nzlabrats cycle

[nzlabrat]

Up date on nzlabrat

Food is still the some most days, lots of vegetables, Salmon for dinner most nights, and a bowl of Oats to go to bed on.

I have stopped taking T3 and Clenbuterol until next Sunday.

I am cycling this 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. This is important for the receptors.

I had some propionate so have taken Pittbulls advice and doing ½ ml each day, but as usual have blown up like a Michelin man, I started this a couple of weeks ago.

As of today I am doing a course of growth hormone for a few weeks, this will be taken with T3. GH is 3IU EOD

nzlabrat.

[Pittbull]

Up date on nzlabrat

Food is still the some most days, lots of vegetables, Salmon for dinner most nights, and a bowl of Oats to go to bed on.

I have stopped taking T3 and Clenbuterol until next Sunday.

I am cycling this 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. This is important for the receptors.

I had some propionate so have taken Pittbulls advice and doing ½ ml each day, but as usual have blown up like a Michelin man, I started this a couple of weeks ago.

As of today I am doing a course of growth hormone for a few weeks, this will be taken with T3. GH is 3IU EOD

nzlabrat.

If you have any Aromasin (exemestance) on hand 1/2 a tab daily or even eod will get rid of any estrogen related sides (like water), help further increase your igf levels & also to a certain degree help your lipid profile. You won't experance the neg loop feedback & have huge amounts of estrogen rush into your system either once you stop taking it as you do with many other Aromatase Inhibitors such as Femera (letrozole).

Just a thought.

It's all looking good so far & I love some of the food choices you have, very tasty

[deegee]

Thanks for keeping us updated, as I said it is very interesting, what kind of gains are you seeing the gym with weight ?

[samoan_muscle]

As of today I am doing a course of growth hormone for a few weeks, this will be taken with T3. GH is 3IU EOD

Out of interest - what brand of GH are you using?

[sponge]

As of today I am doing a course of growth hormone for a few weeks, this will be taken with T3. GH is 3IU EOD

Out of interest - what brand of GH are you using?

why are you doing 3IU EOD?

[Pittbull]

As of today I am doing a course of growth hormone for a few weeks, this will be taken with T3. GH is 3IU EOD

Out of interest - what brand of GH are you using?

why are you doing 3IU EOD?

Cost springs to mind straight away! Some aren't as privilaged as others as to what hGH cost them!

I'd be keen to know what brand hGH you're useing too.

[sponge]

I know cost is a factor but you might as well spend a bit more and do it ED rather than EOD

[Pittbull]

I agree totally

[nzlabrat]

Well it’s 10 weeks to go before my next show. So it’s time for the next part of the cycle. This is what I call my cutting but maintaining muscle, Trenolone 75, Winstrol, D-Bol, Proviron, T3, Hgh.

This is the first time that I have used D-Bol with a cutting cycle. So with the above it means drinking lots of water as the Tren & D-Bol are hard on the liver.

The D-Bol will be for only 4 weeks as I need to see if I well be holding water.

Tren is one roid I love as I get good gains. ( NOTE Tren is not for first timers you would need to have done at least 3 cycles before looking at Tren).

For weeks 1 to 5 the Tren is 1ml EOD

Weeks 6 to 10 the Tren is 1ml at 2days on and 1 day of then 2 days on so/on & so/on

So you see I will use 4 x 10ml bottles of Tren

D-Bol: days 1,2,3 will be 40mg per day

Days 4,5,6,7 will be 60mg per day

Week 2,3 will be 80mg per day

Week 4 will be 3 days at 60mg per day and the last 4 days is 40mg per day

Proviron is still two tabs per day at 25mg each

Winstrol: weeks 1,2, is 40mg per day

Week 3 is 60mg per day

Weeks 4,5,6,7, is 80mg per day

Week 8 is 60mg per day

Weeks 9,10 40mg per day

hGH: I have been on this for a few weeks now and it’s been 3iu EOD

Today is my last calorie blow out with food

On Sunday I can in at 104kg at 6am in the morning so by tomorrow I think it will be 106kg????

To see what I have gained in muscle mass I need to get down to 4% body fat as that was my last weigh in.

nzlabrat.

[2guns]

your liver is going to take a beating, dont u think?

[nzlabrat]

your liver is going to take a beating, dont u think?

