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[Tokoroa bodybuilder]

OK ive been bodybuilding now for 10 years took 8 years off got married and set up my business etc. Now im back at my old gym for my come back , completed my first cycle of d/bol and deca now im 2weeks out from my next cycle my problem is my trainers are old school and have always under dosed me ,doing 6-8 week cycles .

This next cycle im planing to do around a 17week course using

4 or 5 weeks of d/bol 30/40mg per day 210mg per week

after week 4 ill be starting my sus250 pining 1ml every 2nd day for 11 weeks.

at the end of the 17 weeks starting my Arimidex. Im just looking for a mentor to update and educate me .Any advice welcomed.

[DANIEL8]

sorry dude i may have missed the boat here but your taking adex AFTER your cycle?

wouldnt it be better running it while on dbol? it is an AI after all..

[Tokoroa bodybuilder]

sorry dude i may have missed the boat here but your taking adex AFTER your cycle?

wouldnt it be better running it while on dbol? it is an AI after all..

That why ive made this post to ask people's opinion ,im not medically minded am im sick of wasting good juice when i just wont to GROW .....Just looking for good advice please.

[DANIEL8]

sweet ill get the ball rolling by saying drop adex for pct and use it while running dbol. maybe half a tab every 2nd or 3rd day. cheers

[Tokoroa bodybuilder]

sweet ill get the ball rolling by saying drop adex for pct and use it while running dbol. maybe half a tab every 2nd or 3rd day. cheers

Ok mate that help me soo much thank's alot for this advice. In the past i would waste my time tapering up and down with d/bol from what im learning now is that im wasting my time doing this , what would you suggest in the way of doseing my d/bol? using 30/40mg per day?

[DANIEL8]

which dbol are you using? liquid or tabs? i was using the pink thai's and ran 35mgs for 3 weeks and upped it to 40mgs the last week and damn dude i felt the difference. i say run 40. its still not a crazy high dose but enough to really feel it.

[severe]

People react differently to Dbol, but I also felt the boost from 30mg/day to 40mg. Four dosing times a day.

Why aren't you using the sus from day 1?

You need to front load with Dbol alongside the base compound. Reasoning behind that is to get anabolic immediately while you wait for the test to build to the levels you are after, which can take a few weeks.

An alternative I did in the past was to save the Dbol for 3/4 into teh cycle, and jump up that strength before the end. I don't mind waiting a few weeks to reach peak levels, and I enjoy the boost near the end. swole!

[Tokoroa bodybuilder]

which dbol are you using? liquid or tabs? i was using the pink thai's and ran 35mgs for 3 weeks and upped it to 40mgs the last week and damn dude i felt the difference. i say run 40. its still not a crazy high dose but enough to really feel it.

Ive got 148 pink thai tabs left and two bottles of liquid , was thinking of just using the pink tabs till i run out then finishing on my liquid d/bol.

Look this time around bra i realy wont results , what mg range will fire up my muscle size 50mg?? dont wona realy feel it, But more wona see a big change for once in my life!

[Tokoroa bodybuilder]

People react differently to Dbol, but I also felt the boost from 30mg/day to 40mg. Four dosing times a day.

Why aren't you using the sus from day 1?

You need to front load with Dbol alongside the base compound. Reasoning behind that is to get anabolic immediately while you wait for the test to build to the levels you are after, which can take a few weeks.

An alternative I did in the past was to save the Dbol for 3/4 into teh cycle, and jump up that strength before the end. I don't mind waiting a few weeks to reach peak levels, and I enjoy the boost near the end. swole!

I guess i didnt think of that . It sounds like i might leave myself dry if i start my sus at the end of my d/bol .How about using my D/bol for 5 weeks and at the start of week four start my sus ,pining ever 2nd day which will give my body 2 weeks of jabs before cutting the D/bol?

