Testosterone. Im going back wards? What gives?

[mrgeeky]

I have already been on for about 6 months and I am really dreading like hell having to go off..How long can some one at my age (50) safely cruise for?

Whats a safe time limit.. I dont want to find myself in a position of having to wait months for my own natural test to come back.. That would be frustrating..

Any thoughts please anyone? How long to cruise for?

[Daz69]

I have already been on for about 6 months and I am really dreading like hell having to go off..How long can some one at my age (50) safely cruise for?

Whats a safe time limit.. I dont want to find myself in a position of having to wait months for my own natural test to come back.. That would be frustrating..

Any thoughts please anyone? How long to cruise for?

Never cruised for that long, but if your on a low dose, then coming off and effective PCT shouldn't be a problem.....

How much are you on..?

[mrgeeky]

I have already been on for about 6 months and I am really dreading like hell having to go off..How long can some one at my age (50) safely cruise for?

Whats a safe time limit.. I dont want to find myself in a position of having to wait months for my own natural test to come back.. That would be frustrating..

Any thoughts please anyone? How long to cruise for?

Never cruised for that long, but if your on a low dose, then coming off and effective PCT shouldn't be a problem.....

How much are you on..?

Im taking 7 x 40 mg test caps a day.. Only been on that higher dose for a serveral weeks or so.. before that I was taking a much lower dose.. Like 3 caps a day for the first few months..

[Daz69]

I have already been on for about 6 months and I am really dreading like hell having to go off..How long can some one at my age (50) safely cruise for?

Whats a safe time limit.. I dont want to find myself in a position of having to wait months for my own natural test to come back.. That would be frustrating..

Any thoughts please anyone? How long to cruise for?

Never cruised for that long, but if your on a low dose, then coming off and effective PCT shouldn't be a problem.....

How much are you on..?

Im taking 7 x 40 mg test caps a day.. Only been on that higher dose for a serveral weeks or so.. before that I was taking a much lower dose.. Like 3 caps a day for the first few months..

Shit... No idea of what you are on I thought you were pinning... Maybe you should, then grow like fuk......

[mrgeeky]

Never cruised for that long, but if your on a low dose, then coming off and effective PCT shouldn't be a problem.....

How much are you on..?

Im taking 7 x 40 mg test caps a day.. Only been on that higher dose for a serveral weeks or so.. before that I was taking a much lower dose.. Like 3 caps a day for the first few months..

Shit... No idea of what you are on I thought you were pinning... Maybe you should, then grow like fuk......

It's a learning curve mate.. Slowly getting there... Pinning is definitely an option in the future but at this stage just trying to get the basics and my health right.

[mrgeeky]

It can actually pay to study the bodily functions with respect to Testosterone, then you will know and understand most of these questions.

Knowing that when providing exogenous testosterone your body shhuts down it's own production would explain (in part) Question 1, 2 and possibly 3 depending on how much you learnt about it.

Google "hpta shutdown" and you will learn ALOT about the effects of exogenous testosterone in your body.

A1: If we stay on roids for a long long time our own bodies testosterone-producing system could shut-down permanently, or at least take many many months to kick back in. You have to have zero-exogenous Test in your system before your body will even consider producing it's own so we cycle on and off completely in the hope that we don't experience permanent shut-down.

Some cycles can last 6 months, some can last for years. You do so at your own risk and knowledge of your own body. Most start on 3-month cycle and if it works might do 4-month cycle next time if that went ok i.e. if their natural levels rebounded back to their previous levels, hence why it pays to get blood work down to tell you if you are returning to pre-cycle Test levels.

A2: HRT in a bodybuilders' world doesn't quite exist. There is something we use called 'cruising' but even that is prolly giving us a blood reading of 30-40nmols, not your natural level of 16nmol but levels of a 16y/old male. Then cycle in a higher amount for n-months, then cruise again. This is however "one continuous cycle". It's not cycling on and off testosterone so your body will still remain shut-down.

A3: PCT is usually required when you come off exogenous testosterone completely. It's not PCT if you take during the cycle that is more about controlling aromatization while taking roids (google it).

PCT assists in keeping your hormones balanced while your testosterone levels are low. As mentioned earlier your body will not start making it's own Testosterone again until all traces of exogenous Test is gone. So you HAVE to be prepared that you will drop to a Test level of 0...so you thought 16nmols felt low :-)

Anyway, when it is that low your Estrogen levels are in relation to Test, extremely high and out of balance. To avoid becoming a she-male you use Nolvadex or whatever to keep the Estrogen down during this period of time. Other PCT compounds like HCG will try and kick-start your own Test production...but most often people take stuff to keep the Estrogen levels down.