Yes the liver will take a beating but I have been down this road before. All you need to do is drink lots of water and GOOD CLEAN FOOD and the right supplements.

One day 2guns when you what to use real supplements just pm me and we can talk about it.

nzlabrat.

[samoan_muscle]

Well it’s 10 weeks to go before my next show. So it’s time for the next part of the cycle. This is what I call my cutting but maintaining muscle, Trenolone 75, Winstrol, D-Bol, Proviron, T3, Hgh.

This is the first time that I have used D-Bol with a cutting cycle. So with the above it means drinking lots of water as the Tren & D-Bol are hard on the liver.

The D-Bol will be for only 4 weeks as I need to see if I well be holding water.

Tren is one roid I love as I get good gains. ( NOTE Tren is not for first timers you would need to have done at least 3 cycles before looking at Tren).

For weeks 1 to 5 the Tren is 1ml EOD

Weeks 6 to 10 the Tren is 1ml at 2days on and 1 day of then 2 days on so/on & so/on

So you see I will use 4 x 10ml bottles of Tren

D-Bol: days 1,2,3 will be 40mg per day

Days 4,5,6,7 will be 60mg per day

Week 2,3 will be 80mg per day

Week 4 will be 3 days at 60mg per day and the last 4 days is 40mg per day

Proviron is still two tabs per day at 25mg each

Winstrol: weeks 1,2, is 40mg per day

Week 3 is 60mg per day

Weeks 4,5,6,7, is 80mg per day

Week 8 is 60mg per day

Weeks 9,10 40mg per day

hGH: I have been on this for a few weeks now and it’s been 3iu EOD

Today is my last calorie blow out with food

On Sunday I can in at 104kg at 6am in the morning so by tomorrow I think it will be 106kg????

To see what I have gained in muscle mass I need to get down to 4% body fat as that was my last weigh in.

nzlabrat.

Hey bro - interesting cycle youv'e got planned there.

I don't really agree with dbol in a cutting cycle though - is that in there purely for a boost in the strength before the tren kicks in? I think running a short-estered test in the early stages of your cycle would be a better option - test propionate would be perfect eod. Just my personal opinion BTW.

Whats your T3 dosage?

How is the GH going for you - are you seeing results yet? (as in loss of bodyfat tissue)?

[nzlabrat]

My T3 is 100mg I have 1/2 at 6am and the next 1/2 at 4pm

hGH is for muscle growth thats what it's good for as for fat loss that only works when your body fat is low. GH is only good if you are over 35 years +. This is one of my favourite for mass.

SM if you can get your hands on a book called World Anabolic Review 1996 you will find it interesting. That why you young boys keep using the same cycles and not some of the old ones, Thats why I have gone with Tren & d-bol. PS work out what each one does eg Tren is good for? and d-bol is good for? then with the hGH??

Well what a calorie blow out, today I came in at 106.4kg.

nzlabrat

[samoan_muscle]

Hmmm...interesting theory about the GH and 35 years old thing... :think:

but I strongly disagree with you there buddy - I will elaborate when I have more time....

[nzlabrat]

Hmmm...interesting theory about the GH and 35 years old thing... :think:

but I strongly disagree with you there buddy - I will elaborate when I have more time....

Thats what I like to see young BB thinking about what the old boys do with gear. So SAMOAN_MUSCLE keep looking and one day you will get big like one of my young boys. It's all about what and how much thats goes in :pfft:

nzlabrat.

[2guns]

:pfft:

[samoan_muscle]

Hmmm...interesting theory about the GH and 35 years old thing... :think:

but I strongly disagree with you there buddy - I will elaborate when I have more time....

Thats what I like to see young BB thinking about what the old boys do with gear. So SAMOAN_MUSCLE keep looking and one day you will get big like one of my young boys. It's all about what and how much thats goes in :pfft:

nzlabrat.

haha - your a funny guy - :pfft: :pfft: :pfft:

take it easy old man....the viagra's not that strong is it? :grin:

[Pittbull]

*Sits back to watch the thread unfold..... :pfft:

[2guns]

*Sits back to watch the thread unfold.....

likewise...

[sponge]

i tend to agree with samoan_muscle..

[Pittbull]

I would to but I'm just a fly on the wall for this one :nod:

[2guns]

Hmmm...interesting theory about the GH and 35 years old thing...

but I strongly disagree with you there buddy - I will elaborate when I have more time....

could u SAMOAN_MUSCLE or someone who knows there stuff elaborate please?

or give their view y GH isnt beneficial to those in their youth?

im not trying to start any shit, just its good for guys like me who like to take in all the info i can get bout this sorta stuff...

cheers!

