Another one hits headlines!

[Ivanka]

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[olympia]

Wow ! Angry first post. Ill be sure not to rub you up the wrong way. :shock:

[thatwaslight]

How do you phaggots know what the guy did to him? i'm not saying i do but maybe he cut him off and nearly ran him off the road or something? if someone did that to me id stove their fucking head in. alot of people on the road are seriously endangering other motorists who can drive.

It’s spelt faggots – you pig-ignorant, dumbass. Everyone experiences a lapse in concentration behind the wheel at some stage in their lives; this does not justify being assaulted or disfigured for such triviality.

Your mentality is the same one applied by the kahuis, and so many other brain dead idiots in this country. When the baby cry’s all night – do you have the emotional intelligence to deal with it? Or do you ‘stove’ the infants head in?

Every time you engage that peanut, and attempt to articulate yourself, you expose just what limited mental capacity you function with. Your grammar is terrible, and evidently, equivocal to that of a mindless child.

Why don’t you do society a favour next time you’re considering ‘stoving’ someone’s head in, and stove your own chicken-brained head in..

Wow it must have been the end of season sale at the cerebral department, or did you eat a brain tumor for breakfast?

Please explain how this relates to murdering two infant children you deluded fuckwit? and no i don't have to worry about crying infants as unlike you i didn't get fucked by my own father.

and for the record its spelled phaggot, PHAGGOT!!!!!

[thatwaslight]

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too late

[tomsammce]

Mega LOL's @ fucked by own father... OMG hahahahahaha!

[Ivanka]

How do you phaggots know what the guy did to him? i'm not saying i do but maybe he cut him off and nearly ran him off the road or something? if someone did that to me id stove their fucking head in. alot of people on the road are seriously endangering other motorists who can drive.

It’s spelt faggots – you pig-ignorant, dumbass. Everyone experiences a lapse in concentration behind the wheel at some stage in their lives; this does not justify being assaulted or disfigured for such triviality.

Your mentality is the same one applied by the kahuis, and so many other brain dead idiots in this country. When the baby cry’s all night – do you have the emotional intelligence to deal with it? Or do you ‘stove’ the infants head in?

Every time you engage that peanut, and attempt to articulate yourself, you expose just what limited mental capacity you function with. Your grammar is terrible, and evidently, equivocal to that of a mindless child.

Why don’t you do society a favour next time you’re considering ‘stoving’ someone’s head in, and stove your own chicken-brained head in..

Wow it must have been the end of season sale at the cerebral department, or did you eat a brain tumor for breakfast?

Please explain how this relates to murdering two infant children you deluded fuckwit? and no i don't have to worry about crying infants as unlike you i didn't get fucked by my own father.

and for the record its spelled phaggot, PHAGGOT!!!!!

It relates to having an adequate level of emotional intelligence to cope with everyday situations in life.

There is a correlation between idiots, that ‘stove’ people’s heads in - in a fit of Road Rage, and the same idiots that lose patience with children.

There is extensive research available on this matter and those who commit atrocities against children have been found to struggle in managing anger, they often mistrust in relationships, are more apt to be bullies, commit road rage, and more horrific violent acts, and contribute to the high cost of our mental health and welfare programs.

If you’re having trouble coping with your anger – I suggest you seek assistance before you end up as another tragic statistic

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It’s spelt faggots – you pig-ignorant, dumbass. Everyone experiences a lapse in concentration behind the wheel at some stage in their lives; this does not justify being assaulted or disfigured for such triviality.

Your mentality is the same one applied by the kahuis, and so many other brain dead idiots in this country. When the baby cry’s all night – do you have the emotional intelligence to deal with it? Or do you ‘stove’ the infants head in?

Every time you engage that peanut, and attempt to articulate yourself, you expose just what limited mental capacity you function with. Your grammar is terrible, and evidently, equivocal to that of a mindless child.

Why don’t you do society a favour next time you’re considering ‘stoving’ someone’s head in, and stove your own chicken-brained head in..

