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Growth Veteran member

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Im not going to tell you want to run and what not to run, but just be sure to do a lot of research.

As you go from cycle to cycle, it isn't about just doing more than last time, or using compounds because they are 'stronger' as you say.

Compounds almost always have unique properties over and above their anabolic and androgenic potential. When contemplating your next cycle and subsequent cycles, you will want to know what these properties are, and how compounds work with one another to provide maximum synergy.

Remember that you want to use the least amount of stuff possible to achive your goal.

In reference to Tren, yeah it is 'stronger' than Test, 5 times more anabolic and 5 times more androgenic, but it is not about just using the 'strongest' gear, otherwise all anyone would need is their Test base and Tren, and that is not the case at all.

Do some research on compound's ancillary properties and get familiar with them and synergy of compunds.

Its probably a bit hard to recommend what your second cycle could be without more information on what your goals are, what you plan to eat, and your training style etc.

Nandrolone and Tren are both 19-nors. Do you know the side effects of 19-nors? Have you thought about Boldenone at all?

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nate225 Veteran member

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Having seen you training both before & after your cycle (you'll remember me approaching you a few weeks ago and saying you must be on cos I noticed how much size you put on! :nod: ) I firstly have to say well done. :clap:

You have made some awesome gains and managed to keep a good persona in the gym, unlike some of those other young twats that train in that gym! :pfft:

Not really knowing much about such things I'm probably not qualified to give you advice, however I think the jump from a first cycle of Enanthate (or any ester of T) to a tren cycle is probably not in your best interests? Save the big guns til you need to go to war if you know what I mean?

Looking at what others have successfully done I'd think you would be best doing the same T but adding a small amount of nandrolone (or boldenone). If you really wanted to fire it up you could add some DBol to the mix for a short period (though probably not necessary for 2nd cycle).

Just my thoughts from what others have done - pay to hear from an experienced user though? Maybe ask Harry/MuscleNZ/Android etc their views?

KUTGW

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Both Growth and Nate :clap: best posts I've seen in a while in the Steroids section.

Personally I'd add in one compound like Deca or Boldenone for 2nd cycle using same amount of Test and 200-250mg or 1ml of either one.

There's a distinct difference between Deca and Boldenone. Whereas Deca puffs you up, lubes the joints and keeps you highly anabolic no matter what you eat, Boldenone requires a high protein diet and has less but more "keepable" gains and the extra red blood cell count gives you greater endurance and vascularity. Boldenone also makes you hungrier.

You gotta try them both at some stage in your life :-)

In terms of adding DBol, yeah I see no problem with a 4 week front-load while Deca or Bold really begin to kick in. You will be able to "feel" what DBol is like and from that gain your own personal experience on how 2 new compounds work and feel for your own body.

Tren...I only use it for comps as I don't care for the hard-as-rocks look in the off season and while you can't beat it for "assisted" strength increase I haven't required strength gains to build quality muscle, I've required more food.

I like your approach to gear btw, all the best

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Both Growth and Nate :clap: best posts I've seen in a while in the Steroids section.

Personally I'd add in one compound like Deca or Boldenone for 2nd cycle using same amount of Test and 200-250mg or 1ml of either one.

There's a distinct difference between Deca and Boldenone. Whereas Deca puffs you up, lubes the joints and keeps you highly anabolic no matter what you eat, Boldenone requires a high protein diet and has less but more "keepable" gains and the extra red blood cell count gives you greater endurance and vascularity. Boldenone also makes you hungrier.

You gotta try them both at some stage in your life :-)

In terms of adding DBol, yeah I see no problem with a 4 week front-load while Deca or Bold really begin to kick in. You will be able to "feel" what DBol is like and from that gain your own personal experience on how 2 new compounds work and feel for your own body.

Tren...I only use it for comps as I don't care for the hard-as-rocks look in the off season and while you can't beat it for "assisted" strength increase I haven't required strength gains to build quality muscle, I've required more food.

I like your approach to gear btw, all the best

And that now makes for three of the best posts I've seen in steroid section for ages, and consecutively as well!

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Daz69 Senior member

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Good sensible posts from Growth, Nate & Android....

There is a misconception that you have to keep adding compounds and increasing dosages every time you select a new cycle..

Adding compounds that work synergisticaly, rather than just for their potency alone can work better...

Tren is a bit on the potent side for a 2nd cycle.. Or any cycle if your inclined to get tren sides..

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Good sensible posts from Growth, Nate & Android....

There is a misconception that you have to keep adding compounds and increasing dosages every time you select a new cycle..

Adding compounds that work synergisticaly, rather than just for their potency alone can work better...

Tren is a bit on the potent side for a 2nd cycle.. Or any cycle if your inclined to get tren sides..

More is not better, smarter is better... you guys are smart cookies lol..

Just wanted to low brow things a bit.

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musclenz Veteran member

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Why break what ain't broken :D The old adage is true for you anyonehelp. In other words why not rerun the TestE at 500mg. You gained 10kg on your first cycle. Even if you gained another 5 kg on a rerun, you would have to be happy with that. As alluded to here by experienced & wise users, more is not always better in the world of AAS. Certainly, Trenbolone can be a difficult drug to use & the sides can be unpleasant. Save that for a future cycle when you need to harden up & lean out. The only addition I would suggest, as others have, is the addition of DBol into the first 4 weeks of your cycle at around 20mg ed. The other variation you could make is to take out your cycle by a few weeks to allow for more time to grow & the body to stabilise at a higher weight. Gauge your progress not only by weight but by strength & how your clothes fit & your body looks. Anyone can put on size but is that quality muscle mass or a big percentage of bf. Good luck with your training.

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I was ment to do it as a 12 week cycle, but then ran out of pins and had no time to go to needle exchange. So I just cut it a little shorter (10 weeks) then PCT and I plan on getting another cycle in before I ditch NZ for a bit.

Really enjoyed it. Have noticed water loss already, but it's all part of it I was told.

Hence the post about tren. Was wanting to plan out seccond cycle a lot more as I rushed into the first one a bit.

Thinking on doing Test & Decca

OR

Test & Dbol (Dbol at 4 weeks start then two weeks towards end cycle)

Mean man .. sick results for 10 weeks !!

Guess I'll be doing 10-12 aiming for similar size gain but won't be sad if I fall a bit short :D!

Yea I am now down to about 103kg so far. Trying to keep mind in check and workout just as hard.

Let me know how your gains go man, always good hearing other peoples thoughts and experences.

Good attitude AH, too many guys get hooked on not wanting to lose a little 'swole' between cycles & just give up on going off, or worse just stop training/eating properly (maybe you've seen this a few times in your gym! :pfft: :grin: ).

KUTHW

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Oh man I just gave Tom about 175 clen pills.. haha I was told probably not best to use a PWO during a cycle of that. ANYWAYS back to point sweet I get really drained/tired sitting in an air con'd office all day its the main reason I use a PWO when I go so I'll probably have to bust it out for a while *sad face*

Oh yeah edit - I've also got a bunch of Cytomel pills that Im going to use during my cycle cos I do wanna add the size but Im also keen on staying pretty lean - always a dilemma! Hopefully they help, with a bit of cardio involved

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