[nzlabrat]

So Pittbull with you being a fly on the wall I will need to watch my back as you might tell samoan_muscle what works and what doesn't work. :pfft: :pfft: :pfft: :pfft:

nzlabrat. 8)

[samoan_muscle]

Hmmm...interesting theory about the GH and 35 years old thing...

but I strongly disagree with you there buddy - I will elaborate when I have more time....

could u SAMOAN_MUSCLE or someone who knows there stuff elaborate please?

or give their view y GH isnt beneficial to those in their youth?

im not trying to start any shit, just its good for guys like me who like to take in all the info i can get bout this sorta stuff...

cheers!

Bro, I don't think GH is really an age thing ... it's more about better overall health and well-being (and fat-loss/lean mass gains/lean mass retention of course).

GH will keep you lean which is probably the biggest benefit to my pet monkey who is going to be taking 2iu ED.

Why does nzlabrat think it's only good for 35 years and older?

Probably because at the ripe old age of 35+ your GH levels are beginning to seriously decline - (which is why his dosage of 3IU EOD (or 1.5IU ED) would seem like sheer heaven to him) - that low dose would probably bring him on par with the GH levels of a 20 year old as I've heard that in our prime the body can produce 0.5-1IU of hGH / day.

In a nutshell - I dont think nzlabrats theory of mass gains on 3IU EOD makes too much sense to me...especially if taking into consideration that GH's effect on muscle mass comes from stimulating the release of IGF-1 and blah blah - which is really where the lean gains come from - but lets not get too technical shall we?

Different stroke for different folks i spose....

[Pittbull]

Here we go fellas, without going overboard & giving away to much info....

GH is a fantastic product, beneficial for many reasons. Most people will experience thinning of the skin, increased vascularity, fat loss, permanent increases in muscle size due to the cell number increase, and overall feelings of wellness. You will probably need less sleep and feel supercharged all day long.

I highly recommend GH use, but only when you have the money to do it right.

4-6 month cycles are optimal, year round if you can afford to or are over age 35 for the exact reasons SM stated, your GH levels start to rapidly decline.

Here are some general guidelines to follow for maximal results from GH use:

Maximum muscle gain (off season):

What I have found from intense research, and my band of guinee pigs have also found is that for maximum muscle gains it is best to use a 3x per week schedule for GH. Take your normal weekly dose and then divide it into 3 equal injections and take it pwo. So for most I'd recomend taking 10iu pwo Mon, Weds, and Friday. You will be able to consume one hell of a lot of calories pwo with that large of a GH dose and not get fat. On workout days I have my clients take in about 30% of their daily caloric total in 3 meals pwo. Non have experienced any additional fat gains. In fact they are fairly thermogenic proven by the massive rise in waking body temp and the wet sheets while sleeping, lol.

There is also no need for T3running GH in this mannar off season!

Comp preperation:

It's most beniffical taking GH every day for fat loss than the 3x per week schedule.

It is best to split your daily dose over 2 shots during the day, injected first thing in the morning upon rising to raise levels that are very low from sleeping, and immediately after training. I do not recommend injecting before bed as many bodybuilders do, since that is the time of day that your body will release naturally high levels of growth hormone, and exogenous use will only block that release. If you take it in the morning when levels are low, after training when levels are depleted and then let your body release while sleeping, you are getting one extra release for free!

GH is best taken long term for maximum perminant effects, short cycles do not maximize the benefits of muscle cell increase! Only fat loss!

So in summary:

I'd recommend useing GH for a bare minimum of 4mth but if affordable all year round as follows.

Off season use the 3 x week schedule until 12 weeks from your comp then switch to daily schedule to increse fatloss dramatically!

For best results I also recomend useing AAS in conjunction with GH as they are extremelly synergestic together.

As far as the 3iu EOD schedule being used, you will experance some added fatloss & "feel good" effects from the GH but your blood levels would be so up & down that's really about it & in my honest opinion think you'd do better dropping the GH totally, saving your money & you can achieve the same results you'd be getting by adjusting a few things & looking at other much cheaper options! Reall 3iu EOD to me is a total waste of money! Just my opinion though :pfft: