How do you cruise?

[Terrymundo]

Listen up all you blast cruisers! currently on cycle and looking to link to the next with a low dose. Currently thinking 6-8 weeks at 175mg per week of test during the gap. To be honest cant be effed with a pct after this cycle but will take a good after my next. so my question is what cruising protocol do you follow? dose? compond? duration?

[thatwaslight]

test e 250 8-10 weeks

[Android]

Lexus, black, discretely

[nate225]

Lexus, black, discretely

Toyota with Lexus badges? :grin:

test e 250 8-10 weeks

Olive oil with test e labels? :pfft: :grin:

[thatwaslight]

Lexus, black, discretely

Toyota with Lexus badges? :grin:

test e 250 8-10 weeks

Olive oil with test e labels? :pfft: :grin:

grapeseed brah

[nate225]

Lexus, black, discretely

Toyota with Lexus badges? :grin:

test e 250 8-10 weeks

Olive oil with test e labels? :pfft: :grin:

grapeseed brah

Your man told me that was too expensive, and he now makes $95 / 10mL instead of only $88 / 10mL just by switching to the 1L Lupi. You might notice more gains next month when he blends canola in to increase his margins! :pfft: :grin:

He got rid of the BA long ago as it cost money, and the powders never been an issue as it's never factored in the cost due to being non-existent.....perfect product! :pfft: :pfft: :grin:

[Android]

Lexus, black, discretely

Toyota with Lexus badges? :grin:

It's just a car Nate, don't be jealous mate...no srs don't be...there's no need...it's ok your car is "nice" too...kind of...well...but apart from that it's nice :shock:

[nate225]

Lexus, black, discretely

Toyota with Lexus badges? :grin:

It's just a car Nate, don't be jealous mate...no srs don't be...there's no need...it's ok your car is "nice" too...kind of...well...but apart from that it's nice :shock:

LOLz - you can't have seen my car bro..... its far from nice! :grin: Beat up 97 Civic that I've crashed how many times?! :shifty: Best you hide the Lexus if you see the smoke coming! :pfft:

[Terrymundo]

test e 250 8-10 weeks

cool. just why 250? and why for 8-10weeks? thats pretty much my first cycle. would you recommend dropping it to 6-8weeks? or is that not enough? Not challenging what your saying just seeking justification.

[thatwaslight]

test e 250 8-10 weeks

cool. just why 250? and why for 8-10weeks? thats pretty much my first cycle. would you recommend dropping it to 6-8weeks? or is that not enough? Not challenging what your saying just seeking justification.

i only cruise to clear out the system of higher doses so 250 is f*ck all for me. 6 weeks is fine but if i'm doing that sometimes i just go cold turkey, i prefer it sometimes as for me psychologically being on nothing makes me feel better about running high doses.

in the end i just go by how i'm feeling and whether i'm making progress or not on my current protocol.

[Daz69]

test e 250 8-10 weeks

cool. just why 250? and why for 8-10weeks? thats pretty much my first cycle. would you recommend dropping it to 6-8weeks? or is that not enough? Not challenging what your saying just seeking justification.

1ml of 250mg/ml isn't really 250mg of test, when you subtract the weight of the ester you're left with about 180mg of testosterone....

180mg/week is still a bit on the high side.....

A while back there was a thread on cruise: where 0.4ml of Test-E twice a week was returning blood levels of 37...

Maybe add low dose Proviron to free up more plasma test & to keep E' in check whilst on your cruise...

[I Declare War]

Twl cruises in style! Trolololl

Nah jk. what twl is doing is pretty standard.

I blast 4 weeks. 3 weeks long esters.. fouth week i switch out to test p but keep running whatever other compunds im running (deca and bold).

Weeks 5 and 6 i cruise. ill just run a bit of bold and deca. smal amounts but no test

then repeat.

there's lots of ways to do it.. it all depends on ur goals as to which way is best for you.

[tikalosh]

interesting thread on cruising:

http://www.aussiegymjunkies.com/showthread.php?t=4793

[Daz69]

Twl cruises in style! Trolololl

Nah jk. what twl is doing is pretty standard.