Wow it must have been the end of season sale at the cerebral department, or did you eat a brain tumor for breakfast?

Please explain how this relates to murdering two infant children you deluded fuckwit? and no i don't have to worry about crying infants as unlike you i didn't get fucked by my own father.

and for the record its spelled phaggot, PHAGGOT!!!!!

It relates to having an adequate level of emotional intelligence to cope with everyday situations in life.

There is a correlation between idiots, that ‘stove’ people’s heads in - in a fit of Road Rage, and the same idiots that lose patience with children.

There is extensive research available on this matter and those who commit atrocities against children have been found to struggle in managing anger, they often mistrust in relationships, are more apt to be bullies, commit road rage, and more horrific violent acts, and contribute to the high cost of our mental health and welfare programs.

If you’re having trouble coping with your anger – I suggest you seek assistance before you end up as another tragic statistic

quoted b4 edit.

[tomsammce]

getting road rage over a full grown and developed adult who is supposed to have sat their licience and know what the f*ck they are doing on the road couldnt be more different to getting so angry you kill or beat an infant.... they are totally different reason to get someone worked up.

i dont really see why you bought the kahui case up or beating kids up at all. its really has nothing to do with road rage.

can you provide evidence and statistics that people who get involved in road rage weather it be violence or some kind of disorderly behaviour while in a traffic situation are more likley to commit acts of domestic violence?

i dont think so, i bet their is more domestic violence offenders without any kind of road rage occurances/offences on their record than there are domestic violence offenders with road rage occurances/offences and i think there would be even less of a chance of there being more road rage offenders with domestic violence records than road rage offenders with no domestic violence.

they are two totally separate offences, except for the violence aspect and you cant relate them unless your a knob end like yourself.

for the record dale shepard has a young daughter of under 5 years of age. he would never assault her and loves her more than anyone in his life.

[MOD EDIT: No offensive comments, please.]

[Pseudonym]

Keep it civil, everyone. Debate hard, but drop the abuse. :naughty:

[tomsammce]

ivanka, you putting people who get angry behind the wheel into the same category as child abusers has really pissed me off. i get road rage... if some guke cant drive and doesnt indicate or cuts in front of me ill sit on myhorn if they pull into a gas station ill even pull in behind them get out my car and ask them wtf is going on... and why they cant drive and tell them to sort there shit out or f*ck off, never hit or threaten just hard words people need a wake up call! but i would never be violent or yell abuse to a small child or any one who is part of my family or in my circle of friends, young childrens brains arent fully developed so they cant express themselves they way adults can so they cry and sometimes dont stop. their co-ordination is fully developed so they do dumb shit somtimes like spill juice on carpet... i can accept that and even tho i might be mad inside that my carpets fucked i can appreciate its a young kid and realise i prob did the same so it doesnt bother me.

so there you go coming from my personal experience.

some people are thicker than a truck drivers sandwhich, and need to be woken the f*ck up on the road with some harsh words!

internet making me mad now... wheres a small child for me to kill... lol ur a fucken joke.

[Ivanka]

getting road rage over a full grown and developed adult who is supposed to have sat their licience and know what the f*ck they are doing on the road couldnt be more different to getting so angry you kill or beat an infant.... they are totally different reason to get someone worked up.

i dont really see why you bought the kahui case up or beating kids up at all. its really has nothing to do with road rage.

can you provide evidence and statistics that people who get involved in road rage weather it be violence or some kind of disorderly behaviour while in a traffic situation are more likley to commit acts of domestic violence?

i dont think so, i bet their is more domestic violence offenders without any kind of road rage occurances/offences on their record than there are domestic violence offenders with road rage occurances/offences and i think there would be even less of a chance of there being more road rage offenders with domestic violence records than road rage offenders with no domestic violence.

they are two totally separate offences, except for the violence aspect and you cant relate them unless your a knob end like yourself.

for the record dale shepard has a young daughter of under 5 years of age. he would never assault her and loves her more than anyone in his life.

[MOD EDIT: No offensive comments, please.]

