Baked beans???

[jahman]

hey just wandering how beneficial baked beans are for muscle building as i noticed they have quite a high protein value.

[Varven]

Its a good source of protein and carbohydrates and has a plate in a diet like anything else. Check individual brands though, as some may have excess sugar and salts etc. Overall I dont think any food is bad or evil, you just need to moderate it and these days I tend to steer away from sticking to too much of food from cans. All those preservatives gotta have some downside in the long run. Then again i take in all that whey so makes me wonder who Im fooling !

[jahman]

what brands do u recommend to stay away from coz i only eat good ol'watties

[Retro Blaster]

Just look at the nutritional values on the back of the can and look for total sodium and sugar. try and get the ones that have less

If your 16 i wouldnt worry too much about the diet keep the carbs high and protien moderate to high, if you are like me at 16 you will be burning around doing as much sport activities and other shit as possible so you need all the carbs and nutrients you can get but make sure you keep the protien up.

[02flex]

man, you guys a havn't got a clue do you! Baked beans are bloody shit food for bodybuilders. Its all made out of prcessed Soy. anything canned has got so much soy and preservitives to make it last longer on the shelf.

usless you want to have nice Man boobs carry on eating heaps of Soy as this raises your estrogen. the last thing any male bodybuilder wants to experiance. :evil:

[Varven]

man, you guys a havn't got a clue do you! Baked beans are bloody shit food for bodybuilders. Its all made out of prcessed Soy. anything canned has got so much soy and preservitives to make it last longer on the shelf.

usless you want to have nice Man boobs carry on eating heaps of Soy as this raises your estrogen. the last thing any male bodybuilder wants to experiance. :evil:

Take it easy big boy, soy isnt the mother of all evils. I wouldnt be worried about consuming 2/3 cans of baked beans a day raising my oestrogen levels. In fact, Im very certain you could even drink upto 250 - 500 ml of Soy mil a day and have no direct impact on Oestrongen levels or Decreased Test. Yes excessive Soy will reduce your test levels, but I really cant see the harm in 2 cans or so a week.

end of the day would you rather worry about the soy content in 3 cans worth of baked beans against the amount of carbs and proteins you get, probably not. If you were on 5 cans upwards a week then Im sure Id start to consider it. Besides hes 16, eat whatever you want and grow like crazy.

[Flex]

Unfortunately beans are an incomplete protein source - meaning they don't contain all the essential amino acids (as opposed to complete proteins which do). To make them complete you need to combine with another complimentary incomplete protein such as rice to ensure you get all the essential amino acids.

The way to combine incomplete protein is as follows:

Grains plus seeds - i.e. bread and seeds, or rice and seeds

Grains plus Dairy - cereal and milk, pasta with milk/cheese, bread with milk/cheese

or Grains plus Legumes - rice and beans, wheat bread and baked beans, legume soup with berad

Also the BV or bioavailabilty of beans is very low at around 50 or so. BV is basically an indicator as to how well the protein is able to be absorbed by the body. In comparison whey protein concentrate has a BV of 104 and whey isolate between 110 and 160.

This means that you would need to eat over twice as many grams of protein from beans to absorb the same amount of protein that you'd get from whey. (Whey is a complete protein so doesn't need to be combined with anything else).

But then it's not quite that simple. In 100g of whey you get between 75 and 90 odd grams of protein. However in 100g of baked beans (watties) you only get 4.5g of protein. So if I consumed 100g of whey per day I would be getting at least 75g of protein with a BV of 104 - meaning it is absorbed extremely efficiently. I would then have to eat 1.67kg of baked beans to get 75 grams of protein with a BV of around 50 odd. So I would actually have to eat OVER 3kg of baked beans PER DAY to get the same amount of absorbable protein that I can get from 100g of whey, and even then it's still incomplete. I know which one I'd rather use.

Treat beans as a carb source - not a protein source. Unless you're a free diving vegetarian stick to low fat animal proteins, dairy & whey, and eggs for the main sources of your protein. And yes - Avoid The Soy. Dirty, Evil, Soy.....

[02flex]

exactly correct Flex. thank you for being so informative. i would love to have gone into more detail. just my patience is thin and my diet is hard at the moment leading up to comp.

once again well said and will count on you to keep these young ones up to speed. :nod:

[Varven]

Thanks for the informative post flex, it cleared things up well.

Now onto a more pressing question Ive had for ages but no one ever gives me a constructive answer. Is there the likelihood of developing tolerance or allergy to whey when consumed in the long run? I hear reported events of people developing intolerance towards whey in the long run, is there any science behind it ? Also how much is too much ?

