Liquid Proviron & Winstrol ...

[I Declare War]

25mg/day..... no biggie......... :roll:

Maybe you don't understand how the Pharmacies work in Thailand.

There's the big conglomerates like we have here such as Radius and Amcal... they've got one called Booths for example. That's the chain I get my Prov from. My girlfriend's family has close links through business to them and can get most meds without prescription.

Then you have the small independant owner operated pharmacies in areas of high tourist activity. It's these that sell underground gear. Basically they sell stuff like what we get here on the underground. They do this ilegally. The Underground lab will approach them and make a deal with them.

So what I'm saying here is... that I buy my Prov from a 100% proper pharmacy. Actually, even the Prov in the small indepents is usually legit. It's not an item that is counterfeited often.

Prov is great for its SHBG effects tho.. and does seem to potentiate whatever test I'm running... so just because it doesn't directly contribute to muscle mass increase doesn't mean it doesn't help.

Yeah all the UG Proviron in NZ is crap. Its much easier to go over to Thailand & get some made by Schering Plough

I have regular visits from my inlaws... one condition of them staying is "bring 3 boxes of proviron". lol

For you regular folks.. out of luck

[Daz69]

Mine are legit... they're from a proper pharmacy, not the dodgy ones.

..... Yeh right..... :pfft:

Yeah, it does interact with SHBG... but it's a bit much sayn "I gained 3kg due to the proviron". How the heck can ya measure that.

What he might have been better saying is: he came off cycle and his weight increased by 3kgs, he believed the effects of Proviron were a contributory factor....

I don't go over 50mg/day. How much do you run Daz69?

25mg/day..... no biggie......... :roll:

Maybe you don't understand how the Pharmacies work in Thailand.

I do understand... I'm just winding you up...!!!!

There's the big conglomerates like we have here such as Radius and Amcal... they've got one called Booths for example. That's the chain I get my Prov from. My girlfriend's family has close links through business to them and can get most meds without prescription.

Then you have the small independant owner operated pharmacies in areas of high tourist activity. It's these that sell underground gear. Basically they sell stuff like what we get here on the underground. They do this ilegally. The Underground lab will approach them and make a deal with them.

So what I'm saying here is... that I buy my Prov from a 100% proper pharmacy. Actually, even the Prov in the small indepents is usually legit. It's not an item that is counterfeited often.

Prov is great for its SHBG effects tho.. and does seem to potentiate whatever test I'm running... so just because it doesn't directly contribute to muscle mass increase doesn't mean it doesn't help.

Thats what I've been trying to say......

[Daz69]

Maybe you don't understand how the Pharmacies work in Thailand.

There's the big conglomerates like we have here such as Radius and Amcal... they've got one called Booths for example. That's the chain I get my Prov from. My girlfriend's family has close links through business to them and can get most meds without prescription.

Then you have the small independant owner operated pharmacies in areas of high tourist activity. It's these that sell underground gear. Basically they sell stuff like what we get here on the underground. They do this ilegally. The Underground lab will approach them and make a deal with them.

So what I'm saying here is... that I buy my Prov from a 100% proper pharmacy. Actually, even the Prov in the small indepents is usually legit. It's not an item that is counterfeited often.

Prov is great for its SHBG effects tho.. and does seem to potentiate whatever test I'm running... so just because it doesn't directly contribute to muscle mass increase doesn't mean it doesn't help.

Yeah all the UG Proviron in NZ is crap. Its much easier to go over to Thailand & get some made by Schering Plough

I have regular visits from my inlaws... one condition of them staying is "bring 3 boxes of proviron". lol

For you regular folks.. out of luck

Been in luck for the last 30 years with UK pharma gear.....

Now I'm having the pleasure experiencing quality NZ made underground products from Titan... made from Pharma grade powders.... Not inferior grade powders which are easier to source & considerably cheaper used by Apollo, Empire, NC etc.......

just sayin...................... :roll:

[farrout]

Yeah all the UG Proviron in NZ is crap. Its much easier to go over to Thailand & get some made by Schering Plough

I have regular visits from my inlaws... one condition of them staying is "bring 3 boxes of proviron". lol

For you regular folks.. out of luck

Been in luck for the last 30 years with UK pharma gear.....

Now I'm having the pleasure experiencing quality NZ made underground products from Titan... made from Pharma grade powders.... Not inferior grade powders which are easier to source & considerably cheaper used by Apollo, Empire, NC etc.......

just sayin...................... :roll:

+1

Repped ... :nod:

[tomsammce]

Powder is powder. What would you know Daz... Pharmacy grade powder and inferior powders... What's the diff exactly?