I blast 4 weeks. 3 weeks long esters.. fourth week i switch out to test p but keep running whatever other compounds im running (deca and bold).

Weeks 5 and 6 i cruise. ill just run a bit of bold and deca. small amounts but no test

then repeat.

there's lots of ways to do it.. it all depends on ur goals as to which way is best for you.

Thats a different but very interesting way of applying the cruise principal, I'm sure you have a valid reason, would you like to share it..?

[Huskeez]

Listen up all you blast cruisers! currently on cycle and looking to link to the next with a low dose. Currently thinking 6-8 weeks at 175mg per week of test during the gap. To be honest cant be effed with a pct after this cycle but will take a good after my next. so my question is what cruising protocol do you follow? dose? compond? duration?

As soon as i finished my 12 week cycle i sat like this for 6 months and i kept all my gains

[Android]

Listen up all you blast cruisers! currently on cycle and looking to link to the next with a low dose. Currently thinking 6-8 weeks at 175mg per week of test during the gap. To be honest cant be effed with a pct after this cycle but will take a good after my next. so my question is what cruising protocol do you follow? dose? compond? duration?

What do u look like after a cycle mate, keen to c sum pics of gains from guys who actually take these illegal substances

[tomsammce]

Lexus, black, discretely

[Terrymundo]

Listen up all you blast cruisers! currently on cycle and looking to link to the next with a low dose. Currently thinking 6-8 weeks at 175mg per week of test during the gap. To be honest cant be effed with a pct after this cycle but will take a good after my next. so my question is what cruising protocol do you follow? dose? compond? duration?

What do u look like after a cycle mate, keen to c sum pics of gains from guys who actually take these illegal substances

bigger. wouldn't hold my breathe. but just maybe.

[I Declare War]

Twl cruises in style! Trolololl

Nah jk. what twl is doing is pretty standard.

I blast 4 weeks. 3 weeks long esters.. fourth week i switch out to test p but keep running whatever other compounds im running (deca and bold).

Weeks 5 and 6 i cruise. ill just run a bit of bold and deca. small amounts but no test

then repeat.

there's lots of ways to do it.. it all depends on ur goals as to which way is best for you.

Thats a different but very interesting way of applying the cruise principal, I'm sure you have a valid reason, would you like to share it..?

Because I hate inefficiency. I'm trying to minimise downtime, cruising, while maximising uptime, blasting.

When bulking, I periodise everything together into bursts of high activity followed by low activity. It's not just my *ahem* supplementation that I blast when I'm blasting - it's also training, and diet. When I blast I force-feed myself, force-train myself, and *ahem* force-supplement myself.

Because I've set a deadline, on getting to a certain bodyweight; I've had to put a lot of thought into how I can make the best of my time, how I can gain the most in the shortest amount of time (while still being reasonably nice to my body).

The blast period, being four weeks, is long enough to make good progressive gains, but short enough to ensure that I don't get burnt out or sick. I find that after four weeks of full-on training, eating, and supplementing during a blast, that I need a break. A short break to re-group, re-assess, recover and reset for the next period of high intensity.

The cruise period, being only two weeks, is sufficiently long enough that it's a good flush/reset for the system [of AAS]. It's also long enough, given sufficiently light training throughout, to allow the CNS, tendons, and enthusiasm to recover. After two weeks of light training I'm usually itching to blast again, and as soon as I'm ready to go, I resume blasting on and upwards.

Basically, Daz69, I blast/cruise like this because everything is synced up to my training cycle. It just all fits together well like this. Depending on how intensely you train, along with other factors such as injuries and ability to eat lots for extended periods, 6 or 8 weeks, of training under my system, may also work for you.

Click on the link in my signature, if you want to see more about how I periodise my training. 8)

[Pseudonym]

So in dropping down from blast to cruise level, do you still feel the same withdrawal symptoms you get when coming off completely? Do you need PCT, or is the fact that you're still cruising PCT enough?