There's a start, that's roughly my understanding of things anyhoo...use Google and read about the HPTA function and read from all over the interweb and when you find common threads of understanding, that's usually the right information.

Here's some homework...find out why your balls shrink while taking exogenous testosterone :-)

Ok, just went back and read a previous post of Androids. I'm a dolt, he had already answered this query for me.. Problemo solved. Thank you Android..

[mrgeeky]

just for anyone following this thread.

I took my 4 x 40 mg test caps in the morning then took another 3 x 40 at about 7.30 PM, then the next morning about 9. am, before taking any more test I went and got my bloods done.

Im dumbfounded.. 8.2 nmol/L

Test capsules are crap crap crap crap crap crap crap.. I thought my results would be much higher than that.. :-(

Also I notice every one talking about their nuts shrinking a lot.

I have very little shrinkage after being on a HRT dose of Testosterone for 6 months now.

Ok so Im guessing my test intake has been low enough so that the PCT I'm currently going through is going to be relatively quick and simple??????

Anyway, thats where I'm at with it all.. cheers guys..

[mrgeeky]

Oh, I forgot to ask, does nut shrinkage size, have any relation to how hard it's going to be to bring back some one's own test?

What my intentions had been was to give it two weeks then start taking Nolvadex at 20mg per day for two weeks.. Considering the low dose of test I have been on, Im wondering if PCT / Nolvadex is even needed.. Any thoughts please?

Would it be a good idea to get my bloods done again every two weeks from now to see where Im at with my own test levels???

Any thoughts please guys..

[farrout]

Seriously man, I would stay on the caps & ask for a referral to an endo who will suggest & prescribe effective alternatives.

After weighing up all the currently available options, pinning Cyp weekly is the best for me

Even if I was to stop being prescribed, I would continue my current regime of Cyp & Adex. You can't put a price on quality of life.

[mrgeeky]

Seriously man, I would stay on the caps & ask for a referral to an endo who will suggest & prescribe effective alternatives.

After weighing up all the currently available options, pinning Cyp weekly is the best for me

Even if I was to stop being prescribed, I would continue my current regime of Cyp & Adex. You can't put a price on quality of life.

Hi Farrout

My doctor has already offered me the option of injecting test..so I dont need to see an endo.. I'll be taking him up on that offer next cycle..

I am going to keep cylcing though.. Im going to keep doing 6 month cycles as long as I can. When my own TEst fails to come back then I'll look at staying on. Until then Im not prepared to kill off my own test production.

To purposely do that just doesnt seem logical to me.

The downfall is I'll have to put up with feeling like shit for a month or two after every cycle. I can handle that though.

But yes, i do agree totally... Pinning the only way to go now.

[farrout]

Seriously man, I would stay on the caps & ask for a referral to an endo who will suggest & prescribe effective alternatives.

After weighing up all the currently available options, pinning Cyp weekly is the best for me

Even if I was to stop being prescribed, I would continue my current regime of Cyp & Adex. You can't put a price on quality of life.

Hi Farrout

My doctor has already offered me the option of injecting test..so I dont need to see an endo.. I'll be taking him up on that offer next cycle..

I am going to keep cylcing though.. Im going to keep doing 6 month cycles as long as I can. When my own TEst fails to come back then I'll look at staying on. Until then Im not prepared to kill off my own test production.

To purposely do that just doesnt seem logical to me.

The downfall is I'll have to put up with feeling like shit for a month or two after every cycle. I can handle that though.

But yes, i do agree totally... Pinning the only way to go now.

That's great that your GP can prescribe test. Mine claimed that he only had the authority to issue the Androderm patches, which as you know where ok apart from the paintball look ... :pfft:

[mrgeeky]

Im going to use this thread as my diary..

REad up on Nolvadex today. No way Im taking that if I can help it.. Not after all I have read up on it.. Apart from other things its a carcenagenic. STuff that.

Currently researching clomid.

I used to have very foggy thinking, lethargy and feelings of I guess what was depression before I started HRT.. The old familiar feelings appear to be returning..

I thought test lingered around in your system for days or weeks? Surely PCT cant be this bad?

Will hang in there and see how I feel tomorrow..

Also after reading some of the threads and realising plenty in here have suffered from Gynecomastia is a bit of an eye opener..

Its certainly not all a bed of roses like I thought it was.

The more I read up on it, the more I learn the more sense it makes to stay on permanently.. Im so tempted to go grab and handful of test caps and swallow them right now.. lol

[mrgeeky]

f*ck it.. Im hopeless..

couldnt handle it.. and its only been a couple of days..

