newbee cycle

[toofat]

Week 1 to 10: 0.25 Anastrozol daily

Week 1 to 10: 400mg of EQ weekly

Week 1 to 10: 500mg TEST weekly

Week 11 - 40mg nolva+ 100mg clomid daily

Week 12 - 30mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily

Week 13 - 20mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily

hi guys im new to the forums but have been doin a bit of research and was wondering if this would be a good cycle to start on as ive never done it before and what kind of price would i be lookin at for the lot cheers guys.

[Daz69]

Week 1 to 10: 0.25 Anastrozol daily

Week 1 to 10: 400mg of EQ weekly

Week 1 to 10: 500mg TEST weekly

Week 11 - 40mg nolva+ 100mg clomid daily

Week 12 - 30mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily

Week 13 - 20mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily

hi guys im new to the forums but have been doin a bit of research and was wondering if this would be a good cycle to start on as ive never done it before and what kind of price would i be lookin at for the lot cheers guys.

Think you should always consider running Test with Equipoise for 14-16 weeks........

But if you're a newbie, just run Test 500mg/week & dump the Anastrozol..

[thatwaslight]

drop every thing bar the test and run for 14 weeks. that is all.

[startinfromscratch]

drop every thing bar the test and run for 14 weeks. that is all.

[severe]

drop every thing bar the test and run for 14 weeks. that is all.

For first time around, this is the sweetness, imo.

[narcosis73]

drop every thing bar the test and run for 14 weeks. that is all.

so as a first cycle, you would'nt recommend kick starting with dbol for the first 4 weeks, seems to be alot of for and against views with regards to this topic.

[thatwaslight]

drop every thing bar the test and run for 14 weeks. that is all.

so as a first cycle, you would'nt recommend kick starting with dbol for the first 4 weeks, seems to be alot of for and against views with regards to this topic.

yes dbol is fine not another injectable tho

[toofat]

drop every thing bar the test and run for 14 weeks. that is all.

so as a first cycle, you would'nt recommend kick starting with dbol for the first 4 weeks, seems to be alot of for and against views with regards to this topic.

yes dbol is fine not another injectable tho

so dbol is alg to run as a newbee

[Chemo]

1 thing at a time is a way to see how you react to individual substances, instead of taking a few things and not knowing what is responsible for what sides or benefits. Best bet for a starter.

I would've liked to have tried Dbol first time but a small bout of dbol would be the exception as youd be able to see how it effected you within that small 4ish week period.

12-15 weeks is the sweet spot yo, get some good gains in those last weeks

[toofat]

1 thing at a time is a way to see how you react to individual substances, instead of taking a few things and not knowing what is responsible for what sides or benefits. Best bet for a starter.

I would've liked to have tried Dbol first time but a small bout of dbol would be the exception as youd be able to see how it effected you within that small 4ish week period.

12-15 weeks is the sweet spot yo, get some good gains in those last weeks

cheers man this seems prity sensible

[narcosis73]

and there you have it, one says all good and one says just keep it simple and run one compound to see how your body reacts, let the debate begin

[thatwaslight]

Running dbol along side test is fine, if your running 4 weeks dbol the test will not be fully working, its all dbol baby

[toofat]

drop every thing bar the test and run for 14 weeks. that is all.

so you wouldnt run a pct

[thatwaslight]

yes pct but not anything during unless you get estro trouble

[toofat]

yes pct but not anything during unless you get estro trouble

sweet that sounds good

[narcosis73]

yes pct but not anything during unless you get estro trouble

methanodex (Dianabol)40mg – 50mg Each day – Half @ breakfast , Half @ lunch. weeks 1 – 4.

Testosterone Enanthate – 400mg Each week – 1ml/200mg Monday, 1ml/200mg Thursday – weeks 1 – 12.