Pharm grade and ug gear is distinguished by the lab and conditions it's made in not by the origin of the powder.

And farrout what the f*ck is this +1 shit?? Look at ur profile pic u dnt know shit mate! Strong obvious is fucking obvious!

[thatwaslight]

Yeah all the UG Proviron in NZ is crap. Its much easier to go over to Thailand & get some made by Schering Plough

I have regular visits from my inlaws... one condition of them staying is "bring 3 boxes of proviron". lol

For you regular folks.. out of luck

Been in luck for the last 30 years with UK pharma gear.....

Now I'm having the pleasure experiencing quality NZ made underground products from Titan... made from Pharma grade powders.... Not inferior grade powders which are easier to source & considerably cheaper used by Apollo, Empire, NC etc.......

just sayin...................... :roll:

lol what a load of shit! how do you know where they are sourcing there powder from? and how do you know titan powder is "pharma"??? i know people that are using titan tren and its doing absolutely nothing...iv'e seen apollo 50mg/ml tren ace that is darker than titan 100mg per ml. i'm not one to start brand wars but to come out and say all other brands use inferior powder LOL

[internet warrior]

Powder is powder. What would you know Daz... Pharmacy grade powder and inferior powders... What's the diff exactly?

Pharm grade and ug gear is distinguished by the lab and conditions it's made in not by the origin of the powder.

And farrout what the f*ck is this +1 shit?? Look at ur profile pic u dnt know shit mate! Strong obvious is fucking obvious!

Where titan has been mentioned, tom will surely follow...

[thatwaslight]

I have regular visits from my inlaws... one condition of them staying is "bring 3 boxes of proviron". lol

For you regular folks.. out of luck

Been in luck for the last 30 years with UK pharma gear.....

Now I'm having the pleasure experiencing quality NZ made underground products from Titan... made from Pharma grade powders.... Not inferior grade powders which are easier to source & considerably cheaper used by Apollo, Empire, NC etc.......

just sayin...................... :roll:

+1

Repped ... :nod:

another wizard that is part of quality control at titan growth industries? :roll: :roll:

[farrout]

Powder is powder. What would you know Daz... Pharmacy grade powder and inferior powders... What's the diff exactly?

Pharm grade and ug gear is distinguished by the lab and conditions it's made in not by the origin of the powder.

And farrout what the f*ck is this +1 shit?? Look at ur profile pic u dnt know shit mate! Strong obvious is fucking obvious!

Whatever cock.

[thatwaslight]

Powder is powder. What would you know Daz... Pharmacy grade powder and inferior powders... What's the diff exactly?

Pharm grade and ug gear is distinguished by the lab and conditions it's made in not by the origin of the powder.

And farrout what the f*ck is this +1 shit?? Look at ur profile pic u dnt know shit mate! Strong obvious is fucking obvious!

Whatever cock.

tom does have a point, how are you in a position to label other brands as 'inferior'???

[tomsammce]

All I'm doing is correcting someone ppl speel out far too much incorrect info in this steroid section and it's bullshit.

If u actually believe there is a difference from 1kg if test e powder to another 1kg of test enanthate powder then you are either truley stupid or your just posting for the sake of it which is even more fucking stupid!

The brain capacity of the majority of ppl in this part of the forum is an embarassment to bodybuilding. One week your asking noob as f*ck questions fortnight later you know everything... Fucken wankers!

Internet warrior, that's y u changed ur account y used to be masssive on here what happened? Wanted to drop the phaggy brainless rep u had? Yeah lol brah..

Ppl have posted blood results on Apollo gear and even musclenz said they are great test results, which is true. I'm not bias and I'm not a shit talker, spade is always a spade with me, always has been.

[tomsammce]

Farrout how are u qualified to comment?

Mate my 15 year old brother looks better than u, he plays soccer and never stepped foot in a gym... And you do steroids???

[Phedder]

Let's not turn this into another slug fest between brands please, guys.

Civil discussion is welcome and encouraged, but no need for personal attacks :naughty:

[Chemo]

Can we please make a Titan vs the world thread, and keep that shit in there.

Any other NZUG brand actually make prov?

[farrout]

Farrout how are u qualified to comment?

Mate my 15 year old brother looks better than u, he plays soccer and never stepped foot in a gym... And you do steroids???

Thank God literally that you were not 36 kg at 16 with a 28" chest.