Swallowed a handful..

Looks like Im on for life...

And on another note..

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[thatwaslight]

that isnt gyno thats a morbidly obese fat piece of shit

[farrout]

that isnt gyno thats a morbidly obese fat piece of shit

LOL ... funny man ... :pfft:

[farrout]

f*ck it.. Im hopeless..

couldnt handle it.. and its only been a couple of days..

Swallowed a handful..

Looks like Im on for life...

You could do worse things man ... :nod:

[mrgeeky]

that isnt gyno thats a morbidly obese fat piece of shit

lol yeah funny...

If I ever had titties like that, fat or not, I would be looking for a rope and making a noose.

[mrgeeky]

f*ck it.. Im hopeless..

couldnt handle it.. and its only been a couple of days..

Swallowed a handful..

Looks like Im on for life...

You could do worse things man ... :nod:

hmmm, not so sure... I hope like hell Im not going to regret this in years to come.. But for now... Yeehaaaaaaaaaaaaa lol Im going to make teh most of it..

:-)

[mrgeeky]

hey farrout or anyone in the know..

now that Im on permanent.. how do the rules apply when taking much higher doses..

Does some one on HRT still have to run cycles exactly like anyone not on HRT? Or can you just inject a high dose this week and not next type of thing..

Question may sound ignorant but wont know the answer unless I ask..

I have downloaded quite a bit of info, anabolic steroid bible etc..

Just ask if anyone wants me to post a link to some great reading material..

still havent got to read it myself but its on my to do list over the next week or so... let me know if you guys want copies of it..

[severe]

that isnt gyno thats a morbidly obese fat piece of shit

Hell yeah, what a terrible attempt at misinformation.

And mrgeeky, who gives a shit if your nuts shrink, you don't carry them on your arms for everyone to see. And the mrs won't care, even if she notices, as you aren't using them for the ground and pound...

You can be hesitant forever, or get it going asap.

Pin for life and you never need to worry about pct, and at 50, go for it. You aren't looking at a gram a week, but a mild dose to reverse the effects of a declining test level.

The sooner you jump in, the sooner you will know from pure experience if it is good for you or not.

Comparing effects of hormones, LSD, marijuana, porno etc on individuals and hoping that they react the same is fairly moot. Basics are the same, but results vary quit considerably.

Like any gamble, you have to be in to win. Or accept the results you have.

edit: instead of a higher dose every odd week, then a low dose every even week, why not find a midway point and pin that every week instead?

so instead of say 400, 200, 400, 200, do a 300, 300, 300 etc.

[mrgeeky]

that isnt gyno thats a morbidly obese fat piece of shit

Hell yeah, what a terrible attempt at misinformation.

And mrgeeky, who gives a shit if your nuts shrink, you don't carry them on your arms for everyone to see. And the mrs won't care, even if she notices, as you aren't using them for the ground and pound...

You can be hesitant forever, or get it going asap.

Pin for life and you never need to worry about pct, and at 50, go for it. You aren't looking at a gram a week, but a mild dose to reverse the effects of a declining test level.

The sooner you jump in, the sooner you will know from pure experience if it is good for you or not.

Comparing effects of hormones, LSD, marijuana, porno etc on individuals and hoping that they react the same is fairly moot. Basics are the same, but results vary quit considerably.

Like any gamble, you have to be in to win. Or accept the results you have.

edit: instead of a higher dose every odd week, then a low dose every even week, why not find a midway point and pin that every week instead?

so instead of say 400, 200, 400, 200, do a 300, 300, 300 etc.

Nuts wasnt too worried about shrinkage.. More about what the affect is on my body that makes the old nuts shrivel up..

Some one posted before that I need to research that.. Which is on my list of to do.. So much to learn. So much to research.. Slowly getting there.

I have already jumped in.. Been on for 6 months now. Just thought I would take a break so I dont lose my own test producing ability.. But I never realised it was going to make me feel that bad. I still recall some one previously saying, if you think low test is bad, wait to you feel zero test..

Well Im guessing I never even got to zero test but all teh feelings of feeling like utter shit came flooding back.. Yep, you guys are right.. Time to get over it and stay on.. Done deal.. And yes, definitely going to start pinning.

And yep, trying to work out a correct dose for me.. Im a little worried the doc wants me on a low dosage to replicate a realistic level for some one of my age. Im thinking stuff that.. If Im on for life, then why not set the level at a decent level where I feel really good.. So thats the biggy for me at the moment..