When they "ran the numbers" on graduates of Stosny's domestic violence program, everyone was startled. Here is what they found:

Two thirds of those people court-ordered into the domestic violence program had multiple aggressive driving violations the year before. Many had more than 10. Many were driving on revoked licenses. In fact, 30% of them had revoked licenses.

"These people aren't keeping cool on the road," Stosny reports. But that was before they underwent compassion training.

What happened afterwards blew everyone's mind. The year before they learned compassion, 312 batterers our of 400 in the program had convictions—many of them multiple—for aggressive driving. The year after the compassion workshop, in which not one word was uttered about driving, there were only seven aggressive-driving convictions among the 400.

So there's very good reason for highway police to be on the lookout for aggressive drivers. Who knows how many of them are also batterers? And maybe they should be ticketed aggressively.

"The big hopeful thing, the reason I got involved in the aggressive driving thing anyway," says Stosny, "is I think if you can get these people for aggressive driving, and give them the same basic intervention, you can catch many people who are in violent relationships where the abuse is not being reported. And you can lower family violence. Of course, that has to be tested."

[jimjim83]

getting road rage over a full grown and developed adult who is supposed to have sat their licience and know what the f*ck they are doing on the road couldnt be more different to getting so angry you kill or beat an infant.... they are totally different reason to get someone worked up.

i dont really see why you bought the kahui case up or beating kids up at all. its really has nothing to do with road rage.

can you provide evidence and statistics that people who get involved in road rage weather it be violence or some kind of disorderly behaviour while in a traffic situation are more likley to commit acts of domestic violence?

i dont think so, i bet their is more domestic violence offenders without any kind of road rage occurances/offences on their record than there are domestic violence offenders with road rage occurances/offences and i think there would be even less of a chance of there being more road rage offenders with domestic violence records than road rage offenders with no domestic violence.

they are two totally separate offences, except for the violence aspect and you cant relate them unless your a knob end like yourself.

for the record dale shepard has a young daughter of under 5 years of age. he would never assault her and loves her more than anyone in his life.

[MOD EDIT: No offensive comments, please.]

When they "ran the numbers" on graduates of Stosny's domestic violence program, everyone was startled. Here is what they found:

Two thirds of those people court-ordered into the domestic violence program had multiple aggressive driving violations the year before. Many had more than 10. Many were driving on revoked licenses. In fact, 30% of them had revoked licenses.

"These people aren't keeping cool on the road," Stosny reports. But that was before they underwent compassion training.

What happened afterwards blew everyone's mind. The year before they learned compassion, 312 batterers our of 400 in the program had convictions—many of them multiple—for aggressive driving. The year after the compassion workshop, in which not one word was uttered about driving, there were only seven aggressive-driving convictions among the 400.

So there's very good reason for highway police to be on the lookout for aggressive drivers. Who knows how many of them are also batterers? And maybe they should be ticketed aggressively.

"The big hopeful thing, the reason I got involved in the aggressive driving thing anyway," says Stosny, "is I think if you can get these people for aggressive driving, and give them the same basic intervention, you can catch many people who are in violent relationships where the abuse is not being reported. And you can lower family violence. Of course, that has to be tested."

What a lot of shit domestic violence offenders are exactly that domestic. It is more than often just in the domestic unit that the violence appears and is hidden from the rest of the world.

Sure violent people are violent in all aspects of their live but there are plenty of domestic violence offenders who have never come to police attention as they bullie people they know wont fight back.

So if your saying that domestic violence and road rage go hand in hand your mistaken

[Ivanka]

getting road rage over a full grown and developed adult who is supposed to have sat their licience and know what the f*ck they are doing on the road couldnt be more different to getting so angry you kill or beat an infant.... they are totally different reason to get someone worked up.

i dont really see why you bought the kahui case up or beating kids up at all. its really has nothing to do with road rage.

can you provide evidence and statistics that people who get involved in road rage weather it be violence or some kind of disorderly behaviour while in a traffic situation are more likley to commit acts of domestic violence?

i dont think so, i bet their is more domestic violence offenders without any kind of road rage occurances/offences on their record than there are domestic violence offenders with road rage occurances/offences and i think there would be even less of a chance of there being more road rage offenders with domestic violence records than road rage offenders with no domestic violence.

they are two totally separate offences, except for the violence aspect and you cant relate them unless your a knob end like yourself.

for the record dale shepard has a young daughter of under 5 years of age. he would never assault her and loves her more than anyone in his life.