[I Declare War]

Farrout how are u qualified to comment?

Mate my 15 year old brother looks better than u, he plays soccer and never stepped foot in a gym... And you do steroids???

Thank God literally that you were not 36 kg at 16 with a 28" chest.

Stop saying that... you were only that weight because you didn't know how to eat and you've resorted to steroids out of sheer ignorance. Look at your profile pic... you could have gotten 10x bigger than that with just food and good training alone.

[farrout]

Farrout how are u qualified to comment?

Mate my 15 year old brother looks better than u, he plays soccer and never stepped foot in a gym... And you do steroids???

Thank God literally that you were not 36 kg at 16 with a 28" chest.

Stop saying that... you were only that weight because you didn't know how to eat and you've resorted to steroids out of sheer ignorance. Look at your profile pic... you could have gotten 10x bigger than that with just food and good training alone.

You would know, you were there ...

I wasn't born an overgrown dork.

[Daz69]

All I'm doing is correcting someone ppl speel out far too much incorrect info in this steroid section and it's bullshit.

If u actually believe there is a difference from 1kg if test e powder to another 1kg of test enanthate powder then you are either truley stupid or your just posting for the sake of it which is even more fucking stupid!

The brain capacity of the majority of ppl in this part of the forum is an embarassment to bodybuilding. One week your asking noob as f*ck questions fortnight later you know everything... Fucken wankers!

Internet warrior, that's y u changed ur account y used to be masssive on here what happened? Wanted to drop the phaggy brainless rep u had? Yeah lol brah..

Ppl have posted blood results on Apollo gear and even musclenz said they are great test results, which is true. I'm not bias and I'm not a shit talker, spade is always a spade with me, always has been.

Correct Tom..... Recognition was given to Apollo but still certain individuals continued to slag Titan gear at every opportunity......

If you can't take it, don't give it out.... just winding you up boys.... :pfft:

Goodnight..................

[musclenz]

All I'm doing is correcting someone ppl speel out far too much incorrect info in this steroid section and it's bullshit.

If u actually believe there is a difference from 1kg if test e powder to another 1kg of test enanthate powder then you are either truley stupid or your just posting for the sake of it which is even more fucking stupid!The brain capacity of the majority of ppl in this part of the forum is an embarassment to bodybuilding. One week your asking noob as f*ck questions fortnight later you know everything... Fucken wankers!

Internet warrior, that's y u changed ur account y used to be masssive on here what happened? Wanted to drop the phaggy brainless rep u had? Yeah lol brah..

Ppl have posted blood results on Apollo gear and even musclenz said they are great test results, which is true. I'm not bias and I'm not a shit talker, spade is always a spade with me, always has been.

I'm sorry Tom but I will have to correct you on this one There is a difference I can assure you. The more expensive grades, x4 the stuff Joe Bloggs is using in his garage, is supplied with a certificate of purity. Each batch is supplied with a unbroken seal containing the lab details & traceable to the day it was manufactured & tested. This is what Pharmaceutical Companies purchase for obvious reasons of quality & control. Inferior powders can contain Phenol (carbolic acid) which is a by product of the ester manfacture process & other impurities which are often not removed.

Disclaimer....the information contained in this message is supplied from an undisclosed source. 8)

[thatwaslight]

let the results speak for them selves. none of this shit where people are just feathering their own nest......

these brand wars always end up the same. but it doesn't help when tooth picks who have done 2 cycles chime in to back up claims that are questionable in them selves....

[I Declare War]

let the results speak for them selves. none of this shit where people are just feathering their own nest......

these brand wars always end up the same. but it doesn't help when tooth picks who have done 2 cycles chime in to back up claims that are questionable in them selves....

I would rep you twl, but your bar is already full. hahaha

[Android]

All I'm doing is correcting someone ppl speel out far too much incorrect info in this steroid section and it's bullshit.

If u actually believe there is a difference from 1kg if test e powder to another 1kg of test enanthate powder then you are either truley stupid or your just posting for the sake of it which is even more fucking stupid!The brain capacity of the majority of ppl in this part of the forum is an embarassment to bodybuilding. One week your asking noob as f*ck questions fortnight later you know everything... Fucken wankers!

Internet warrior, that's y u changed ur account y used to be masssive on here what happened? Wanted to drop the phaggy brainless rep u had? Yeah lol brah..

Ppl have posted blood results on Apollo gear and even musclenz said they are great test results, which is true. I'm not bias and I'm not a shit talker, spade is always a spade with me, always has been.

