables we find on most steroid forums..?

[HarryB]

Didn't a Bill Roberts f*ck up on the calculation of carbon atoms result in the incorrect steroid half-life tables we find on most steroid forums..?

shhhhhhhhhhh..... yes

[musclenz]

I don't think I am a pussy cos I am a minimalist and pretty sure in the gym I might go ok with MNZ, he'd waste me in the lecture theatre though.

Yr so modest Harry

Not sure about modest just find being an arrogant wank doesn't really work for me.

Bill Roberts? I was reading almost the complete opposite by William LLewelyn the other night. I'd cut and paste it but can't be arsed.

All it shows is that if we have a theory we can find something somewhere that supports it.

Hey Buddy I'm just shitstirrin & winding everyone up. Its not personal. I meant ..I know you can smash me in the gym. :nod:

[HarryB]

Yr so modest Harry

Not sure about modest just find being an arrogant wank doesn't really work for me.

Bill Roberts? I was reading almost the complete opposite by William LLewelyn the other night. I'd cut and paste it but can't be arsed.

All it shows is that if we have a theory we can find something somewhere that supports it.

Hey Buddy I'm just shitstirrin & winding everyone up. Its not personal. I meant ..I know you can smash me in the gym. :nod:

Trouble is people look to you for solid advice.

[musclenz]

Not sure about modest just find being an arrogant wank doesn't really work for me.

Bill Roberts? I was reading almost the complete opposite by William LLewelyn the other night. I'd cut and paste it but can't be arsed.

All it shows is that if we have a theory we can find something somewhere that supports it.

Hey Buddy I'm just shitstirrin & winding everyone up. Its not personal. I meant ..I know you can smash me in the gym. :nod:

Trouble is people look to you for solid advice.

Maybe they do m8. I stand behind my original post regarding doing 500mg Test + 20mg Dbol ed for a first cycle. I have always advocated using 500 for a first cycle. In this case with a 43yr old with some training history I have added Dbol in. I would not recommend this necessarlily for a 23 yr old. Older guys are lower in natty test often & can handle slightly more gear mentally.

There is a place for front loading. I have done it sucessfully. There is also a place for Daz's timed loading theory. There is also a place for using 250mgs PW where there is circumstances like age, endurance, well being or experience with drugs are a factor. Many things work for different people.

[thatwaslight]

Hey Buddy I'm just shitstirrin & winding everyone up. Its not personal. I meant ..I know you can smash me in the gym. :nod:

Trouble is people look to you for solid advice.

Maybe they do m8. I stand behind my original post regarding doing 500mg Test + 20mg Dbol ed for a first cycle. I have always advocated using 500 for a first cycle. In this case with a 43yr old with some training history I have added Dbol in. I would not recommend this necessarlily for a 23 yr old. Older guys are lower in natty test often & can handle slightly more gear mentally.

There is a place for front loading. I have done it sucessfully. There is also a place for Daz's timed loading theory. There is also a place for using 250mgs PW where there is circumstances like age, endurance, well being or experience with drugs are a factor. Many things work for different people.

ex-fucking-actly. when it comes to gear its so vastly different between person to person that there is NEVER a one size fits all. what any of the much larger guys with good genetics are doing/have done can mean f*ck all to someone with entirely different make up.

But im huge and strong herp derp so what i do is the only true and correct way to do things......

[HarryB]

Trouble is people look to you for solid advice.

Maybe they do m8. I stand behind my original post regarding doing 500mg Test + 20mg Dbol ed for a first cycle. I have always advocated using 500 for a first cycle. In this case with a 43yr old with some training history I have added Dbol in. I would not recommend this necessarlily for a 23 yr old. Older guys are lower in natty test often & can handle slightly more gear mentally.

There is a place for front loading. I have done it sucessfully. There is also a place for Daz's timed loading theory. There is also a place for using 250mgs PW where there is circumstances like age, endurance, well being or experience with drugs are a factor. Many things work for different people.

ex-fucking-actly. when it comes to gear its so vastly different between person to person that there is NEVER a one size fits all. what any of the much larger guys with good genetics are doing/have done can mean f*ck all to someone with entirely different make up.

But im huge and strong herp derp so what i do is the only true and correct way to do things......

Actually you guy quite happily scoff people who use smaller amounts and I know you're happy to say I must lie about my dosing TWL lol...

I just think too much focus on drugs not enough focus on not eating fast food every meal and training once a millenia.

Just sayin phaggots..

Everyone has different responses that's very very correct. So as genetic freek said, start low and if you need then add..

[Android]

Because one size doesn't fit all, it makes more sense to me to start with less and add more in. Going overboard is worse than "not quite enough but can add more" isn't it?

[genetic freek]

IMO 500mg plus dbol would be great for a second cycle. But in saying that guys if he was to take this its safe enough, its not bad advice as in its detrimental to his health its just a case of opinion as to whether he needs that much or not.

[HumanPerformance]

Interesting discussion, some intelligent well thought out posts.