[Retro Blaster]

Not to be disrespectful or anything but i dont think every1 on this board wants to be a bodybuilder, in fact i think at 16 very few of us knew what the hell good nutrition was. Sure baked beans are not optimal for muscle building but in the context that Jahman has put it in i think it will be a very powerful food for one his age. At 16 i would assume that he doesnt buy his own food so he is restricted to what the parents get also his test levels should be high and estrogen shouldnt be that much of an issue, i would think all the alcohol most of the 16yr olds in TGA are drinking will deminish there test levels far more than the odd baked beans (not saying that Jahman is on of these drunk 16yr olds.

Given that for the body builders baked beans are no good but for a 16 yr old young man as active as he should be its a green light.

Just my 2 cents

RETRO BLASTER

[Retro Blaster]

Hey VV is that a hijack????

[Marcus]

At 16 I ate heaps of baked beans. I'm ok now. No man breasts or anything.

[waldo]

Just stained undies. In fact, my better half has banned me completely from consuming them. Great food or cyclists I can tell ya!

[deegee]

Just stained undies. In fact, my better half has banned me completely from consuming them. Great food or cyclists I can tell ya!

I dont want to think too much about this comment :pfft:

I try to stay away from canned and processed foods I would eat a can of beans maybe once a month. When I am counting my protien intake to meet my target I only count the protein I get from whey and whole foods like meat eggs fish.

a can everynow and then wont hurt or be bad for you.

[Varven]

Not to be disrespectful or anything but i dont think every1 on this board wants to be a bodybuilder, in fact i think at 16 very few of us knew what the hell good nutrition was. Sure baked beans are not optimal for muscle building but in the context that Jahman has put it in i think it will be a very powerful food for one his age. At 16 i would assume that he doesnt buy his own food so he is restricted to what the parents get also his test levels should be high and estrogen shouldnt be that much of an issue, i would think all the alcohol most of the 16yr olds in TGA are drinking will deminish there test levels far more than the odd baked beans (not saying that Jahman is on of these drunk 16yr olds.

Given that for the body builders baked beans are no good but for a 16 yr old young man as active as he should be its a green light.

Just my 2 cents

RETRO BLASTER

Very sensible post. Considering what most other 16 year olds eat and drink. It sure is better than maccas

[2guns]

just my patience is thin and my diet is hard at the moment leading up to comp.

wat comp r u doing?

[2guns]

and i eat baked beans once or twice a week. its a quick addition to a meal, cheap, and tastes good.

i say ease up on worrying bout getting bitch tits from abit of soy and dont go without just because yr scared of tht.

baked beans dont seem to be stopping me from gaining.

[02flex]

2guns,

comp, doing the worlds later on in the year, ps if you want to actually get lean on stage id knock out baked beans. by readinag on the other board, you wouldnt need to worry about estrogen as you use p.c.t correct?? :oops:

[jahman]

yo cheers for all the replies really helpful to know all this stuff.I aint eating them everyday i'd say 2-4 times a week so yeh im sure they cant be to harmful. :?

[2guns]

ps if you want to actually get lean on stage id knock out baked beans

no offence as yr right i would knock out the baked beans if i were preparing for a comp. but im not at the moment.

you wouldnt need to worry about estrogen as you use p.c.t correct??

wats this spoze to mean? :?

[2guns]

???

[sponge]

Unfortunately beans are an incomplete protein source - meaning they don't contain all the essential amino acids (as opposed to complete proteins which do). To make them complete you need to combine with another complimentary incomplete protein such as rice to ensure you get all the essential amino acids.

The way to combine incomplete protein is as follows:

Grains plus seeds - i.e. bread and seeds, or rice and seeds

Grains plus Dairy - cereal and milk, pasta with milk/cheese, bread with milk/cheese

or Grains plus Legumes - rice and beans, wheat bread and baked beans, legume soup with berad

Also the BV or bioavailabilty of beans is very low at around 50 or so. BV is basically an indicator as to how well the protein is able to be absorbed by the body. In comparison whey protein concentrate has a BV of 104 and whey isolate between 110 and 160.

This means that you would need to eat over twice as many grams of protein from beans to absorb the same amount of protein that you'd get from whey. (Whey is a complete protein so doesn't need to be combined with anything else).

But then it's not quite that simple. In 100g of whey you get between 75 and 90 odd grams of protein. However in 100g of baked beans (watties) you only get 4.5g of protein. So if I consumed 100g of whey per day I would be getting at least 75g of protein with a BV of 104 - meaning it is absorbed extremely efficiently. I would then have to eat 1.67kg of baked beans to get 75 grams of protein with a BV of around 50 odd. So I would actually have to eat OVER 3kg of baked beans PER DAY to get the same amount of absorbable protein that I can get from 100g of whey, and even then it's still incomplete. I know which one I'd rather use.

Treat beans as a carb source - not a protein source. Unless you're a free diving vegetarian stick to low fat animal proteins, dairy & whey, and eggs for the main sources of your protein. And yes - Avoid The Soy. Dirty, Evil, Soy.....

good post 8)