I'm sorry Tom but I will have to correct you on this one There is a difference I can assure you. The more expensive grades, x4 the stuff Joe Bloggs is using in his garage, is supplied with a certificate of purity. Each batch is supplied with a unbroken seal containing the lab details & traceable to the day it was manufactured & tested. This is what Pharmaceutical Companies purchase for obvious reasons of quality & control. Inferior powders can contain Phenol (carbolic acid) which is a by product of the ester manfacture process & other impurities which are often not removed.

Disclaimer....the information contained in this message is supplied from an undisclosed source. 8)

Good honest post musclenz :clap: no personal attacks just knowledge presented in a "take it of leave it" fashion

[tomsammce]

The purity differences are minimal percentages which wouldn't even be noticed by ppl... All impurities are and should be taken care of when the person brewing it is making it up.

And it's all very well claiming the 'mystery' ppl behind Titan use the powder that is pharm grade but do they supply a photocopied print of the powder label to prove that.... Saying Titan uses those powders means nothing except that someone has said that... It's just a dodgy outfit run by dodgy people. Same people that are producing the black smiley printed pills loaded with one of the titans guys stash of bzp making everyone feel sick.

[farrout]

let the results speak for them selves. none of this shit where people are just feathering their own nest......

How contradictory, I was asked what brand I was using & then what benefits I had gained.

I stated facts from MY experience.

I am not responsible for a "brand war", nor did I start attacking anyone. It's all immature bullshit - grow up.

[I Declare War]

All I'm doing is correcting someone ppl speel out far too much incorrect info in this steroid section and it's bullshit.

If u actually believe there is a difference from 1kg if test e powder to another 1kg of test enanthate powder then you are either truley stupid or your just posting for the sake of it which is even more fucking stupid!The brain capacity of the majority of ppl in this part of the forum is an embarassment to bodybuilding. One week your asking noob as f*ck questions fortnight later you know everything... Fucken wankers!

Internet warrior, that's y u changed ur account y used to be masssive on here what happened? Wanted to drop the phaggy brainless rep u had? Yeah lol brah..

Ppl have posted blood results on Apollo gear and even musclenz said they are great test results, which is true. I'm not bias and I'm not a shit talker, spade is always a spade with me, always has been.

I'm sorry Tom but I will have to correct you on this one There is a difference I can assure you. The more expensive grades, x4 the stuff Joe Bloggs is using in his garage, is supplied with a certificate of purity. Each batch is supplied with a unbroken seal containing the lab details & traceable to the day it was manufactured & tested. This is what Pharmaceutical Companies purchase for obvious reasons of quality & control. Inferior powders can contain Phenol (carbolic acid) which is a by product of the ester manfacture process & other impurities which are often not removed.

Disclaimer....the information contained in this message is supplied from an undisclosed source. 8)

Pharmaceutical companies have their own labs or external labs under contract. Usually they don't go out and purchase a lot of the compound. They make it themselves. The reason powders on the underground market come from china is because that country is dodgy... the same labs that supply the pharmaceutical companies (even owned by the pharma companies) in that country sell to the black market (which is us as the consumer of UGL products). Same with the HGH market.. see GenSci Jintropin.. they got banned from selling in america because they were black marketing their product over to the country supplying the bodybuilders while trying to negotiate contracts with the pharmacy market.

Think for once how the supply chain works. Home Brewers (read Titan, Apollo.. etc) might buy their powder from an distributor located in an eastern European country. Where does this distributor get his powder from? Labs in China. Now, this is how it works.. he buys in bulk from China or wherever the lab may be. If he's smart he'll get a good grade powder along with an assay of the powder (as his business relies on this), he'll also probably do a melting point determination on his powder as well. Now don't kid yourself that outfits such as Titan get their powder from the lab directly... they get their powder from these same suppliers as everyone else. Even if they do get it from a lab direct, they will only be getting partial batches... the underground labs of this country are miniscule in the scheme of things.

If you ever get a powder.. do a melting point determination on it and see how sharp the melting point is and how close to the textbook value it is. That alone should tell you whether the powder is okay. Other impurities are minimal... it's what's done after that make a good product or a bad product. Add too much ba or scratch your balls while filling the vials... and yea you'll end up with some stingy unsanitary product. That's why you should never fully trust any underground lab.. how the hell do you know what their lab conditions are like? They're probably making it in a bedroom while surfing the net or typing on an Internet forum and watching porn.