[Optimass]

500mgs plus 140 of dbol a week, yeah that's a good cycle for me now. I know I am maybe a decent responder but I have also used gear on and off for almost 20 years and I like to think I rely more on nutrition and training than I do on gear intake.

I don't think I am a pussy cos I am a minimalist and pretty sure in the gym I might go ok with MNZ, he'd waste me in the lecture theatre though.

I'm with Harry on this ... . (currently 117kg @ 12-13%)

[Daz69]

I don't think I have too many genetic advantages.

Daz and mnz I normally think you guys give great info and Daz and I have shared ideas on a few things and established what works for me doesn't for him etc etc etc

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Your being modest about your genetics again Harry...

When I think back, I remember 250mg/week seemed more than adequate back then. Maybe time has reduced how I my body responds, therefore 500mg/week seems pretty standard to me after 30 years. One shot of Cypionate was all I needed back then when I was a lad......

[AZIDE]

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[anyonehelp?]

This is a great post, some really good discussion going on!

:nod:

[HarryB]

":26dqgnwt]

I'm with Harry on this ... . (currently 117kg @ 12-13%)

and you are losing weight at the moment no? and also you probably never go off so you using 250mg/week for a few months while cutting is totally different to someone doing that as a first cycle, presumably to gain muscle

would the net gains (after pct) made really worth shutting down your natty test production using 250mg/week. i think not

I think maybe you should find out a little bit about the person making the post before making a blanket post such as this.

[genetic freek]

":2tf2gvrp]

I'm with Harry on this ... . (currently 117kg @ 12-13%)

and you are losing weight at the moment no? and also you probably never go off so you using 250mg/week for a few months while cutting is totally different to someone doing that as a first cycle, presumably to gain muscle

would the net gains (after pct) made really worth shutting down your natty test production using 250mg/week. i think not

I think maybe you should find out a little bit about the person making the post before making a blanket post such as this.

Was just about to say this.

Fool

[musclenz]

OK here's another approach for you low dose advocates & its short & sweet in & out & be very suitable for those more looking for an endurance & quick strength cycle -

Test Prop 100mg eod weeks 1 - 8

Dianabol 20mg ed weeks 1 - 4 or 2 - 6

Proviron 25mg eod weeks 1- 8

Adex .25 - .5 mg ed or where required (more than likely during the use of dianabol)

Pct

Nolva weeks 9 - 12 20mg ed

perhaps start the nolva the last few days of week 8

This could easly be taken out to 10 weeks as well

[PeterDolan]

Wouldn't 250mg pw be to a 40yo like 500mg pw be to a 20yo on a first cycle given their decline in natural test? Or is the decline not really as great as I've heard it worked up to be?

[Android]

OK here's another approach for you low dose advocates & its short & sweet in & out & be very suitable for those more looking for an endurance & quick strength cycle -

Test Prop 100mg eod weeks 1 - 8

Dianabol 20mg ed weeks 1 - 4 or 2 - 6

Proviron 25mg eod weeks 1- 8

Adex .25 - .5 mg ed or where required (more than likely during the use of dianabol)

Pct

Nolva weeks 9 - 12 20mg ed

perhaps start the nolva the last few days of week 8

This could easly be taken out to 10 weeks as well

As much as I think you're a great resource for intellectual stimulation, just two things stand out...

1. Pinning Prop every 2nd day for a first time user - ouch!

2. Adex with no pre-existing gyno condition, really?

I'm not saying he or anyone else won't grow on that...but he'll have to pin himself and not miss a single pinning-day. I wouldn't have started taking gear in the first place if that was the choice presented to me.

But then I'm a big pussy and faint everytime I see a needl....*ouch*

[HarryB]

OK here's another approach for you low dose advocates & its short & sweet in & out & be very suitable for those more looking for an endurance & quick strength cycle -

Test Prop 100mg eod weeks 1 - 8

Dianabol 20mg ed weeks 1 - 4 or 2 - 6

Proviron 25mg eod weeks 1- 8

Adex .25 - .5 mg ed or where required (more than likely during the use of dianabol)

Pct

Nolva weeks 9 - 12 20mg ed

perhaps start the nolva the last few days of week 8

This could easly be taken out to 10 weeks as well

As much as I think you're a great resource for intellectual stimulation, just two things stand out...

1. Pinning Prop every 2nd day for a first time user - ouch!

2. Adex with no pre-existing gyno condition, really?

I'm not saying he or anyone else won't grow on that...but he'll have to pin himself and not miss a single pinning-day. I wouldn't have started taking gear in the first place if that was the choice presented to me.

But then I'm a big pussy and faint everytime I see a needl....*ouch*

I fainted reading it... or was it your avatar? I don't know.. but I still fainted.

[crazyfacials]

^^^ I caught you...was so cute when you said "WOAAAAH...I JUST DIED IN YOUR ARMS , IT MUST OF BEEN SOMETHING YOU SAID"

[HarryB]

^^^ I caught you...was so cute when you said "WOAAAAH...I JUST DIED IN YOUR ARMS , IT MUST OF BEEN SOMETHING YOU SAID"

I should have walked away.. but I couldn't walk away...