If he is going to keep me on a low dose then im going to grab all the external shit I can and take it to make me feel better.. Obviously by doing my research first and making sure I'm going about it right.

If he will allow me to set the level at a decent level then I would be happy with that and wouldnt need larger doses.. Although doing the odd cycle isnt going to hurt right? :-)

So thats where Im at.. Appreciate the comments severe, dicussing it and bouncing thoughts of others is certainly helping me to get my head around all this..

Im going to start posting some links to stuff, if its not allowed or not wanted or Im doing anything wrong.. Some one let me know please.. Otherwise here is the first one.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/34092039/Anabolics_2009.pdf

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/34092039/The%20 ... oks%29.zip

Edited to add

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/34092039/TheUlt ... ibrary.zip

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/34092039/Willia ... eroids.zip

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/34092039/traini ... 20diet.zip

Please note guys, I havent read any of this stuff myself yet so am not endorsing it.. Obviously make up your own minds if its worth while reading..

I will read it myself as I get the chance..

[mrgeeky]

that second link is to Paelo diet what ever that is..

some one posted a link to it before. Not sure if its worth a read. more to come soon..

[farrout]

that second link is to Paelo diet what ever that is..

some one posted a link to it before. Not sure if its worth a read. more to come soon..

Thanks man, however I couldn't open the Paelo folder.

I have the Kindle version of William Llewllyn's Anabolics on my iPod - 10 bucks US, you can't go wrong. It is an awesome resource

Below is the Editorial Review from Amazon.

Editorial Reviews

Product Description

William Llewellyn's ANABOLICS is the most comprehensive guide to performance-enhancing drugs ever written. This monster encyclopedia covers it all, from steroids, to growth hormone, insulin, and just about every imaginable agent in-between. With over 800 medical citations, ANABOLICS cuts right to the science. You'll learn everything there is to know about this controversial subject, from one of the most trusted experts in the field.

A few reasons why William Llewellyn's ANABOLICS remains the #1 Bestselling Anabolic Reference Guide worldwide: - Nearly 200 Pharmaceutical Compounds reviewed. - Graphs and Diagrams help visually explain the different properties of the performance drugs. - Extensive Side Effects discussion, with detailed explanations of the risks of anabolics, as well as effective prevention and harm reduction strategies. - Informative Steroid Cycling and Stacking sections help take the guesswork out of cycle construction. Maximize your benefits; minimize your costs and side effects. - More Counterfeits exposed than ever before! Includes a new chapter on Advanced Detection Techniques! - Dig into the science behind anabolics, with Steroid and Muscle Biochemistry sections that won't find in University textbooks.

ANABOLICS is trusted because it is the most accurate and relevant guide. Whether you are interested in using these substances, or simply want to research them - this is the must have book on anabolics.

[mrgeeky]

that second link is to Paelo diet what ever that is..

some one posted a link to it before. Not sure if its worth a read. more to come soon..

Thanks man, however I couldn't open the Paelo folder.

I have the Kindle version of William Llewllyn's Anabolics on my iPod - 10 bucks US, you can't go wrong. It is an awesome resource

Below is the Editorial Review from Amazon.

Editorial Reviews

Product Description

William Llewellyn's ANABOLICS is the most comprehensive guide to performance-enhancing drugs ever written. This monster encyclopedia covers it all, from steroids, to growth hormone, insulin, and just about every imaginable agent in-between. With over 800 medical citations, ANABOLICS cuts right to the science. You'll learn everything there is to know about this controversial subject, from one of the most trusted experts in the field.

A few reasons why William Llewellyn's ANABOLICS remains the #1 Bestselling Anabolic Reference Guide worldwide: - Nearly 200 Pharmaceutical Compounds reviewed. - Graphs and Diagrams help visually explain the different properties of the performance drugs. - Extensive Side Effects discussion, with detailed explanations of the risks of anabolics, as well as effective prevention and harm reduction strategies. - Informative Steroid Cycling and Stacking sections help take the guesswork out of cycle construction. Maximize your benefits; minimize your costs and side effects. - More Counterfeits exposed than ever before! Includes a new chapter on Advanced Detection Techniques! - Dig into the science behind anabolics, with Steroid and Muscle Biochemistry sections that won't find in University textbooks.

ANABOLICS is trusted because it is the most accurate and relevant guide. Whether you are interested in using these substances, or simply want to research them - this is the must have book on anabolics.

already got it..

;-)

New folder added and more to come..

Drop box is a bit flakey at times farrout.. If you give it a little while and try that download again it will or should kick in and start working / downloading at some stage..