Disregard strength, Aquire lean mass

[Luigi]

Hey !!!!

I am after recommendations for a training split

After one that focusis solely on size not worried about strength for now.

Something that is high volume but also includes rest days as im training natty so dont wanna run myself knackered.

any other info needed just ask

thanks :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:

[wiggy]

have you looked at dogcrap training?..google it or look on some older posts on here

[thatwaslight]

Hey !!!!

I am after recommendations for a training split

After one that focusis solely on size not worried about strength for now.

Something that is high volume but also includes rest days as im training natty so dont wanna run myself knackered.

any other info needed just ask

thanks :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:

Negged

[Pseudonym]

What parts are you wanting to focus on most? I like volume, but I think it works best when you throw extra volume at one part only. Increasing volume on everything is often too much, IMO.

[thatwaslight]

GVT 10x10 strict 1min rest, staying within 65% of your 1rm. Really need a spotter tho

[Grover]

GVT 10x10 strict 1min rest, staying within 65% of your 1rm.

Really need a spotter tho

:shock:

Its hard but wouldn't say that you need a spotter at 65%

Found that it was a good program but didn't achieve a great amount of lean mass as only 4 weeks.

Depends too on diet as often said it is

80% diet

20% exercise

Think really need to go more cardio focus

[thatwaslight]

GVT 10x10 strict 1min rest, staying within 65% of your 1rm.

Really need a spotter tho

:shock:

Its hard but wouldn't say that you need a spotter at 65%

Found that it was a good program but didn't achieve a great amount of lean mass as only 4 weeks.

Depends too on diet as often said it is

80% diet

20% exercise

Think really need to go more cardio focus

LOL If you don't need a spotter your doing it wrong.

[notatroll]

dam.. the big homie looking for any excuse to lift light weights.

[Grover]

guess i was too soft on my 1rm then!

will have to try harder next time

[matt !]

if you dont need a spotter when doing ANY lifting your doing it wrong peroid :grin:

[PeterDolan]

if you dont need a spotter when doing ANY lifting your doing it wrong peroid :grin:

Oh yeah

[Dr Squat]

There is a correlation between size and strength, isn't there?

[PeterDolan]

There is a correlation between size and strength, isn't there?

I wouldn't say it is a big as everyone would like to believe

[Dr Squat]

There is a correlation between size and strength, isn't there?

I wouldn't say it is a big as everyone would like to believe

Enlighten me.

[PeterDolan]

There is a correlation between size and strength, isn't there?

I wouldn't say it is a big as everyone would like to believe

Enlighten me.

Haha nothing scientific here but when you look at your non drug using (or drug tested) BBers and PLers there tends to be quite a difference in size and strength. As always there will be exceptions which is largely genetically determined (and the way we train) but just because someone is getting stronger doesn't mean they're getting bigger

Just my view on it

[Dr Squat]

I wouldn't say it is a big as everyone would like to believe

Enlighten me.

Haha nothing scientific here but when you look at your non drug using (or drug tested) BBers and PLers there tends to be quite a difference in size and strength. As always there will be exceptions which is largely genetically determined (and the way we train) but just because someone is getting stronger doesn't mean they're getting bigger

Just my view on it

He's talking about getting bigger, doesn't care about getting stronger. Generally I would expect some sort of size increase to follow an increase in strength. But I am a bit of a simple bastard. :nod:

[thatwaslight]

I've never seen someone get bigger and not stronger.

[HarryB]

Enlighten me.

Haha nothing scientific here but when you look at your non drug using (or drug tested) BBers and PLers there tends to be quite a difference in size and strength. As always there will be exceptions which is largely genetically determined (and the way we train) but just because someone is getting stronger doesn't mean they're getting bigger

Just my view on it

He's talking about getting bigger, doesn't care about getting stronger. Generally I would expect some sort of size increase to follow an increase in strength. But I am a bit of a simple bastard. :nod:

If you are getting stronger in a 8-10 or even 6-8 rep range then you will get bigger. Simple overload... when your weights come to a standstill then your growth will stop. Yes at a certain level this is difficult but look Dorian followed that most basic principle. Yes drugs, genetics etc etc etc but IMO strong guys in that rep range are generally big guys.

Bit different in PL or OLY where the guys train their neural efficiency and so you can get quite a small guy lifting heavy weights but hey the big guys in PL are really fucking strong lol

[Phedder]

Generally I would expect some sort of size increase to follow an increase in strength.

An increase in muscle size should also bring increases in strength simply due to a larger muscle being able to produce more force. However a muscle doesn't have to get bigger to produce more force, if you can increase neuronal components such as the number of muscle fibres recruited, or the rate at which they contract then a muscle can produce more force without any increase in size.

So an increase in size should relate to an increase in strength, but an increase in strength does not necessarily relate to an increase in size. At least that's how I understand it. I'm sure someone else could explain it much better though

[HarryB]

Generally I would expect some sort of size increase to follow an increase in strength.

An increase in muscle size should also bring increases in strength simply due to a larger muscle being able to produce more force. However a muscle doesn't have to get bigger to produce more force, if you can increase neuronal components such as the number of muscle fibres recruited, or the rate at which they contract then a muscle can produce more force without any increase in size.

So an increase in size should relate to an increase in strength, but an increase in strength does not necessarily relate to an increase in size. At least that's how I understand it. I'm sure someone else could explain it much better though

yeah what he said!

[thatwaslight]

Luigi, I think you should do p90x

[almost there]

peoples bodys react differently. i found that just by lightning the load a bit i didnt get much stronger but i got a shit load bigger. stimulate dont annihilate

[maassive]

I've never seen someone get bigger and not stronger.

jay cutler got bigger and lost his strength from back in the days when he trained for strength. It's possible, but in noobs its pretty rare.

[Grover]

I've never seen someone get bigger and not stronger.

jay cutler got bigger and lost his strength from back in the days when he trained for strength. It's possible, but in noobs its pretty rare.

But Luigi's not a noob! so may well work

[thatwaslight]

I've never seen someone get bigger and not stronger.

jay cutler got bigger and lost his strength from back in the days when he trained for strength. It's possible, but in noobs its pretty rare.

Jay cutler and I both use celltech, yet he's bigger than me? Go figure.