Planning 2nd cycle

[dannyjay]

Currently planning my cycle for Feb 2012 and wanting to see what you guise think 8)

Week 1-18

800mg Test E per week

Week 1-18

400mg Deca per week

Week 1-4 & 15-16

50mg Dbol ED

(total dbol usage of 6 weeks)

PCT Weeks 20-25

Nolva 50/50/40/40/40mg

The goal of this cycle is to bulk & build as much lean mass as possible.

My first cycle was 500mg Test E 12 weeks & dbol 40mg 1-4 weeks

Side effects from my 1st cycle were minimal with dbol. No gyno, only sensitive nipples.

I didn't notice any negative side effects from the Test, but I think it's still a good idea to get Adex as well since I'm adding another compound in case any other sides appear in this 2nd cycle.

Does it look good? :shifty:

[dannyjay]

btw...

6'2"

242lbs

20 years old

low bodyfat

:snap:

[hhhh1]

pics?

[nate225]

Just an uninformed observation but your first cycle was 500mg T, with the 40mg DBol kicker, so a total of 780mg max per week with most of cycle at 500mg. Now you want to jump to 800mg T, 400mg Deca, and 50mg DBol front n back, so total of 1550mg per week max with most at 1200mg.

Would it not be better to keep test at 500 and add 250 deca with the 40mg front n back DBol? (50mg is a lot of DBol if genuine, from memory many stick with 4x5mg / day for liver health).

I dont know the finer details of the above but I'd suggest 1550mg is a very intermediate level cycle, not really cycle number 2?

Thoughts?

[thatwaslight]

dont know about that pct protocol...never heard of running 50mg of nolva and the literature i have read supports the fact that there is no benefit running over 20mg for the purposes of pct.

i also like to run my test for a few weeks longer than deca to make it a bit easier when coming off.

[dannyjay]

Cheers Nate,

I know this cycle plan is quite a lot more than my first cycle, but if I can do it and recover well after the PCT then why not?

thatwaslight, that makes sense to me to taper off the Deca in the last few weeks.

I think this might be better:

1-18

800mg Test E per week

1-15 400mg Deca per week

Also, during my first cycle I had no side effects other than sensitive nipps.

Anyone got suggestions on the best PCT? I'm thinking I'll just need Nolva & HCG? Since I've had no experience with Deca before I'm not sure how my body will respond.

[I Declare War]

Cheers Nate,

I know this cycle plan is quite a lot more than my first cycle, but if I can do it and recover well after the PCT then why not?

thatwaslight, that makes sense to me to taper off the Deca in the last few weeks.

I think this might be better:

1-18

800mg Test E per week

1-15 400mg Deca per week

Also, during my first cycle I had no side effects other than sensitive nipps.

Anyone got suggestions on the best PCT? I'm thinking I'll just need Nolva & HCG? Since I've had no experience with Deca before I'm not sure how my body will respond.

A SERM such as Nolva doesn't work for Deca (or Tren) as they are 19-Nor-Testosterone derivatives. Estrogen is not an issue with them as they do to aromatise not estrogen. They cause raised prolactin levels, so that may cause you issues - Bromocriptine and Cabergoline are a couple of compounds that are used to combat prolactin issues.

[dannyjay]

Thanks bro

I'm going to need to do more homework to this to get this pct sussed

[train_insane]

go for gold bro, at the end of the day its your body. Diet and training is more important than the amount you pin im only on 2nd cycle and currently at 1.4grams if you can handle it go for it

[I Declare War]

Thanks bro

I'm going to need to do more homework to this to get this pct sussed

I've never needed them tho... and I've run some pretty big tren cycles.

Prolactin's role as a hormone is pretty much what it sounds like; pro lactation..so be careful, you'll be milkin them titties if you're not lucky.

I'd suggest you run 200mg/week of Deca first time, you'll get a good feel for what it's like. Got lots of time ahead of you to bump the dosages subsequent cycles once you're more experienced and prepared to handle the sides.

[train_insane]

Thanks bro

I'm going to need to do more homework to this to get this pct sussed

I've never needed them tho... and I've run some pretty big tren cycles.

Prolactin's role as a hormone is pretty much what it sounds like; pro lactation..so be careful, you'll be milkin them titties if you're not lucky.

I'd suggest you run 200mg/week of Deca first time, you'll get a good feel for what it's like. Got lots of time ahead of you to bump the dosages subsequent cycles once you're more experienced and prepared to handle the sides.

whats ya biggest tren cycle yourve run brah?

[I Declare War]

Thanks bro

I'm going to need to do more homework to this to get this pct sussed

I've never needed them tho... and I've run some pretty big tren cycles.

Prolactin's role as a hormone is pretty much what it sounds like; pro lactation..so be careful, you'll be milkin them titties if you're not lucky.

I'd suggest you run 200mg/week of Deca first time, you'll get a good feel for what it's like. Got lots of time ahead of you to bump the dosages subsequent cycles once you're more experienced and prepared to handle the sides.

whats ya biggest tren cycle yourve run brah?

1 - 1.5 mL of tren ace per day - that's 700 - 1050mg/week

[trainlikeafreak]

my knowledge is minimal but that seems like a massive jump between cycles is it not??

[dannyjay]

^ Yeah it's a pretty big jump for sure

Since my first cycle went pretty much exactly how I intended it, and there were basically no side effects with it, I want to step up my 2nd cycle in a big way which I think I can handle.

800mg is not a huge amount more than the 500mg I was previously on.

Deca is a new compound for me which I'm sure will work great.

My only concern is that I can recover after pct after being on cycle for 18 weeks.