[DANIEL8]

sup dude, after about 60mgs a day dianabols affects start to diminish so no point in running any higher unless your Arnold. so basically your body wont use much over the 60mg mark and you will be wasting your coin. that being said u have a crap load of dbol. whats the liquid dosed at?

i think run sust from DAY 1 dude, the dbols will help kick in the longer esters and u should explode after the first couple of weeks

[Tokoroa bodybuilder]

sup dude, after about 60mgs a day dianabols affects start to diminish so no point in running any higher unless your Arnold. so basically your body wont use much over the 60mg mark and you will be wasting your coin. that being said u have a crap load of dbol. whats the liquid dosed at?

i think run sust from DAY 1 dude, the dbols will help kick in the longer esters and u should explode after the first couple of weeks

D/bol25 liquid

25ml multi use vial

each 1ml contains......25mg METHANDROSTENOLONE.

[severe]

Kick it all off at the beginning. both dbol and sus.

You have 17 weeks of sus250, pinning eod. Trying to stretch out your gear by starting one when the other finishes makes no sense if your levels drop between them.

4 weeks at the beginning is enough. I took a 10mg daily dose after my month on it while on test enanthate, and my liver was fine. The daily dose lasted another 2 months. I was just after a morning boost to the blood, nothing mind blowing or ultra effective, but thats how they rolled back in the day...

[Specter]

Where is the Deca?

[Tokoroa bodybuilder]

Where is the Deca?

yeah mate thanks to more great advice i will now be adding deca to my cycle

[Tokoroa bodybuilder]

Thanks guy's now i have all the advice for my next cycle that i need.

With out this great forum and the people that help make it possilble we would we all be.

Thank you all. :clap:

[HarryB]

Thanks guy's now i have all the advice for my next cycle that i need.

With out this great forum and the people that help make it possilble we would we all be.

Thank you all. :clap:

Natural! lol

[I Declare War]

17 weeks tho... imo by about week 14 onwards cycles become significantly less productive due to receptor downgrade.

Cycles sort of ramp up and peak around week 6-7 then your body will start adjusting and from about week 8-9 you'll start to notice a decline in the effectiveness of your cycle. If I was on/off cycling I'd try and limit cycles to 10-12 weeks.

If you're planning on doing 17 weeks and hitting the stage at the end of those 17 weeks then maybe that'd be okay? But.... remember with on/off cycling the general rule is time on = time off + pct. So you'll be off for a good 21-23 weeks... ask yourself whether this cycle will be something you can keep your gains from and have a good think about that.

just my 3c.

[Tokoroa bodybuilder]

17 weeks tho... imo by about week 14 onwards cycles become significantly less productive due to receptor downgrade.

Cycles sort of ramp up and peak around week 6-7 then your body will start adjusting and from about week 8-9 you'll start to notice a decline in the effectiveness of your cycle. If I was on/off cycling I'd try and limit cycles to 10-12 weeks.

If you're planning on doing 17 weeks and hitting the stage at the end of those 17 weeks then maybe that'd be okay? But.... remember with on/off cycling the general rule is time on = time off + pct. So you'll be off for a good 21-23 weeks... ask yourself whether this cycle will be something you can keep your gains from and have a good think about that.

just my 3c.

somthing to think about thanks for your 3c mate.

[musclenz]

Run the Dbol for the whole 17 wks @ 15- 20mg ed. Use Adex on cycle if gyno prone at .5mg E3D or run it at .5mg EOD for 25 days in PCT. Run the Sust out at wk 17 & continue on 10mg then 5mg Dbol for next 8-10 days. Use ZMA & Trib during this time. Maintain healthy nutrition & high calories, intense workouts & ensure at least 8hrs sleep ED. Stay focused with turbos before heavy training days. OK guys burn me up :grin:

[Tokoroa bodybuilder]

Run the Dbol for the whole 17 wks @ 15- 20mg ed. Use Adex on cycle if gyno prone at .5mg E3D or run it at .5mg EOD for 25 days in PCT. Run the Sust out at wk 17 & continue on 10mg then 5mg Dbol for next 8-10 days. Use ZMA & Trib during this time. Maintain healthy nutrition & high calories, intense workouts & ensure at least 8hrs sleep ED. Stay focused with turbos before heavy training days. OK guys burn me up :grin:

