FULL Ass Touching Squat bounces

[tgzerozone]

Was at the gym yesterday feeling so chuffed with myself that I am nearing the 100 kg squats (90 degree parallel) again, when next to me this guy was doing ass touching 150kg squats yet...

Although this guy probably has much more strength than me, I was feeling very sorry for his knees (Being a knee handicapped person myself).

I was wondering what he was doing, whether it was healthy to the knees. He seemed to decent very quick and do a sort of a bounce from the bottom on the ascend again, nothing like a 3-1-3, more like a 2-0-3.

Besides his knees, I also wonder what this was doing to his lower back.

Am I wrong on this one?

EDIT (Fark, just showed a work collegue what this guy was doing and already hurt my lower back)

[Dinahlady]

Poliquin says that by going hammy touching calf it actually puts less pressure on your knees in the correct form.

If you think about how your knee is moving if you only go to 90 degrees when you change the direction you are push back against the resistance and the knee is basically "half open" and there is not much support for it. whereas if you squat hammy touching calf you have that support of your hammy touching your calf to help you push against the resistance which is going to be the point of the movement which has the most pressure.

You can demo this by like making two fists and locking your knuckles together to replicate the knee joint (its not accurate dont be a spoil sport). then pivoting at your knuckles and you should be able to equate that to where 90 degrees of movement would be for the joint and see how much less support is there compared to a full rotation.

I have no idea if this is scientifically true this is just what I have been told by poliquin coaches and I squat like this and my knees are more than fine (in fact I used to have knee pain after squatting to 90 and I never have knee pain ever now)

Sorry for unscientific explanation.

[Dinahlady]

Dont agree with bouncing though. poliquin is generally 4 0 1 (I think thats how you write it for 4 being the negetive) but as its 4 on the neg your going pretty slow so its not really bouncy. and it could hurt your lowerback if your upper body isnt staying upright with the movement. Or if you have built weakness in your lower back through other ways.

[tgzerozone]

Yup, please note though, I am not questioning the calf touching hammy, just the rate of decent and the bounce at the bottom.

[HarryB]

Golgi tendon reflex... that's all I am saying.

[Dinahlady]

Yup, please note though, I am not questioning the calf touching hammy, just the rate of decent and the bounce at the bottom.

Then why go to 90?!?!?!? esp if you have bad knees?!?!?

[tgzerozone]

Me going to 90? Well, to tell you the truth, I always though that was better but will definitely take your points to heart. If I go down that far, I sure as hell aint going to hop up and down. I would use the same controlled decent and acsent as with 90.

[Dinahlady]

Me going to 90? Well, to tell you the truth, I always though that was better but will definitely take your points to heart. If I go down that far, I sure as hell aint going to hop up and down. I would use the same controlled decent and acsent as with 90.

Good man. Wow someone actually considering my pov on here. Just try it out real light to start with.

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[tinytraps]

Bouncing isnt necesarily bad for your knees. If you gradually build into it then it is fine (just like anything) However if you have never done a2g squats with a bounce and jump straight into them you will hurt yourself.

Definetley agree with Dinah on the knee issue. As soon as I switched to high bar olympic squats (like in the vid above) I have had no knee issues.

[musclenz]

Technically ATG is the way to go but if your a BBer most go to 90 deg or just below parallel to keep constant tension on the quads. Go below & your going to be gettin a big ol glute arse. You can tell the BBers who train like this my GF included :pfft:

[Chemo]

Don't bounce! I took that ATG or your doing it wrong advice and applied it.

I ruptured a tendon on a front squat, was only 80kgs too O__O

It took a year and a bit to heal.

Take it slow and be careful with that shit. Stretch before your try it at least

I like what MNZ is saying too, I like the feeling of box squats and just below 90, that stopping point is mighty hard to explode out of and I feel the tension is much greater. Has to be good for the quads.

[tomleegolf]

I reckon you should only bounce if you're wearing knee wraps