If I can bounce back all good after it then in my mind there's no real why I shouldn't run a cycle like this

[I Declare War]

^ Yeah it's a pretty big jump for sure

Since my first cycle went pretty much exactly how I intended it, and there were basically no side effects with it, I want to step up my 2nd cycle in a big way which I think I can handle.

800mg is not a huge amount more than the 500mg I was previously on.

Deca is a new compound for me which I'm sure will work great.

My only concern is that I can recover after pct after being on cycle for 18 weeks.

If I can bounce back all good after it then in my mind there's no real why I shouldn't run a cycle like this

Keep in mind that more drugs isn't always more gains. More isn't always better and there's a fine line between use and abuse. Just cause you didn't experience any sides on your first cycle doesn't mean your current proposed cycle wont put you over that line.

Make sure you've got your training, diet, and rest down perfected before you go down this route. They're more important.

[DANIEL8]

^ Yeah it's a pretty big jump for sure

Since my first cycle went pretty much exactly how I intended it, and there were basically no side effects with it, I want to step up my 2nd cycle in a big way which I think I can handle.

800mg is not a huge amount more than the 500mg I was previously on.

Deca is a new compound for me which I'm sure will work great.

My only concern is that I can recover after pct after being on cycle for 18 weeks.

If I can bounce back all good after it then in my mind there's no real why I shouldn't run a cycle like this

Keep in mind that more drugs isn't always more gains. More isn't always better and there's a fine line between use and abuse.

Make sure you've got your training, diet, and rest down perfected before you go down this route. They're more important.

agreed

[dannyjay]

Yeah that's true that drugs are practically useless without proper diet & training.

I wouldn't plan on doing a cycle like this unless I knew I can maintain a diet & training to match the drugs for 4 and a half months lol.

I put 3kg of bulk on in a week with just diet & training and could gain 2kgs a week after that for a couple of months with no drugs, so I feel like I'm ready to take it further now

[DANIEL8]

Yeah that's true that drugs are practically useless without proper diet & training.

I wouldn't plan on doing a cycle like this unless I knew I can maintain a diet & training to match the drugs for 4 and a half months lol.

I put 3kg of bulk on in a week with just diet & training and could gain 2kgs a week after that for a couple of months with no drugs, so I feel like I'm ready to take it further now

do it bro! smash it out! but first change your status to enhanced powerbuilder lol

[rocky85]

go hard bro

[Daz69]

^ Yeah it's a pretty big jump for sure

Since my first cycle went pretty much exactly how I intended it, and there were basically no side effects with it, I want to step up my 2nd cycle in a big way which I think I can handle.

800mg is not a huge amount more than the 500mg I was previously on.

Deca is a new compound for me which I'm sure will work great.

My only concern is that I can recover after pct after being on cycle for 18 weeks.

If I can bounce back all good after it then in my mind there's no real why I shouldn't run a cycle like this

Keep in mind that more drugs isn't always more gains. More isn't always better and there's a fine line between use and abuse. Just cause you didn't experience any sides on your first cycle doesn't mean your current proposed cycle wont put you over that line.

Make sure you've got your training, diet, and rest down perfected before you go down this route. They're more important.

800mg is a huge amount for a 20 yr old, plus the Deca, plus the Dbol... Its 1550mg....

Keep the Test at 500mg.... You've introduced the Deca... Where are you going to go with your next cycles, you can't go down... You're gonna be over 2000mg/week & you're only 20, plus you're 242lbs, somethings working without resorting to huge amounts of compounds so young....

Remember more gear doesn't always mean more gains, but can definately means more sides....

[dannyjay]

thanks for the advice bro

I'm still planning everything, and doing the homework to make sure this next cycle goes as well as I want it

I'll post up a revised cycle once I get it all sussed

[Riccardo]

Why increase your dose of test to 800mg? You should always use the lowest possible dose and number of compounds to achieve what you want. Much of the bodybuilding world takes thing to excess and its not always for the better.

The only thing that will be in excess after making such a huge jump is your side effects. The body doesn't like having to adjust to huge amounts of weight gain or changes in hormone levels. You will be better off just adding in the Deca at 200mg/week. You will still gain and you will bounce back better post cycle.

Also 50mg of nolva for PCT? lol I've always thought the 40/40/20/20 protocol was a bit overkill. Like TWL said 20mg is sufficient.

[I Declare War]

Also 50mg of nolva for PCT? lol I've always thought the 40/40/20/20 protocol was a bit overkill. Like TWL said 20mg is sufficient.

That's true, I also believe that the 40/40/20/20 protocol is a bit too much - from a biochemical standpoint it doesn't make much sense. Nolvadex is a Selective Estrogen Receptor Molecule - i.e. it fits into the same receptor as estrogen (due to it being structurally similar in a 3D sense). If you start your PCT protocol after your testosterone levels are below baseline, then your estrogen levels (produced via aromatisation of the testosterone in your system), will be already low at the start and relatively stable throughout the PCT duration.

So, put simply, from a biochemical viewpoint, because Nolvadex competes with estrogen, for estrogen receptor sites, I see no reason why one should run a higher does of Nolvadex in the first weeks of PCT.

[Kracka]

btw...

6'2"

242lbs

20 years old

low bodyfat

:snap:

f*ck. You must be the new Arnold S in that case, cause those stats match favourably with him at that age - i.e unbelievable. 242lbs with low bodyfat? Whats your def of low bodyfat?

Really - how low?

You would be the biggest muscular kid in NZ and be kicking most of the adult males asses too with those stats.

Post pics and I will be prepared to eat humble pie.

[dannyjay]