PCT

Starting at week 15

Clomid Therapy

Day 1 Day 2 Day 3 Day 4 Day 5 Day 6

Week 1 300 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg

Day 7

100 mg

Week 2 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 50 mg 50 mg

50 mg

Week 3 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg

50 mg

Tamoxifen – 20mg Everyday for weeks 15 – 17

what about this as a first cycle for him.

[toofat]

yes pct but not anything during unless you get estro trouble

methanodex (Dianabol)40mg – 50mg Each day – Half @ breakfast , Half @ lunch. weeks 1 – 4.

Testosterone Enanthate – 400mg Each week – 1ml/200mg Monday, 1ml/200mg Thursday – weeks 1 – 12.

PCT

Starting at week 15

Clomid Therapy

Day 1 Day 2 Day 3 Day 4 Day 5 Day 6

Week 1 300 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg

Day 7

100 mg

Week 2 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 100 mg 50 mg 50 mg

50 mg

Week 3 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg 50 mg

50 mg

Tamoxifen – 20mg Everyday for weeks 15 – 17

what about this as a first cycle for him.

so dianabol and test together will work or not im gettin mixed signals here lol

[Outkast]

so dianabol and test together will work or not im gettin mixed signals here lol

test-e can take 4-5 weeks to kick in it kicks for me around 4... everyones different... dbol is commonly used for the first 4-5 weeks in long ester cycles because it doesnt take very long to kick in... its like a piggy back till the test starts working

[Outkast]

methanodex (Dianabol)

mmm... sciroxx =P~

[maassive]

there are good advices here so all i'll say is you wanna make sure you've got an AI + nolva before you start. As you haven't done it before you don't know how bad your estrogen sides will be and it can be a pain in the ass to try and source these half way through - as in may take a few weeks.

[rovr4on]

If test e has a half-life of 14days, in theory shouldnt the effects be felt within that period rather than 4-5 weeks?

[maassive]

If test e has a half-life of 14days, in theory shouldnt the effects be felt within that period rather than 4-5 weeks?

i have wondered this as well...

[Riccardo]

It depends on the half life of the drug, steady state blood concentrations are reached in a bout 4-5 half-lives so that would mean ~2-3 weeks.

Having said that, it takes a while for the androgen receptor mediated effects to be felt even when optimal blood levels are reached and in this respect everyone is different with regards to receptor sensitivity, density etc.

where did you get a half life of 14 days from?

I thought Test-e was around 4 days? Cyp is like 8 days isn't it?

[PeterDolan]

where did you get a half life of 14 days from?

I thought Test-e was around 4 days? Cyp is like 8 days isn't it?

Isn't 14 the time it takes to clear? I've read for test e it's 5 but it's just what I've gathered from reading

Having said that, it takes a while for the androgen receptor mediated effects to be felt even when optimal blood levels are reached and in this respect everyone is different with regards to receptor sensitivity, density etc.

Is that why some say that test e doesn't really kick in til around the 8th week?

[Riccardo]

where did you get a half life of 14 days from?

I thought Test-e was around 4 days? Cyp is like 8 days isn't it?

Isn't 14 the time it takes to clear? I've read for test e it's 5 but it's just what I've gathered from reading

Having said that, it takes a while for the androgen receptor mediated effects to be felt even when optimal blood levels are reached and in this respect everyone is different with regards to receptor sensitivity, density etc.

Is that why some say that test e doesn't really kick in til around the 8th week?

Yeah It take approximately 4-5 half lives for blood levels to be cleared to a steady state also. So that would mean ~ 2-3 weeks. Half life is the time taken for the drugs concentration in your blood to fall by half.

Edit: I just read that its around 5 days also.

In terms of time taken to "kick in". This is what people would use to describe the time taken to see a therapeutic effect, there isn't always a strong correlation between drug concentration at the receptor site and therapeutic effect. This is particularly true for AAS because they work through the androgen (steroid hormone) receptor which acts through gene transcription, this has the longest latency between receptor activation and effect compared with any other receptor type. Also the drug may very well be having an effect even though the user isn't aware of it.