Thanks again mate ,I ant got the Ball's to run D/bol for 17 weeks lol are you still competing ? im gona jump on with the I.F.B.B next year and blow off some cobwebs. Musclenz bra i dig your hard work.Thanks mate :clap:

[I Declare War]

Run the Dbol for the whole 17 wks @ 15- 20mg ed. Use Adex on cycle if gyno prone at .5mg E3D or run it at .5mg EOD for 25 days in PCT. Run the Sust out at wk 17 & continue on 10mg then 5mg Dbol for next 8-10 days. Use ZMA & Trib during this time. Maintain healthy nutrition & high calories, intense workouts & ensure at least 8hrs sleep ED. Stay focused with turbos before heavy training days. OK guys burn me up :grin:

Perfect drug abuse cycle but yeah gotta agree will be good for gains lol.

Watch your liver tho if u follow this advice!!!!!

[musclenz]

Run the Dbol for the whole 17 wks @ 15- 20mg ed. Use Adex on cycle if gyno prone at .5mg E3D or run it at .5mg EOD for 25 days in PCT. Run the Sust out at wk 17 & continue on 10mg then 5mg Dbol for next 8-10 days. Use ZMA & Trib during this time. Maintain healthy nutrition & high calories, intense workouts & ensure at least 8hrs sleep ED. Stay focused with turbos before heavy training days. OK guys burn me up :grin:

Perfect drug abuse cycle but yeah gotta agree will be good for gains lol.

Watch your liver tho if u follow this advice!!!!!

The use of methandrostenolone low dose long term causing unrepairable liver damage is somewhat overstated in the BBing community I believe. Liver values are only raised marginally above normal ranges & quickly return to normal in a healthy liver on discontinuing. Compare this to alcohol abuse where values can rise into the thousands & where the liver can be permantently damaged. There have been studies done that are for & against this protocol so I would not recommend it to the inexperienced but to those that are combining it with a moderate dose of injectable AAS there seems to be little if any long term damage to liver function.

[I Declare War]

Run the Dbol for the whole 17 wks @ 15- 20mg ed. Use Adex on cycle if gyno prone at .5mg E3D or run it at .5mg EOD for 25 days in PCT. Run the Sust out at wk 17 & continue on 10mg then 5mg Dbol for next 8-10 days. Use ZMA & Trib during this time. Maintain healthy nutrition & high calories, intense workouts & ensure at least 8hrs sleep ED. Stay focused with turbos before heavy training days. OK guys burn me up :grin:

Perfect drug abuse cycle but yeah gotta agree will be good for gains lol.

Watch your liver tho if u follow this advice!!!!!

The use of methandrostenolone low dose long term causing unrepairable liver damage is somewhat overstated in the BBing community I believe. Liver values are only raised marginally above normal ranges & quickly return to normal in a healthy liver on discontinuing. Compare this to alcohol abuse where values can rise into the thousands & where the liver can be permantently damaged. There have been studies done that are for & against this protocol so I would not recommend it to the inexperienced but to those that are combining it with a moderate dose of injectable AAS there seems to be little if any long term damage to liver function.

The upper range of your dosage suggestion is not low-dose. It's a moderate dose and one in which side effects will be experienced. I'm not trying to declare war on you mate, just trying to get the point through that we should be very careful when we give advice to people on here. Because we don't know his medical history, genetic predispositions, and what his other lifestyle factors are, we should err on the side of caution.What if his liver is already on the way out... that course of Dbol you suggest may be enough to throw it over the edge.

While your points about liver impairment may be true, there are other physiological functions that can be significantly impaired by long-term use of Dbol. Dbol will also affect your gall bladder, digestive system, prostate and many other bodily functions to a significant degree. It's not always so simple, musclenz, there are many factors to consider.

I've run Dbol for 12 weeks straight at that dosage, and I will never do it again. I've been an AAS drug abuser as well in the past, having learnt a lot of lessons along the way on how not to do things. The motto of the story here is: use (wisely), don't abuse.

