First cycle- propionate only

[trademe900]

Will soon be undertaking my first cycle of propionate and keeping a log here.

I know some may say otherwise, particularly for a first cycle, but I wish to run Propionate. I do not mind the prospect of EOD pinning at all, which is the only disadvantage in my eyes. My plan is to run what some may call on the shorter side of a cycle, hitting it hard for 8 weeks @ 500mg per week, pinning every other day. I believe with the short ester that good gains will come soon and that with this cycle length I'll have an easier time coming off and going back on again. I also think that this ester is going to allow me to keep any sides in check and easy to manage; fast acting as it is. These are my main reasons for cycling prop, as well as it's good reputation from users. It really is the standout choice for me. I plan to start PCT 3 days after the last shot with Nolva @ 20/20/10/10.

[DANIEL8]

hey bro how come you chose a short estered first cycle? just curious? wouldnt u rather hit 2 pins of test e or sust a week instead? would cost you less aswell

gay you edited your post making me look like a tool, disregard this post lol

[train_insane]

Props the shit im running 700mg along with 350mg tren, but for me, the first month, my pinning sites were crippled for about 5days now its alot more managable

[trademe900]

Props the shit im running 700mg along with 350mg tren, but for me, the first month, my pinning sites were crippled for about 5days now its alot more managable

I plan to cut with sterile oil if pain is too unbearable. Did warming oil help a lot for you?

[tomsammce]

test is test bro... lighter ester weight with prop compared to test e and sus etc so ull actually be getting more testosterone per mg.

go hard.

[I Declare War]

Sounds like an okay first cycle.

You can pin that with 26g half inch pins if you're already lean enough. Also, remember to aspirate before you inject.

Draw it up with a 22g 1.5 inch or thereabouts.

Swab the top of the vial before drawing, wait 10-15 seconds. Inject the volume of air into the vial that you want to draw out... then draw it out.

I'd also suggest using alcohol swaps to swab down the injection site. Wait 10-15 seconds for the alcohol to evaporate and disinfect before proceeding.

[trademe900]

Sounds like an okay first cycle.

I'd also suggest using alcohol swaps to swab down the injection site. Wait 10-15 seconds for the alcohol to evaporate and disinfect before proceeding.

Very good point and that I will not forget. Crucial to wait until it's dry.

What is everyone's opinion on warming the oil and post-injection hot showers/baths?

[I Declare War]

Sounds like an okay first cycle.

I'd also suggest using alcohol swaps to swab down the injection site. Wait 10-15 seconds for the alcohol to evaporate and disinfect before proceeding.

Very good point and that I will not forget. Crucial to wait until it's dry.

What is everyone's opinion on warming the oil and post-injection hot showers/baths?

You'll be fine, you're injecting small volumes and if you follow my advice of using 26g's you'll hardly even feel it. You've got Titan prop, and I've never run into any stingy Titan prop... I think they intentionally have it a little bit underdosed...

You only really need to warm the oil if you've got swirling happening, and that usually only happens in gear that's overdosed.

[trademe900]

Before and after pictures to come with stats etc.

[DANIEL8]

stuff the showers and baths itd take to long, just swap and shoot and ull be done in 2mins including drawing time, woo! \:D/

[trademe900]

stuff the showers and baths itd take to long, just swap and shoot and ull be done in 2mins including drawing time, woo! \:D/

Yup, more than prepared to harden up but am just concerned about actually not physically being able to perform a squat workout etc. Anyway, have heard Titan prop does not sting so severely and this one has a low BA in it so it's fingers crossed. We'll see I guess.

[DANIEL8]

stuff the showers and baths itd take to long, just swap and shoot and ull be done in 2mins including drawing time, woo! \:D/

Yup, more than prepared to harden up but am just concerned about actually not physically being able to perform a squat workout etc. Anyway, have heard Titan prop does not sting so severely and this one has a low BA in it so it's fingers crossed. We'll see I guess.

good luck bro, keep us updated!

[severe]

What is everyone's opinion on warming the oil and post-injection hot showers/baths?

Use the heated towel rail, if you have one. Slip it inside the folds of a towel (with one layer betwen barrel and rail) and have a shower. Be nice and warm. It does flow better.

23g or 25g would be ok. 1" is what I used.

[trademe900]

What is everyone's opinion on warming the oil and post-injection hot showers/baths?

Use the heated towel rail, if you have one. Slip it inside the folds of a towel (with one layer betwen barrel and rail) and have a shower. Be nice and warm. It does flow better.

23g or 25g would be ok. 1" is what I used.

Yes, 1" should be sufficient for me I reckon and I have 23 and 25 on hand; although am also considering trying I Declare War's idea of 26g now. With so many injections ahead I'll find the sweet spot rather quickly anyway I should imagine!

