NZ Super Body Classic

[Pseudonym]

The competition Moe is organising is obviously going to be the subject of much discussion, so I thought it really deserved its own topic.

To summarise:

Moe Moussawi is organising a bodybuilding competition. Moe is a former Mr NZ with a somewhat controversial history (you can search our forums for more information on this).

The competition will not be affiliated with any bodybuilding organisation.

The pre-judging and finals will both be in the one show.

Troy Alves and Nicole Rollolazo will be guest posing.

There will be no entry fee, and dreamtan will be supplied for all competitors.

Oh yes, and there's a total of $10,000 prize money up for grabs.

See our contest calendar here.

So what do you think? Will this be the kick up the arse that people have been wanting to give to under-performing organisations? Will it make a difference? It's certainly not the way competitions are usually run in this country - are the changes positive?

Or is this yet another competition for a small country that's already over-burdened with too many contests for its tiny population? Will it attract new blood into our declining sport, or is it just preaching to the converted?

Right, I think that's enough questions. Now let's hear some answers... :grin:

[Oros]

A BB comp with type of prize money involved would definitely draw attention to bodybuilding as a possible money earner sport in NZ.

Unfortunately though, with no affiliation to any orginization where existing rules are in place, who is going to draw up the rules.

Would it be a "natural", with some form of testing, or will it be a case of "he-who-achieves-the-best-gear-cycle-wins-the-bucks", in which case, it'l probably be a one-off comp that ends in a cloud of "under investigation" and the winner finding himself/herself not welcome in any other national comps.

[Wynton]

I think it's a good idea. I'm pretty sure the rules would be similar to any other bodybuilding comp.

I was talking to someone at xtreme nutrition yesterday and there is no testing. I don't know why it would end under investigation. Nabba doesn't test either. Why would anyone be blacklisted from other federations for competing in this event? The nzfbb competitor's will continue to be tested when they compete in nzfbb comps.

[waldo]

The only sticking point I can see is the Nzfbb and Nabba are amateur fedarations, so competing for and winnning money makes one a professional, therefore preventing them from competing in Amateur feds.

[Pseudonym]

Oooh... you bugger, Waldo! That occurred to me last night, and I was going to play it as a surprise trump card, and with a dramatic flourish. So much for that happening now! :pfft:

Anyway, I think you could be right. Here's what the NABBA rules say:

DEFINITION OF AN AMATEUR

For the purpose of the ‘National Amateur Body Builders’ Association’ the definition of an amateur is:

• One who has not competed for a money prize.
  
• One who has not competed in a contest earmarked for professionals.

...

11. All contests are for amateur competitors, unless otherwise stated. An amateur competitor is one who has not competed for a money prize.

So according to that, it's not even whether you win the prize or not that counts. Just entering a competition where a money prize is offered will lose your amateur status.

I couldn't find any similar rule on the NZFBB website. Is that because the NZFBB's parent organisation, IFBB, has a pro division?

[Oros]

Was'nt this the same idea that was bandied about my Moe & Co, when he was attempting to remove the reigns of power from MR! Stewart back a whiles?

[tallulahangie]

Well... That puts a new light on things doesn't it? A lot of NABBA competitors would want to compete in this show, but they may not want to now because of that rule. But then again, can NABBA really enforce such a rule seeing as NZ is not a very big country with a small number of competitors?

Those who are really passionate about the sport will compete nonetheless I hope.

[2guns]

Would it be a "natural", with some form of testing, or will it be a case of he-who-achieves-the-best-gear-cycle-wins-the-bucks", in which case, it'l probably be a one-off comp that ends in a cloud of "under investigation" and the winner finding himself/herself not welcome in any other national comps.

i cant see any testing being done at this comp. it costs money and would ruin the quality of the show. and how could u have testing and consider it a "natural" show when u have an ifbb pro guest posing.

also,

he-who-achieves-the-best-gear-cycle-wins-the-bucks",

this probably wont be true.

The only sticking point I can see is the Nzfbb and Nabba are amateur fedarations, so competing for and winnning money makes one a professional, therefore preventing them from competing in Amateur feds.

NABBA actaully holds a show where prize money is up for grabs, $1000 for each overall winner. this show was last year held in palmaston nrth and is called a pro-am (pro ametuer) i sure moes show will be considered the same.

im am wondering tho weather the rules and judging will be the same as nzfbb or nabba. e.g will the classes be made from height or weight? etc

[lazyone]

So what do you think? Will this be the kick up the arse that people have been wanting to give to under-performing organisations? Will it make a difference? It's certainly not the way competitions are usually run in this country - are the changes positive?

Or is this yet another competition for a small country that's already over-burdened with too many contests for its tiny population? Will it attract new blood into our declining sport, or is it just preaching to the converted?

I think its a great idea. It'll spark some interest in the general public at least... even if ppl aren't aware of the whole BB scene in NZ, they may be familiar - or have at least heard of Troy Alves, so its great publicity, and'll hopefully get more ppl through the door to watch.

And yeah Oros, I remember the idea of this type of comp being mentioned in that NZFBB meeting - cash prizes and possibly having a category in competitions where the competitors AREN'T drug tested? And if a natural competitor felt confident enough he could enter into this category and kick some ass? Eh, I could be wrong - memory aint wot it used to be :roll:

[waldo]

The pro-am is just that, a professional/amateur, but is sanctioned by the nabba fedaration. That's the sticker 'sanctioned'. If the fedaration doesn't sanction it, then they can apply their rules. Same with the NZFBB.

