Oxymetholone?

[Daz69]

Just read this post regarding Oxymetholone, anyone care to comment..?

Anadrol is NOT a progestin, NOR does it aromatize into estrogen. The Oxymetholone molecule itself intrinsically activates the estrogen receptor. As the more informed AAS users of the world should already know, Drol also has no affinity for the AR. What does this mean, exactly? You're basically introducing a xenoestrogen into your body with no added androgenic benefits. Interestingly enough, the molecule has an A-ring not very far off from estradiol. Fact is, those Anabolic:Androgenic ratios mean absolutely nothing in the real world. The fact that this compound activates the E2 receptors all by itself makes it very dangerous to use with any other steroid that aromatizes into estrogenic metabolites. Since the gains are 90% water, it makes sense that anadrol isn't very far off from simply being an impromptu mix of EPO and estrogen. So what does this all mean? If you are gyno prone and happen to develop some while in the midst of an Anadrol cycle, good luck trying to figure out which drug caused it. Better yet, if you are running Drol alone, have fun trying to get rid of the gyno, because AI's, dopamine receptor agonists, and traditional anti-estrogen drugs such as Nolvadex will not work.

Obviously, this means the only way to combat the bloat is to use a diuretic alongside of it, but please do that at your own risk. Bottom line, leave this dated drug in the past. EQ will raise your RBC count much better, Halo will make your lifts explode in an equal amount of time without bloating up, Dianabol will kickstart your cycle with more lean mass gains and less side effects, and estrogen shots coupled with anti-androgens will make you grow breasts much more efficiently if you so desire.

Been seeing a lot of misinformation about this drug around forums lately and figured I'd clear it up. Too many handbooks and internet databases consider it the "most powerful oral steroid" when that is clearly not the case in anabolism, and in androgenic potency.

[thatwaslight]

iv'e never heard anyone rave on about anadrol and i'm sure there is a reason!

[musclenz]

Just read this post regarding Oxymetholone, anyone care to comment..?

Anadrol is NOT a progestin, NOR does it aromatize into estrogen. The Oxymetholone molecule itself intrinsically activates the estrogen receptor. As the more informed AAS users of the world should already know, Drol also has no affinity for the AR. What does this mean, exactly? You're basically introducing a xenoestrogen into your body with no added androgenic benefits. Interestingly enough, the molecule has an A-ring not very far off from estradiol. Fact is, those Anabolic:Androgenic ratios mean absolutely nothing in the real world. The fact that this compound activates the E2 receptors all by itself makes it very dangerous to use with any other steroid that aromatizes into estrogenic metabolites. Since the gains are 90% water, it makes sense that anadrol isn't very far off from simply being an impromptu mix of EPO and estrogen. So what does this all mean? If you are gyno prone and happen to develop some while in the midst of an Anadrol cycle, good luck trying to figure out which drug caused it. Better yet, if you are running Drol alone, have fun trying to get rid of the gyno, because AI's, dopamine receptor agonists, and traditional anti-estrogen drugs such as Nolvadex will not work.

Obviously, this means the only way to combat the bloat is to use a diuretic alongside of it, but please do that at your own risk. Bottom line, leave this dated drug in the past. EQ will raise your RBC count much better, Halo will make your lifts explode in an equal amount of time without bloating up, Dianabol will kickstart your cycle with more lean mass gains and less side effects, and estrogen shots coupled with anti-androgens will make you grow breasts much more efficiently if you so desire.

Been seeing a lot of misinformation about this drug around forums lately and figured I'd clear it up. Too many handbooks and internet databases consider it the "most powerful oral steroid" when that is clearly not the case in anabolism, and in androgenic potency.

^^^ A load of bolex Nothing new here just trying to sensationalise a very old tried & true androgen. It has always been regarded as having a slightly different path of action over say Dbol, hence the Progestin Theory, but in truth it works pretty much like any andro & causes similar sides although water retention is very high, all can be treated with SERMs & AI's. It is even used pre comp to hold up muscle mass & density & is countered with diuretics & anti-E's quite successfully.

[Android]

Anapalon is great in my book.

But it's such a short duration (4 weeks is all I will do in a row) that you have to commit to eating and training hard to get the gains from it otherwise you may as well take DBol for a bit longer.

It's common advice to just take it pre-workout which I don't agree with. Taken like DBol twice a day, drinking heaps of water, eating heaps of carbs, training harder and longer than usual it's great.

But then...you can lose alot of that size afterwards :shock: naturally.

Which makes musclenz's comment about taking it pre-comp very interesting...

[snoopy]

The American's answer to the Russian d'bol - fantastic for strength, and an appetite stimulant. You wouldn't use it for more than two weeks anyway so I don't see the problem.

It shouldn't be left in the past, it is a miracle drug.

Im surprised Halotestin was brought up, this is the worst nastiest steroid ever, and the only last real Halotestin was available five years ago so I doubt there is any left?

Only real problem with Anadrol is a rapid receeding of the hair, its some scary stuff.

Any one able to explain this?

[Daz69]

^^^ A load of bolex Nothing new here just trying to sensationalise a very old tried & true androgen. It has always been regarded as having a slightly different path of action over say Dbol, hence the Progestin Theory, but in truth it works pretty much like any andro & causes similar sides although water retention is very high, all can be treated with SERMs & AI's. It is even used pre comp to hold up muscle mass & density & is countered with diuretics & anti-E's quite successfully.

This is what the guy has come back with:

As a matter of fact, no study has ever proven that Anadrol has progestenic activity which is exactly why I brought the point up. I'm not trying to prove or sensationalize anything here. The info is pretty much right in front of you. Anti-estrogens will not work because it doesn't convert to estrogen. It practically already is. This drug is known to cause nipple soreness and make gyno even worse, while being run with the above substances, might I add.

http://journals.cambridge.org/produc...ltextid=877496

No virilization in women taking 150mg a day? That's not even slightly androgenic. 20mg of Anavar can cause worse virilization.

Your thoughts again pls.?

[musclenz]

^^^ A load of bolex Nothing new here just trying to sensationalise a very old tried & true androgen. It has always been regarded as having a slightly different path of action over say Dbol, hence the Progestin Theory, but in truth it works pretty much like any andro & causes similar sides although water retention is very high, all can be treated with SERMs & AI's. It is even used pre comp to hold up muscle mass & density & is countered with diuretics & anti-E's quite successfully.

This is what the guy has come back with:

As a matter of fact, no study has ever proven that Anadrol has progestenic activity which is exactly why I brought the point up. I'm not trying to prove or sensationalize anything here. The info is pretty much right in front of you. Anti-estrogens will not work because it doesn't convert to estrogen. It practically already is. This drug is known to cause nipple soreness and make gyno even worse, while being run with the above substances, might I add.

http://journals.cambridge.org/produc...ltextid=877496

No virilization in women taking 150mg a day? That's not even slightly androgenic. 20mg of Anavar can cause worse virilization.

Your thoughts again pls.?

It is an androgen. It should not be used with females. It does virilize. It is a derivative of DHT hence the fact it does not aromatise & thus SERMs are more effective at treating the sides than AI's. I said AI's & SERMS because you should always be using a Test ester as the base of any cycle containing Anadrol. I said it was thought to be progestenic but subsequent studies have found that not to be true. Estrogens & Progestins are very similar & oxymetholone can intrinsically activate the estrogen receptor itself thereby giving the appearance of estrogenic activity.