Is deca worth using for less than 12-15 weeks?

[comingdayandnight]

Sup brahs,

Is deca worth using for anything less than the longer cycle periods as recommended?

Reason being is I want to start a cycle soonish which will finish up just before xmas.

Will be doing deca + test for 10 weeks so just want to know if the deca is even worth taking or should I just double up the test dose and leave deca out?

[thatwaslight]

i would say no 10 weeks is a waste of time. imo a Deca cycle should at the very least be 15 weeks, 20 being great 8)

[comingdayandnight]

Cheers mate, may have to reconsider a different compound to go with the test then. Any recommendations?

[thatwaslight]

what are your goals bro?

[comingdayandnight]

Hey bro, I came off a cycle a little while ago and kept 7KG of muscle and dropped 7% bodyfat while on so want to add another 5KG-7KG muscle and drop a further 7% bodyfat taking me down to around 10% at 108KG.

So like all of us get bigger while getting leaner for Summer to look good for the bitches.

My weight (fat) is coming off pretty well at the moment as i've started walking to work which is 40 mins both ways each day. Plus have been doing two dedicated cardio days of HIIT a week as well as knocking the piss on the head and not eating any shit food at all.

[thatwaslight]

tren or winstrol would be the go man. have you used either b4?

[comingdayandnight]

Never bro, do I just run it in parrallel with the test for the same duration / same volumes?

[thatwaslight]

winny would prob be a better option if you haven't used tren before as it is a strong drug.

You could try running 50mg winny ED for 6 weeks at the tail end of your cycle maybe?

[comingdayandnight]

Mint, cheers for the advice, i'll start doing some thorough research into what will work best for me / whats available at the time

[maassive]

Just to clear one thing up arnie, you don't run tren at the same dosages as test necessarily because it's too strong. You were talking about running a pretty high dose of test, but with tren I think most people are doing 300-400 pwk, and because it's so strong you could do less to start. That's what I've gathered anyway, though the folks can correct me here.

[comingdayandnight]

Just to clear one thing up arnie, you don't run tren at the same dosages as test necessarily because it's too strong. You were talking about running a pretty high dose of test, but with tren I think most people are doing 300-400 pwk, and because it's so strong you could do less to start. That's what I've gathered anyway, though the folks can correct me here.

Chur bro, I haven't heard otherwise to what you've said so will gather that what you say is true Jedi

[snoopy]

Just to clear one thing up arnie, you don't run tren at the same dosages as test necessarily because it's too strong. You were talking about running a pretty high dose of test, but with tren I think most people are doing 300-400 pwk, and because it's so strong you could do less to start. That's what I've gathered anyway, though the folks can correct me here.

Chur bro, I haven't heard otherwise to what you've said so will gather that what you say is true Jedi

Winny and parabolan depot :nod:

And a dab of Masteron goes well too

[comingdayandnight]

Cheers guys, now to re-evaluate my tank cycle before Summer

[WANABJAKD]

ive used NPP (shorter estered nandrolone) - its shit. id double up on your testosterone or add some trenbolone. testosterone at higher doses is going to exagerate the androgenic effects by causing more DHT conversion along with estrogen conversion like-wise.

theres a saying that "at 'so and so' grams is where the magic truly begins to happen with test." many people also believe that high dose test is just as strong as trenbolone, and id have no reason to doubt that. theres only one way to find out :wink: you could always cut the corner by adding a DHT - proviron or masteron are good options.

this is my opinion in any case; in the way of economics, using test is not only better for value, but for all applications as well, be it cutting, bulking, endurance or strength. if you can find some well priced trenbolone, why not include it?

Just to clear one thing up arnie, you don't run tren at the same dosages as test necessarily because it's too strong. You were talking about running a pretty high dose of test, but with tren I think most people are doing 300-400 pwk, and because it's so strong you could do less to start. That's what I've gathered anyway, though the folks can correct me here.

first of all, dont be a smart ass, and secondly what experience or more importantly, what knowledge do you have to be giving out advice on this?

you can run trenbolone at the same dose or higher than test if you like. the reason why you need testosterone (even a small amount), when running trenbolone is, drum roll...you need aromatisation to occur. in case you didnt know, when using trenbolone it increases your progesterone - that inhibits estrogen. do you get where im going with this?

[DANIEL8]

ive used NPP (shorter estered nandrolone) - its shit. id double up on your testosterone or add some trenbolone. testosterone at higher doses is going to exagerate the androgenic effects by causing more DHT conversion along with estrogen conversion like-wise.

theres a saying that "at 'so and so' grams is where the magic truly begins to happen with test." many people also believe that high dose test is just as strong as trenbolone, and id have no reason to doubt that. theres only one way to find out :wink: you could always cut the corner by adding a DHT - proviron or masteron are good options.

this is my opinion in any case; in the way of economics, using test is not only better for value, but for all applications as well, be it cutting, bulking, endurance or strength. if you can find some well priced trenbolone, why not include it?