[MOD EDIT: No offensive comments, please.]

When they "ran the numbers" on graduates of Stosny's domestic violence program, everyone was startled. Here is what they found:

Two thirds of those people court-ordered into the domestic violence program had multiple aggressive driving violations the year before. Many had more than 10. Many were driving on revoked licenses. In fact, 30% of them had revoked licenses.

"These people aren't keeping cool on the road," Stosny reports. But that was before they underwent compassion training.

What happened afterwards blew everyone's mind. The year before they learned compassion, 312 batterers our of 400 in the program had convictions—many of them multiple—for aggressive driving. The year after the compassion workshop, in which not one word was uttered about driving, there were only seven aggressive-driving convictions among the 400.

So there's very good reason for highway police to be on the lookout for aggressive drivers. Who knows how many of them are also batterers? And maybe they should be ticketed aggressively.

"The big hopeful thing, the reason I got involved in the aggressive driving thing anyway," says Stosny, "is I think if you can get these people for aggressive driving, and give them the same basic intervention, you can catch many people who are in violent relationships where the abuse is not being reported. And you can lower family violence. Of course, that has to be tested."

What a lot of shit domestic violence offenders are exactly that domestic. It is more than often just in the domestic unit that the violence appears and is hidden from the rest of the world.

Sure violent people are violent in all aspects of their live but there are plenty of domestic violence offenders who have never come to police attention as they bullie people they know wont fight back.

So if your saying that domestic violence and road rage go hand in hand your mistaken

I’m not saying that they go hand in hand, and ‘Road Rage’ is somewhat of an umbrella term that encompasses everything from honking the horn and gesticulating frustration - right through to caving someone’s skull in with a hammer.

All I’m suggesting is that there is a correlation between ‘Road Rage’, in its more extreme form and that of domestic abuse. Whilst anger may trigger instances of both Road Rage and domestic violence, the real issue is a loss of perspective and control.

People who physically assault someone over a minor traffic incident experience that same loss of control and perspective as those that commit acts of domestic abuse.

[jimjim83]

When they "ran the numbers" on graduates of Stosny's domestic violence program, everyone was startled. Here is what they found:

Two thirds of those people court-ordered into the domestic violence program had multiple aggressive driving violations the year before. Many had more than 10. Many were driving on revoked licenses. In fact, 30% of them had revoked licenses.

"These people aren't keeping cool on the road," Stosny reports. But that was before they underwent compassion training.

What happened afterwards blew everyone's mind. The year before they learned compassion, 312 batterers our of 400 in the program had convictions—many of them multiple—for aggressive driving. The year after the compassion workshop, in which not one word was uttered about driving, there were only seven aggressive-driving convictions among the 400.

So there's very good reason for highway police to be on the lookout for aggressive drivers. Who knows how many of them are also batterers? And maybe they should be ticketed aggressively.

"The big hopeful thing, the reason I got involved in the aggressive driving thing anyway," says Stosny, "is I think if you can get these people for aggressive driving, and give them the same basic intervention, you can catch many people who are in violent relationships where the abuse is not being reported. And you can lower family violence. Of course, that has to be tested."

What a lot of shit domestic violence offenders are exactly that domestic. It is more than often just in the domestic unit that the violence appears and is hidden from the rest of the world.

Sure violent people are violent in all aspects of their live but there are plenty of domestic violence offenders who have never come to police attention as they bullie people they know wont fight back.

So if your saying that domestic violence and road rage go hand in hand your mistaken

I’m not saying that they go hand in hand, and ‘Road Rage’ is somewhat of an umbrella term that encompasses everything from honking the horn and gesticulating frustration - right through to caving someone’s skull in with a hammer.