The OP of this thread is inexperienced... just look at his first post in this thread. That cycle is full of holes and has clearly not been thought through.

How would you feel like if this fella came back on here in 17 weeks time and told us that his liver is wrecked or that he's had to remove his gall bladder?

[Tokoroa bodybuilder]

Perfect drug abuse cycle but yeah gotta agree will be good for gains lol.

Watch your liver tho if u follow this advice!!!!!

The use of methandrostenolone low dose long term causing unrepairable liver damage is somewhat overstated in the BBing community I believe. Liver values are only raised marginally above normal ranges & quickly return to normal in a healthy liver on discontinuing. Compare this to alcohol abuse where values can rise into the thousands & where the liver can be permantently damaged. There have been studies done that are for & against this protocol so I would not recommend it to the inexperienced but to those that are combining it with a moderate dose of injectable AAS there seems to be little if any long term damage to liver function.

The upper range of your dosage suggestion is not low-dose. It's a moderate dose and one in which side effects will be experienced. I'm not trying to declare war on you mate, just trying to get the point through that we should be very careful when we give advice to people on here. Because we don't know his medical history, genetic predispositions, and what his other lifestyle factors are, we should err on the side of caution.What if his liver is already on the way out... that course of Dbol you suggest may be enough to throw it over the edge.

While your points about liver impairment may be true, there are other physiological functions that can be significantly impaired by long-term use of Dbol. Dbol will also affect your gall bladder, digestive system, prostate and many other bodily functions to a significant degree. It's not always so simple, musclenz, there are many factors to consider.

I've run Dbol for 12 weeks straight at that dosage, and I will never do it again. I've been an AAS drug abuser as well in the past, having learnt a lot of lessons along the way on how not to do things. The motto of the story here is: use (wisely), don't abuse.

The OP of this thread is inexperienced... just look at his first post in this thread. That cycle is full of holes and has clearly not been thought through.

How would you feel like if this fella came back on here in 17 weeks time and told us that his liver is wrecked or that he's had to remove his gall bladder?

Thanks mate id never do a 17 week course of D/bol ive only every gone as long as 8 weeks an thort that was abit long, am now thinking more along the line's of sorter hard cycle's ,in for the long run.

[Daz69]

The upper range of your dosage suggestion is not low-dose. It's a moderate dose and one in which side effects will be experienced. I'm not trying to declare war on you mate, just trying to get the point through that we should be very careful when we give advice to people on here. Because we don't know his medical history, genetic predispositions, and what his other lifestyle factors are, we should err on the side of caution.What if his liver is already on the way out... that course of Dbol you suggest may be enough to throw it over the edge.

While your points about liver impairment may be true, there are other physiological functions that can be significantly impaired by long-term use of Dbol. Dbol will also affect your gall bladder, digestive system, prostate and many other bodily functions to a significant degree. It's not always so simple, musclenz, there are many factors to consider.

I've run Dbol for 12 weeks straight at that dosage, and I will never do it again. I've been an AAS drug abuser as well in the past, having learnt a lot of lessons along the way on how not to do things. The motto of the story here is: use (wisely), don't abuse.

The OP of this thread is inexperienced... just look at his first post in this thread. That cycle is full of holes and has clearly not been thought through.

How would you feel like if this fella came back on here in 17 weeks time and told us that his liver is wrecked or that he's had to remove his gall bladder?

Gosh...!!! Someones pissed off Wales lost to the Frenchies... :shock:

I would hardly say 15-20mg/day is a moderate dose, compared to what I have done personally, its miniscule..

I appreciate being cautious when giving advice regarding dosages, as we all can react very differently to the same amounts of a particular compound....

But 15-20mg/day with enough water and a few milk thistle thrown in you'd be pretty unlucky if you experiences significant sides....

Its unfortunate we have to conduct our business in secret without being able to consult medical professionals, who could dispense correct advise based on current research.....

Sadly the research doesn't seem to be out there, and the majority of doctors seem to know less than you could find after a 5 min Google search on the net....