[tomsammce]

So in dropping down from blast to cruise level, do you still feel the same withdrawal symptoms you get when coming off completely? Do you need PCT, or is the fact that you're still cruising PCT enough?

its not pct at all (i know what you mean but still, thought i would make clear for ppl who dont)... pct is post cycle therapy - meant to bring your natural hormone levels back to where they were previous to starting the cycle or at least help to get that process started.

if you drop your dose from 1500mg/week to 250mg/week and get withdrawl symptoms you are nutty in the head lol.

your balls are either producing test or their not producing test. period.

[I Declare War]

So in dropping down from blast to cruise level, do you still feel the same withdrawal symptoms you get when coming off completely? Do you need PCT, or is the fact that you're still cruising PCT enough?

The drop from blast to cruise level is kept as easy-going as possible by switching over to short acting compounds during the final week of the blast, and tapering off through that week. Tom is correct. PCT doesn't come into the equation, it's an on-going cycle.

The first several days of the cruise period may be a little bit of a roller coaster ride, up and down, but it's not so bad as you may imagine. By the middle of the first week of cruising, hormone levels will have dropped significantly, and throughout the second week, hormone levels will be negligible, and conducive to the recovery sought.

During the cruise period, training, eating, everything is kept as reactive as possible. Train when you feel you've got energy to burn, eat when you're hungry, etc. The goal is to let yourself return to a fresh state and not to force anything, so that you can enter the next blast phase as soon as possible.

The game changes when you ultimately decide to stop using. That is when PCT comes into the equation, and steroids leave.

[Pseudonym]

Tom is correct. PCT doesn't come into the equation, it's an on-going cycle.

Interesting. And does the same argument go for those on HRT? I guess effectively they're on an on-going cycle too, aren't they?

[HarryB]

Tom is correct. PCT doesn't come into the equation, it's an on-going cycle.

Interesting. And does the same argument go for those on HRT? I guess effectively they're on an on-going cycle too, aren't they?

Yep, except the dosing is very very different.. what might be of interest to some who don't have any interest in coming off is to do regular intervals of HCG... just to stimulate your testes and stop them from disapperaing completely.

[I Declare War]

Tom is correct. PCT doesn't come into the equation, it's an on-going cycle.

Interesting. And does the same argument go for those on HRT? I guess effectively they're on an on-going cycle too, aren't they?

Yep, except the dosing is very very different.. what might be of interest to some who don't have any interest in coming off is to do regular intervals of HCG... just to stimulate your testes and stop them from disapperaing completely.

Harry, nope. The dosing, during short cruise periods, that I've been talking about in this thread, is not very different at all. The first week of the two week cruise is a clear-out week, then the second week is a week of either running minimal amounts or nothing at all. Nothing at all would be the best for recovery purposes; if you were to run anything, I'd suggest that it would be run at HRT dosage, not more.

I've often pondered the reasoning behind using HCG, while blast/cruising. To my mind it's akin to flogging a dead horse. If you're on gear for years on end, I think it really doesn't matter at all, to keep the hypothalamic–pituitary–gonadal axis stimulated, because you're just going to be shutting down your gonads again after you finish with the HCG.

The reason people suggest using HCG, "to stop them disappearing completely", is because they think that the stimulation will keep the body from forgetting how to run its own system, and also to a lesser extent, they think that it will prevent senescence of the gonads, but the problem is that there are no clinical studies to back this up. I think that the reasoning behind using HCG for this purpose is not logical. In my opinion, I think that if you go off steroids for an extended period of time, your body will resume natural hormonal rhythms, and levels will eventually rise to within the normal range for your age.

Ultimately, once you do decide to get off gear for good, then you should wean yourself off over several months, cut out all compounds, running only testosterone, at a dosage in the natural range. When you do finally come off, you'd want to stay off everything for several months and just bare with it. Then you'd take blood tests at regular intervals to monitor for a rise in hormone levels. If you don't return to a natural level after several more months, then you may want to consider HCG therapy, or just accept the fact that your run is over. This is a very cautious approach, but it is the one that I will follow one day.

I do understand, though, where Harry is coming from in suggesting this. I suppose that HCG therapy, as he suggests, can make the transition to a period of being 'off' easier, I just don't see the point in using it mid-way through a blast/cruise.