All I’m suggesting is that there is a correlation between ‘Road Rage’, in its more extreme form and that of domestic abuse. Whilst anger may trigger instances of both Road Rage and domestic violence, the real issue is a loss of perspective and control.

People who physically assault someone over a minor traffic incident experience that same loss of control and perspective as those that commit acts of domestic abuse.

So violent people will be violent. :doh:

[Daz69]

People who physically assault someone over a minor traffic incident experience that same loss of control and perspective as those that commit acts of domestic abuse.

Someone cuts me up, almost causing an accident then decides to become rude & aggressive when I remonstrate with them... I kick the shite out em, they end up in hospital....

That doesn't in any way suggest that I am likely to be a likely candidate for domestic abuse at home....

Like marijuana leads to heroin addiction... :?

[Lurker]

Great example.....people who lose control when they are angry and lash out physically are obviously far more likely to commit domestic violence than those who can control their temper and fists. We aren't exactly talking rocket science when it's suggested that violent criminals are also far more likely to inflict violence upon spouses than your average mild mannered Joe Blogs.

Of course that doesn't mean that all road rage offenders will commit domestic violence or vice versa, but it's a bit laughable to try and claim that the two acts don't share many of the same characteristics and that road rage is somehow 'honourable'...

[Daz69]

Great example.....people who lose control when they are angry and lash out physically are obviously far more likely to commit domestic violence than those who can control their temper and fists. We aren't exactly talking rocket science when it's suggested that violent criminals are also far more likely to inflict violence upon spouses than your average mild mannered Joe Blogs.

You're taking it out of context, two adults (generally males) squaring up to each other at the side of a road over a traffic incident, is very different to a scene of domestic abuse within a family/home environment....

[tomsammce]

Great example.....people who lose control when they are angry and lash out physically are obviously far more likely to commit domestic violence than those who can control their temper and fists. We aren't exactly talking rocket science when it's suggested that violent criminals are also far more likely to inflict violence upon spouses than your average mild mannered Joe Blogs.

You're taking it out of context, two adults (generally males) squaring up to each other at the side of a road over a traffic incident, is very different to a scene of domestic abuse within a family/home environment....

exactly.

[jimjim83]

Great example.....people who lose control when they are angry and lash out physically are obviously far more likely to commit domestic violence than those who can control their temper and fists. We aren't exactly talking rocket science when it's suggested that violent criminals are also far more likely to inflict violence upon spouses than your average mild mannered Joe Blogs.

You're taking it out of context, two adults (generally males) squaring up to each other at the side of a road over a traffic incident, is very different to a scene of domestic abuse within a family/home environment....

Thats the words I was looking for

[Ivanka]

Great example.....people who lose control when they are angry and lash out physically are obviously far more likely to commit domestic violence than those who can control their temper and fists. We aren't exactly talking rocket science when it's suggested that violent criminals are also far more likely to inflict violence upon spouses than your average mild mannered Joe Blogs.

You're taking it out of context, two adults (generally males) squaring up to each other at the side of a road over a traffic incident, is very different to a scene of domestic abuse within a family/home environment....

Out of context? Most cases of extreme Road Rage, don’t involve 2 men going at it, in a noble act to settle a dispute. It usually involves an aggressor who demonstrates an inability to cope with anger in a controlled manner.

It’s a fair assumption to assume, that these same people, who use extreme violence as a means to deal with - what is an every-day-occurrence - are far more at risk of committing domestic violence, than as opposed to someone who deals with it in a mature and reasoned manner.

Someone who beats his wife senseless when the, Warriors lose, probably doesn’t possess the same degree of emotional intelligence, as most people would, in a rear-end collision.

The people who seek to “stove”, someone’s head in over a minor traffic incident, are no doubt at higher risk of committing domestic violence than someone with the ability to control Rage.

