THE NATIONALS THREAD!

[2guns]

What would the rest of you say if asked "what do you want to achieve from bodybuilding?"

for myself, i have a list of goals with bodybuilding. but want to be healthy and live long afterwards and during the bodybuilding of course.

and i know this is possible

[waldo]

I want big arms from bodybuilding, so I can wear a singlet in summer.

On a serious note....I started bodybuilding, or at least learning the principles to lose weight (ended up dropping 35-40kg in a year), and I want to maintain a physique that is healthy and more pleasing to the eye than the normal average white man. I say better than the average white man because I don't think I could compete with some of the island genetics!

[Pseudonym]

I'd never really thought about it in those terms until now, Waldo, but a lot of the physiques I measure my progresss against are Islanders'. So I guess one of my goals is to be have a white man's physique that can hold its own against Island genetics. :grin:

[2guns]

I want big arms from bodybuilding, so I can wear a singlet in summer.

me too!!! :pfft:

[Andrew]

want to be healthy and live long afterwards and during the bodybuilding of course

doesn’t the side effects (short and long term) of the gear your taking make this hard to achieve?

[Marcus]

Thats a pretty general statement Andrew. Using gear isn't neccesarily going to effect your lifespan. Yes there are risks, but I think its the abuse of chemicals that really starts effecting your health.

Just got to find the balance.

[Andrew]

That was in the form of a question not a statement….but I do believe that if you want to be a pro and get to the top you would in some degree have to abuse chemicals and in turn this will affect your health.

[Marcus]

I agree if you want to go pro & be competitive these days, however I do believe you can be a healthy bodybuilder & be on gear at the same time.

[2guns]

doesn’t the side effects (short and long term) of the gear your taking make this hard to achieve?

who said im taking gear?

[2guns]

but want to be healthy and live long afterwards and during the bodybuilding of course.

you can still be an unhealthy bodybuilder, natural or not.

if your eating fast food to get your calories even if not taking gear, i consider this unhealthy, if your overtraining this can be unhealthy, dehydrating yourself too much before a show can be bad for u.

my statement wasnt referring to my so called use of gear but to all aspects of bodybuilding

[Andrew]

who said im taking gear?

You have in severely of the post’s you’re put on here ….that and the fact you can tell by your physique

[2guns]

You have in severely of the post’s you’re put on here ….that and the fact you can tell by your physique

bullshit, ive never said anything on this site bout "what i take"

if u can quote anything of my posts where i say id like to know, ive only asked bout it and dicussed it on this site, never my own experience or cycles what ever that may be.

and u can tell by my physique? how can u do this? im not mass monster.

i could say the same bout u.

just because i dont do nzfbb dont jump to conclusions

[Andrew]

bullshit, ive never said anything on this site bout "what i take"

Why don’t you? All the other guys on here that are on gear are very open and honest about it.. or are you not on gear?

and u can tell by my physique? how can u do this?

When your been around long enough you can tell the difference between a gear built physique and a non-gear built physique (not saying one is better then the other just different) and I’m sure I’m not the only one that would say this

[2guns]

this is my bussiness, people can make up their own minds. it doesnt bother me what people think

[2guns]

also by the way, im not anonymous on this site like many ans i think if everybody was known then ther would be alot less discussion about steroids and peoples various cycles

would u agree?

[Andrew]

Ok here’s something I don’t get if there’s so many gear use’s and your all so pro steroid use and want it to be able to be freely used in the sport why do so many hide the fact that there on them? And why do natural body builders freely state that (that there natural) fact but gear uses don’t?

[poos_n_wees]

[Pittbull]

Ok here’s something I don’t get if there’s so many gear use’s and your all so pro steroid use and want it to be able to be freely used in the sport why do so many hide the fact that there on them? And why do natural body builders freely state that (that there natural) fact but gear uses don’t?

Not to burst ya bubble here but a huge amount of the self professed "natural" bodybuilders are using also. Please don't be so naive!

[MasterTel]

I think that is what Andrew is saying, Pitbull - in other words, a number of self professed "natural" bodybuilders are using i.e. users claiming they are not using. On the other hand, you don't get many, if any, true natural bodybuilders saying they are using!

IMO, I don't really care is someone admits to using or not. My problem is people who use competing in events for "clean" athletes.

An interesting question would be - if we had events or special classes which are not tested, would it stop "users" competing in tested events? Perhaps a bit, but not competely.

[Pittbull]

I think that is what Andrew is saying, Pitbull - in other words, a number of self professed "natural" bodybuilders are using i.e. users claiming they are not using. On the other hand, you don't get many, if any, true natural bodybuilders saying they are using!

IMO, I don't really care is someone admits to using or not. My problem is people who use competing in events for "clean" athletes.

An interesting question would be - if we had events or special classes which are not tested, would it stop "users" competing in tested events? Perhaps a bit, but not competely.

Ahh ok, my ban there I mis interperted what was said.

"An interesting question would be - if we had events or special classes which are not tested, would it stop "users" competing in tested events? Perhaps a bit, but not competely"

Interesting indeed, I personally don't think that it'd make a huge differance. Take the olympics for instance, it's always been a "tested" event but will always have people trying to break olympic records & gain gold medals for themselves & their country through the use of performance enhancing substances & many of them get away with it!

[Andrew]

Not to burst ya bubble here but a huge amount of the self professed "natural" bodybuilders are using also. Please don't be so naive!

I absolutely realise that there are some people who are on gear and compete in “natural” competitions (INBA) and I think these people are a disgrace to body building and I would hope that even there fellow gear use’s would frown upon them

Please don’t misunderstand me as having some mission for making body building a drug free sport as this would be like banging my head against a brick wall …. It would just be nice to for the guy’s on gear to realise that if it wasn’t for the fact that they are on gear they wouldn’t be what they are..I’ve see many guy’s use gear put on 5-10kgs muscle in a very short amount of time then start walking around like there hot shit because of this

[Ann]

:pfft:

[2guns]

good post ann.

eat right food, train hard, take small doses of gear and u will get the best results of your life with minimal health risk.

you dont need heaps of the shit to get great results, people only take lots to compensate for their shit eating habits and lazy training.

[Andrew]

It doesn’t frustrate me it drives me…if I can achieve the near same results as a natural body builder that steroid user’s do then in my mind that makes me the better competitor.

Yes I agree that some natural competitors use the “steroid card” as a cop-out and it’s a shame.

[Pittbull]

It doesn’t frustrate me it drives me…if I can achieve the near same results as a natural body builder that steroid user’s do then in my mind that makes me the better competitor.

Yes I agree that some natural competitors use the “steroid card” as a cop-out and it’s a shame.

Well I for one commend you on your determination & sticking to what you value & believe in, all the gear issues aside I think it’s great to have a decent discussion with someone as passionate on the subject as I am but from the opposite end of the scale. I hope you do well in future comps bro.