Just to clear one thing up arnie, you don't run tren at the same dosages as test necessarily because it's too strong. You were talking about running a pretty high dose of test, but with tren I think most people are doing 300-400 pwk, and because it's so strong you could do less to start. That's what I've gathered anyway, though the folks can correct me here.

first of all, dont be a smart ass, and secondly what experience or more importantly, what knowledge do you have to be giving out advice on this?

you can run trenbolone at the same dose or higher than test if you like. the reason why you need testosterone (even a small amount), when running trenbolone is, drum roll...you need aromatisation to occur. in case you didnt know, when using trenbolone it increases your progesterone - that inhibits estrogen. do you get where im going with this?

now way would you run tren higher than test are you crazy?! tren is rated 500 on the anabolic ranking, test is only rated at 150 which means (drum roll please) its a lot more potent than test therefore (drum roll please) you need less of it to get gains and if running more than test you definately would be abusing.

i got crazy night sweats and sides off 300mg a week of tren couldnt imagine running it over 500mg per week especially a novice doing that

[maassive]

first of all, dont be a smart ass, and secondly what experience or more importantly, what knowledge do you have to be giving out advice on this?

you can run trenbolone at the same dose or higher than test if you like. the reason why you need testosterone (even a small amount), when running trenbolone is, drum roll...you need aromatisation to occur. in case you didnt know, when using trenbolone it increases your progesterone - that inhibits estrogen. do you get where im going with this?

As Daniel8 said, my advice is solid. As it happens, I know comingdayandnight personally, and spoke to him yesterday and he said he was looking at running a gram of test and thought that you needed to equal your tren to your test. That was the reason for my post. In terms of experience, I'm running tren at the moment, I've read as much as you have on it elsewhere (as I like reading research too) and most importantly - I ask people who are experienced questions. I have asked this question before and was passing on my learning to OP plus with the caveat that others could correct me.

[Specter]

This whole thread is shit. 8)

[thatwaslight]

Leave it to batman/WBJ guys as he said no one round here is qualified to give advice. I'm sure there are various pubmed studies to back up anything he says

[Daz69]

what experience or more importantly, what knowledge do you have to be giving out advice on this?

you can run trenbolone at the same dose or higher than test if you like.

I think it time for someone to leave again................. :shock:

[HarryB]

what experience or more importantly, what knowledge do you have to be giving out advice on this?

you can run trenbolone at the same dose or higher than test if you like.

I think it time for someone to leave again................. :shock:

Experience.... is that really necessary? Results.. are they really necessary?

[Specter]

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[WANABJAKD]

running an equal or higher ratio of tren to test is ok, but this does not mean 1.5g of tren along-side 1g of test. im suggesting running 200-400mg of test along-side 600-800mg of tren. plenty of people do this, ive done it - why is it so taboo?

this is what i look like at an odd 80kgs, 11% BF and completely flat. im about 3 weeks into my long esters and on a high fat high protein diet. things are beginning to kick into gear right about now. my ears feel like they are going to melt, so i know the tren is working :pfft: now that ive reverted back to my high carb diet, i expect to blow up to a lean 88kgs over the next week or two.

alot of people usually are baffled by my weight, and honestly, i dont care about my weight, hence why i dont lie or boost my stats - its irrelevant to me - it means nothing. as long as i keep growing, and in proportion, then im happy.

the reason why im not making significant progress is because for a long time now ive had a posterior rotation in my right hip and a protruding inferior right shoulder.

unfortunately, this means i cant push or pull evenly on a vertical or a horizontal plain. when i say "evenly", i mean i cant get both muscles to equally activate/function together. ive picking at this for a long time; as a matter of fact, for the past 6 months i have been experimenting every day in the gym trying to fix these problems. whats even worse, is that im over thinking things and that certainly doesnt help. once upon a time i would just walk into the gym and move weight without thinking and still stay in balance - the irony.

i have nothing to be ashamed of and i certainly dont care when people talk it up like i havent made the "expected gains" of someone "on gear." i know once i correct these imbalances ill grow like no tomorrow through strength, and by being able to progressively add weight to the bar as i once could. unlike most guys, ive made the majority of my progress through isolation exercises - it is possible, but slow.

[I Declare War]

The forearms of a swimmer.

[I Declare War]

You need to go back to the basics bro and learn what proper hard work is.

Forget about drugs for a few years.

Just my 2c

[HarryB]

You need to go back to the basics bro and learn what proper hard work is.

Forget about drugs for a few years.

Just my 2c

He can't.... it's an ongoing thing, imagine though being a guy who has uses that much gear, knows that much about nutrition, drugs and training and is still searching really hard for the magic formula.

Honestly WBJ, the proof is in the pudding. You disregard what people have achieved using means that you don't agree with even when they have achieved a lot more than you have. That's why you get slammed for being an idiot. I am sure you are far from stupid but give some credit where it's due. I personally think you're suggestions relating to drug usage are ridiculous but that's because I respond to far less, as do most of us I think. When you write what you have done and taken I look for more gains or more power or more condition, when I see pics I am sadly disappointed which is why your advice doesn't get much credibility. You do have a lot of information and no doubt you apply it... why isn't it working on you?