Do you think it’s just an uncanny coincidence that 312 batterers out of 400, in a program to address domestic abuse, had convictions for aggressive driving in the previous year? Could it be that there is a connection between people who struggle to control rage and domestic abuse? It’s certainly interesting that when these people addressed their anger issues, there were only 7 people with convictions related to aggressive driving in the subsequent year as opposed to 312 in the previous year.

This poor guy had his head “stoved” in, during an act of Road Rage, whilst trying to protect his autistic son: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3 ... ith-hammer

How do you justify that? Is it deemed excusable cause he cut someone off? A poster in an, aforementioned post, suggested he’d “stove” someone’s head for such an act.

[tomsammce]

everyone is just assuming and no ones got any statistics or facts to back up their assumptions. or have they?

ok ivankas link is one case.... ONE! wow no way!

[jimjim83]

Great example.....people who lose control when they are angry and lash out physically are obviously far more likely to commit domestic violence than those who can control their temper and fists. We aren't exactly talking rocket science when it's suggested that violent criminals are also far more likely to inflict violence upon spouses than your average mild mannered Joe Blogs.

You're taking it out of context, two adults (generally males) squaring up to each other at the side of a road over a traffic incident, is very different to a scene of domestic abuse within a family/home environment....

Out of context? Most cases of extreme Road Rage, don’t involve 2 men going at it, in a noble act to settle a dispute. It usually involves an aggressor who demonstrates an inability to cope with anger in a controlled manner.

It’s a fair assumption to assume, that these same people, who use extreme violence as a means to deal with - what is an every-day-occurrence - are far more at risk of committing domestic violence, than as opposed to someone who deals with it in a mature and reasoned manner.

Someone who beats his wife senseless when the Warriors lose, probably doesn’t possess the same degree of emotional intelligence as most people would, in a rear-end collision.

The people who seek to “stove”, someone’s head in over a minor traffic incident, are no doubt at higher risk of committing domestic violence than someone with the ability to control Rage.

Do you think it’s just an uncanny coincidence that 312 batterers out of 400, in a program to address domestic abuse, had convictions for aggressive driving in the previous year? Could it be that there is a connection between people who struggle to control rage and domestic abuse? It’s certainly interesting that when these people addressed their anger issues, there were only 7 convictions related to aggressive driving as opposed to 312 in the subsequent year.

This poor guy had his head “stoved” in, whilst trying to protect his autistic son: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3 ... ith-hammer

How do you justify that? Is it deemed excusable cause he cut someone off? A poster in an, aforementioned post, suggested he’d “stove” someone’s head for such an act.

What are you a first year uni student.

How about the white collar worker who earns 6 figures but beats his wife and child he doesnt have violence convictions against his name let alone road rage.

These people are not represented in your studies because your studies statistics are gained through a battered persons group. People in battered womans groups are obviously violent.

If you look for a link had enough you will find one.

Its like talking to a group of Heroin addicts about their drug use and concluding that alcohol/cannabis lead to heroin use. (yeah I stole your idea :pfft: )

[pyro]

Your evidence proves nothing, take a group of people with convicted road rage offenses and show me if they have any domestic violence related convictions. All you are showing is people with severe anger management issues, and you are looking for a link.

[thatwaslight]

Who was that fucked up woman who recently came on here detailing her life life story how her husband beat her ect? Reeks of her....... Ivanka is that the first time you have heard the term 'stove someone's head in' seems to be your new favorite?

And by the way what I was talking about is being met with aggression on the road not some old lady not looking when she pulls out.... I recenty experienced it myself some peice of shit with tattoos all over his face sped up behind me in a merging lane and and just cut right in front of me forcing me off the road almost hitting a powerpoll with my partner in the front seat.....I chased him for ten min and the only reason I didnt get out of my car and STOVE HIS FUCKING HEAD IN was because he had a 8 year old girl in the front seat....don't make assumptions about me you fucking homo you know nothing, go crawl back into your inbred mothers womb/pouch.

If you caused me to crash my car and possibly injure my loved ones because you were too stupid or careless to be worried about what your doing on the road If i got the oppourtunity i would make very sure it was BEATENinto your head

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