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Cypionate or Sustanon 250?

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Depends if I want to pin twice a week or EOD.

Ok, I'm on TRT & only pin 1ml Sustanon 250 every two weeks because I never go off it. Going to see my endo on Tuesday that's all & if cypionate was better was going to ask for that instead.

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Bodybuilding wise it depends on goals. Cyp is long acting which can bring water retention. Sus can be used for cutting. But to keep blood levels stable for bodybuilding you'd need to shoot sus every other day.

Ok, thanks for your time & advice - I really appreciate it.

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Depends if I want to pin twice a week or EOD.

wtf? which are you suggesting to pin EOD? Sus is even longer acting than cyp, if my memory serves me correctly. Wasn't it created as a once a month combo for HRT. Yes, it has short acting esters, but it is designed so that the half lives complement each other so you shouldn't need to pin more than 1 a week...

Or is this wrong?

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Nothing is wrong with a bit of water retention. It supports strength.

It's not as though you will balloon up from the cyp. The water retention is not that bad.

Water retention from long acting esters is a complete myth.

Anyone who has run Test Suspension will know this.

Whether youre pinning Cyp or Sustanon 250 you should pin both twice a week at least.This keeps blood levels stable.

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Depends if I want to pin twice a week or EOD.

wtf? which are you suggesting to pin EOD? Sus is even longer acting than cyp, if my memory serves me correctly. Wasn't it created as a once a month combo for HRT. Yes, it has short acting esters, but it is designed so that the half lives complement each other so you shouldn't need to pin more than 1 a week...

Or is this wrong?

HRT is different to bodybuilding mate. ok maybe not eod but i'd like to shoot sus every 2/3 days

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Depends if I want to pin twice a week or EOD.

wtf? which are you suggesting to pin EOD? Sus is even longer acting than cyp, if my memory serves me correctly. Wasn't it created as a once a month combo for HRT. Yes, it has short acting esters, but it is designed so that the half lives complement each other so you shouldn't need to pin more than 1 a week...

Or is this wrong?

HRT is different to bodybuilding mate. ok maybe not eod but i'd like to shoot sus every 2/3 days

no shit. but just thought you were off with EOD for sus - and you were.

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Nothing is wrong with a bit of water retention. It supports strength.

It's not as though you will balloon up from the cyp. The water retention is not that bad.

Water retention from long acting esters is a complete myth.

Anyone who has run Test Suspension will know this.

Whether youre pinning Cyp or Sustanon 250 you should pin both twice a week at least.This keeps blood levels stable.

I never had any bad water retention, so I see your point. I just don't understand the mass hysteria over water retention. Excessive bloating, sure, but non competitive folks need to relax a bit more.

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Horses for courses, Goal dependant mate. Yes i'd pin eod and i'd take more then 500mg a week. There is no true answer. twice a week suits some people and eod suits other's. All depends what you are hoping to get out of your course.

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Nothing is wrong with a bit of water retention. It supports strength.

It's not as though you will balloon up from the cyp. The water retention is not that bad.

Water retention from long acting esters is a complete myth.

Anyone who has run Test Suspension will know this.

Whether youre pinning Cyp or Sustanon 250 you should pin both twice a week at least.This keeps blood levels stable.

I never had any bad water retention, so I see your point. I just don't understand the mass hysteria over water retention. Excessive bloating, sure, but non competitive folks need to relax a bit more.

My post was a little unclear...

Some guys reckon that you get more water retention of the longer acting esters as opposed to the shorter ones...

This was the myth i was trying to dispell..

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Depends if I want to pin twice a week or EOD.

wtf? which are you suggesting to pin EOD? Sus is even longer acting than cyp, if my memory serves me correctly. Wasn't it created as a once a month combo for HRT. Yes, it has short acting esters, but it is designed so that the half lives complement each other so you shouldn't need to pin more than 1 a week...

Or is this wrong?

Thats what you read about Sustanon....

There is a lot of discrepancy regarding the half-lives, which kinda fuks things up when you try & do the maths.....

But if you try & work it out:

30mg Propionate H/L 2 days .... IE: after 2 days 15mg is left 15mg has been used.... after 4 days 7.5mg is left 7.5mg has been used.. & so on...

So as a rough figure day 1-2, 7.5mg is being released into the blood...

Day 3-4, 3.75mg..... & so on....

If you calculate the rest & add em together:

60mg Phenylpropionate H/L 4.5 days....

60mg Isocaproate H/L 9 days.....

100mg Decanoate H/L 15 days....

My maths are shite & I dont have a calculator, but a rough total is:

Day 1-2= 21mg/day

3-4=16mg/day 21

5-6=12mg/day 21 + 16

7-8=11mg/day 21 + 16 + 12

9-10=10mg/day 21 + 16 +12 + 11

11-12=10mg/day 21 + 16 +12 + 11 + 10 = 70mg/day

So its gonna take roughly 4-5 half lives pinning EOD to reach blood levels of about 70mg/day.... less the weight of the esters......Which equates to less than 490mg/week.....

So if you pin Sustanon once a week there's a big difference in blood levels Ok if your an "oldie", but not much good if you want to put size on....

I think I'm right.... Hope you understand it............. :wink:

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water retention blah blah blah any test can cause water retention its diet and dose dependant less time stressing about that and more time smashing steel cyp or sust sust is overrated IMO sounds great on paper but really is just a hassel single ester for life

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Water retention from long acting esters is a complete myth.

Anyone who has run Test Suspension will know this.

Whether youre pinning Cyp or Sustanon 250 you should pin both twice a week at least.This keeps blood levels stable.

I never had any bad water retention, so I see your point. I just don't understand the mass hysteria over water retention. Excessive bloating, sure, but non competitive folks need to relax a bit more.

My post was a little unclear...

Some guys reckon that you get more water retention of the longer acting esters as opposed to the shorter ones...

This was the myth i was trying to dispell..

Oh...

I have only had longer esters, so was guilty of tunnel vision here.

Sweet.

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