[h-towngear]

dont worry after a couple of weeks you feel a thing after you inject, the Titan prop is pretty easy in the site

[trademe900]

dont worry after a couple of weeks you feel a thing after you inject, the Titan prop is pretty easy in the site

Good to hear!

[train_insane]

Props the shit im running 700mg along with 350mg tren, but for me, the first month, my pinning sites were crippled for about 5days now its alot more managable

I plan to cut with sterile oil if pain is too unbearable. Did warming oil help a lot for you?

In my opinion/experiance, nothing you do will dull the pain, when i 1st started the cycle i would warm up vials, try to inject slow, try not to move pin etc, and it fucken hurt the next day, its just a matter of time and getting used to it, im more irrattic injecting now and im fine. I wobble, i inject cold and sometimes i plunge that shit in. Like i said its a time thing with the pain. Nothing you do will prevent it crystalizing in the muscle, maybe cutting the oil but why would you want to inject plain oil with no active steroid in it. just my opinion

[trademe900]

Props the shit im running 700mg along with 350mg tren, but for me, the first month, my pinning sites were crippled for about 5days now its alot more managable

I plan to cut with sterile oil if pain is too unbearable. Did warming oil help a lot for you?

In my opinion/experiance, nothing you do will dull the pain, when i 1st started the cycle i would warm up vials, try to inject slow, try not to move pin etc, and it fucken hurt the next day, its just a matter of time and getting used to it, im more irrattic injecting now and im fine. I wobble, i inject cold and sometimes i plunge that shit in. Like i said its a time thing with the pain. Nothing you do will prevent it crystalizing in the muscle, maybe cutting the oil but why would you want to inject plain oil with no active steroid in it. just my opinion

Ok good info, come what may I'm definitely ready to harden up initially.

[train_insane]

where do you plan on injecting??

[trademe900]

Quite an interesting take on the 'Test is test' argument. Does Prop really cause less water retention and bloating? Have a read: http://www.isteroids.com/steroid-esters/

where do you plan on injecting??

gluteus medius and quads if I can get away with it, with deltoids on standby. Will see how well the sites take the beating.

[trademe900]

where do you plan on injecting??

Ventral glute and quads if I can get away with it, with deltoids on standby. Will see how well the sites take the beating.

[trademe900]

May as well elaborate a little on training and things:

Interests have changed over time and I now like to take less of a traditional bb approach and incorporate a lot of full body heavy circuits and sprints, along with weighted functional bodyweight training like muscle ups, rope climbing, and some ring work. For me it's hard to look past the unique physiques of 100m sprinters or those of pure functional power. I also emphasize a lot on variety and mixing things up.

At the moment I plan to do something like the following but will see how it goes and listen to my body, adjusting accordingly.

Monday: Vertical push and pull. Sprinting session later.

Tuesday: Whole body heavy circuits (usually something like deadlifts, db bench, clean and press, core work).

Wednesday: Legs

Thursday: Horizontal push and pull.

Friday: Hill sprinting

Saturday: Heavy functional circuits- muscle ups, handstand push ups, rope climbing, jump squats. Boxing.

Sunday: Rest

Day to day diet is a hell of a lot of fish (mainly mackerel, tuna and plenty of salmon for fatty acids), salads, eggs, nuts, rye bread, bran, pasta; at least 5 meals a day keeping the thyroid and metabolism jacked. Going to try and stay low on the sodium for water retention.

[I Declare War]

Quite an interesting take on the 'Test is test' argument. Does Prop really cause less water retention and bloating? Have a read: http://www.isteroids.com/steroid-esters/

where do you plan on injecting??

gluteus medius and quads if I can get away with it, with deltoids on standby. Will see how well the sites take the beating.

don't worry about the water retention and bloating either... it should not be an issue at the dosages you're planning on running.

pin anywhere you've got enough meat and where there aren't tendons, veins or arteries in the way.

that being said, I don't like pinning the quads... with me.. the muscles there seem too dense and it makes it harder to pin than other areas. plus there's some pretty big veins running down your legs that you really should avoid hitting.

also, don't worry about the supposed pain before the fact... you may not even get any. you've just got to bare with it at first, if you do get it, and adjust... after a while you will not feel any pain... provided your gear is made properly. a little bit of pain maybe with properly dosed prop but it's not that damn bad.

just do it... don't over analyse. 8)

[trademe900]

Quite an interesting take on the 'Test is test' argument. Does Prop really cause less water retention and bloating? Have a read: http://www.isteroids.com/steroid-esters/

where do you plan on injecting??

just do it... don't over analyse. 8)

Cheers mate, yup that's the key for me I reckon.

[trademe900]

First shot today.

Gluteus medius, 25g 1 inch.

Was nervous and shaking a lot (not afraid of needles). Absolutely painless thus far at 10 hours in. No stinging after injection, no bruising feeling yet either.

When do others here personally start to feel the prop? With such a short time to peak it will be interesting to see if it can be felt in anyway within a few days.