There will be no testing, that's already been said, so i'm sure a number of people will be 'getting ready' for it.

The classes haven't been announced yet, nor have the judges/judging criteria.

[02flex]

NABBA actaully holds a show where prize money is up for grabs, $1000 for each overall winner. this show was last year held in palmaston nrth and is called a pro-am (pro ametuer) i sure moes show will be considered the same.

Hello, Two Guns, sorry mate your off track there. the Pro Am for Nabba you win a photo contract worth 1000.00 this way you still stay amatuer.

the cant actually wind direct prize money through Nabba.

so Moe would have to do the same principle if he want Nabba atheletes to compete in this event.

also, agree with the guy that says this has no guide lines or rules, who is making these. and my bigest concern is where is he going to get experienced judges from, that are not his direct family or friends as I think this would this would have an effect on the judging.

anyhow good topic and and good questions being asked.

i think there will be more people watching this show as competing as it has never been done before and people need to taste before they buy?

[Paul]

this was on the go figure site today from nabba HQ

A word of warning for Nabba people competing in the superbody classic. Nabba rule books quotes DEFINITION OF AN AMATEUR For the purpose of the ‘National Amateur Body Builders’ Association’ the definition of an amateur is: One who has not competed for a money prize. One who has not competed in a contest earmarked for professionals. ... 11. All contests are for amateur competitors, unless otherwise stated. An amateur competitor is one who has not competed for a money prize.

[waldo]

Why do I get the feeling this show is going to create a massive political boil-over? They are having a meltdown over on gofigure over it. NABBA/NZFBB have their rules, so officials enforce them. yet the athletes will side with Moe, as the comp looks attractive to them.

This is reminiscent of the old Baseball strikes. No athletes, no shows. Perhaps the bodybuilders should set up their own union!

[Marcus]

It's absolute crap aye. All this political shit.

[Varven]

Serious competitiors have no future in nz..

just go overseas.. cheaper gear, less drama about testing, more prize money, fame , endorsements etc.

[2guns]

i say just forget about all the nabba vs nzfbb etc and those bullshit ametuer rules and just let whoeva wants to compete compete.

its gonna be great for the sport wateva way u look at it.

also sorry, and thank u 02FLEX for correcting me. so u are saying the winners of the nabba pro am dnt get a cash prize? or they get it through a sort of sponsership?

There will be no testing, that's already been said, so i'm sure a number of people will be 'getting ready' for it.

hahaha crack up!

and is this an ametuer compettiton its self?

[waldo]

i say just forget about all the nabba vs nzfbb etc and those bullshit ametuer rules and just let whoeva wants to compete compete.

its gonna be great for the sport wateva way u look at it.

also sorry, and thank u 02FLEX for correcting me. so u are saying the winners of the nabba pro am dnt get a cash prize? or they get it through a sort of sponsership?

There will be no testing, that's already been said, so i'm sure a number of people will be 'getting ready' for it.

hahaha crack up!

and is this an ametuer compettiton its self?

No, since money is involved it's not an amateur show. And you guys are right, the politics suck. I would like to see a little communication between Moe, Nabba, and the Nzfbb, but we'll get 40 degrees tomorrow with no clouds before that happens.

[waldo]

Serious competitiors have no future in nz..

just go overseas.. cheaper gear, less drama about testing, more prize money, fame , endorsements etc.

It's probably better to say little future, for those that want to make it in the sport. If your goal is a MR NZ title then great, you can do it. And remember, very few in BB make a living out of competing, that goes for living in the states too.

[Pseudonym]

this was on the go figure site today from nabba HQ

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Hehehe! Lucky Waldo and I pointed it out! Still, it's nice to know NABBA HQ reads this site too. (By the way, NABBA, if you ever want to post here, you're very welcome to join us.)

[2guns]

anyway on to another point....

how many people here arer seriously considering entering moes comp?

[Marcus]

I'm hoping we will see some big boys who don't compete in either organisation.

Sounds like Nabba are getting their back up because someone else is organising a show that's getting a lot of interest.

[deegee]

It will be very interestring to see how this plays out, a good shake up of the sport in NZ would not be a bad thing

[2guns]

spoze everyone will wanna wait to see wat the classes are gonna be and the rules and who the judges are etc b4 they committ.

but it sounds bloody good with no entry fee and dream tan provided tht will be a fairly big cost in its self.

if i was thinking of doing it i would wanna find out wat the deal is with the whole ametuer thing....

i think it will be very successful and we will probably c some people who are banned from other federations on drug testing positve. who will compete

[Marcus]

Yeah I agree 2guns. There will be some big boys on show no doubt chasing that money.

[Musculo]

For those that compete NABBA they need to take this into account. Nabba rule books quotes DEFINITION OF AN AMATEUR For the purpose of the ‘National Amateur Body Builders’ Association’ the definition of an amateur is: One who has not competed for a money prize. One who has not competed in a contest earmarked for professionals. ... 11. All contests are for amateur competitors, unless otherwise stated. An amateur competitor is one who has not competed for a money prize.

Not sure what the rules are for NZFBB. The show isn't affliated to either federation.

Clash of dates with the NZFBB Taranaki show being the same date Nov 4, its a shame it wasn't November 5th like people orginally thought.