Fake Gear WATCH OUT!!!!

[HarryB]

And what I'm saying SD is that what you write makes you sound like you have a vested interest which then bring to the fore every comment you make about the people who bag these products. I have read far more than 2 complaints about these individuals and thier products and have had information relayed to me about them from people I trust which would lead me to believe that they are dubious at best and straight crooks at worst.

Oh and no I won't say who has told me or even the nature of what I have been told other than that it was negative. I'v only read one positive endorsement and that was yours. I wanna see pics of the bottles you have so I can make comparisons to the ones Posted earlier.

I believe the guy who started the thread was directly affected, not a friend of a friend of a cousin of a mate.

[tomsammce]

i also dnt know why u think im on a witchhunt or have alterior motives i like empire... i have used them with success. i even posted a product reveiw on the empire testosterone suspension in the steroid section, no one replied to it so its got forgotten about pretty quickly so i dnt have anything against empire products i know they are good and its very big up here in auckland. the pic of the orange sust gaza posted is real its very good sust... perfect oil perfect results everytime.

[WANABJAKD]

so pretty compared to mine lol

[Daz69]

:pfft: :pfft: :pfft:

[HarryB]

:pfft: :pfft: :pfft:

Daz if I eat them will I get the same affect??

[Chemo]

:pfft: :pfft: :pfft:

Lols, just microwave it and the olives should disolve

:pfft:

[thatwaslight]

If they crash just add some balsamic vinegar.

[HarryB]

If they crash just add some balsamic vinegar.

balsamic would go perfect with my spaghetti arms!

[thatwaslight]

If they crash just add some balsamic vinegar.

balsamic would go perfect with my spaghetti arms!

When it comes to me I've seen bigger arm on beach chairs bro.

[musclenz]

i also dnt know why u think im on a witchhunt or have alterior motives i like empire... i have used them with success. i even posted a product reveiw on the empire testosterone suspension in the steroid section, no one replied to it so its got forgotten about pretty quickly so i dnt have anything against empire products i know they are good and its very big up here in auckland. the pic of the orange sust gaza posted is real its very good sust... perfect oil perfect results everytime.

So just getting back to the topic Lads.....Tom, as a bit of a spokesman and expert on Empire Products, would you say that these vials posted up by gaza246 & purchased in Ak, are not out of the Empire Stable? Just curious :?

[train hard]

no one is bagging the empire or global brands there gear is good the problem is there are assholes who have the real shit but are watering down into other vials with who knows what other shit! this IS ! HAPPENING and are relabelling etc etc sure guys in the know with the connections will get the good shit but the poor knob will get the rubbish and sometimes dangerous shit and that is not right if you want to rip them off just charge a really high price and make your money that way no need to sell fake watered down dangerous gear the guys are scum but this is drug dealing no surprises really buyer beware

[Sifo-Dyas]

i also dnt know why u think im on a witchhunt or have alterior motives i like empire... i have used them with success. i even posted a product reveiw on the empire testosterone suspension in the steroid section, no one replied to it so its got forgotten about pretty quickly so i dnt have anything against empire products i know they are good and its very big up here in auckland. the pic of the orange sust gaza posted is real its very good sust... perfect oil perfect results everytime.

This is exactly what I'm talking about thank you Tom!

Gaza posted pics on here that people will automatically assume are fakes and avoid them. But here you are with personal experience that says that at least one of the pics shown is a good product you have had results out of.

Empire are big and popular up in Auckland but they wont be for long if misleading crap is posted about their legit products.

[HarryB]

i also dnt know why u think im on a witchhunt or have alterior motives i like empire... i have used them with success. i even posted a product reveiw on the empire testosterone suspension in the steroid section, no one replied to it so its got forgotten about pretty quickly so i dnt have anything against empire products i know they are good and its very big up here in auckland. the pic of the orange sust gaza posted is real its very good sust... perfect oil perfect results everytime.

This is exactly what I'm talking about thank you Tom!

Gaza posted pics on here that people will automatically assume are fakes and avoid them. But here you are with personal experience that says that at least one of the pics shown is a good product you have had results out of.

Empire are big and popular up in Auckland but they wont be for long if misleading crap is posted about their legit products.

Ummm I think the whole issue revolves around someone faking the empire products. I would have thought from reading the original posting that was pretty evident, so the anger is directed at the individuals perceived to be responsible for doing this. Hmmmm are we reading the same thread Sifo?

[Sifo-Dyas]

And what I'm saying SD is that what you write makes you sound like you have a vested interest which then bring to the fore every comment you make about the people who bag these products. I have read far more than 2 complaints about these individuals and thier products and have had information relayed to me about them from people I trust which would lead me to believe that they are dubious at best and straight crooks at worst.

Oh and no I won't say who has told me or even the nature of what I have been told other than that it was negative. I'v only read one positive endorsement and that was yours. I wanna see pics of the bottles you have so I can make comparisons to the ones Posted earlier.

I believe the guy who started the thread was directly affected, not a friend of a friend of a cousin of a mate.

Have a look at the opening sentence Harry -

"The other day a bro turned up with a bottle of Empire Test E"

And so it began.

As far as a vested interest, I wish! I have a vested interest in bodybuilding and the culture involved in bodybuilding. I know a few worthy physiques I have competed against that were built on a diet of these brands.

You can't even get Empire or Global in my part of the country mate so you miss the mark by thousands of km when it comes to a vested interest. Remove that suspicion from my posts and what are you left with?

I wish I had kept a bottle of Empire a mate from Hamilton sent me and I would have posted a comparison for certain. It would be valuable to everyone to be able to spot the fake labels.

[musclenz]

no one is bagging the empire or global brands there gear is good the problem is there are assholes who have the real shit but are watering down into other vials with who knows what other shit! this IS ! HAPPENING and are relabelling etc etc sure guys in the know with the connections will get the good shit but the poor knob will get the rubbish and sometimes dangerous shit and that is not right if you want to rip them off just charge a really high price and make your money that way no need to sell fake watered down dangerous gear the guys are scum but this is drug dealing no surprises really buyer beware

:doh: We are trying to establish whether these vials I posted up are indeed Empire or are they copies. Quite simple question. Not bagging Empire at all.

[HarryB]

And what I'm saying SD is that what you write makes you sound like you have a vested interest which then bring to the fore every comment you make about the people who bag these products. I have read far more than 2 complaints about these individuals and thier products and have had information relayed to me about them from people I trust which would lead me to believe that they are dubious at best and straight crooks at worst.

Oh and no I won't say who has told me or even the nature of what I have been told other than that it was negative. I'v only read one positive endorsement and that was yours. I wanna see pics of the bottles you have so I can make comparisons to the ones Posted earlier.

I believe the guy who started the thread was directly affected, not a friend of a friend of a cousin of a mate.

Have a look at the opening sentence Harry -

"The other day a bro turned up with a bottle of Empire Test E"

And so it began.

As far as a vested interest, I wish! I have a vested interest in bodybuilding and the culture involved in bodybuilding. I know a few worthy physiques I have competed against that were built on a diet of these brands.

You can't even get Empire or Global in my part of the country mate so you miss the mark by thousands of km when it comes to a vested interest. Remove that suspicion from my posts and what are you left with?

I wish I had kept a bottle of Empire a mate from Hamilton sent me and I would have posted a comparison for certain. It would be valuable to everyone to be able to spot the fake labels.

What am I left with? Ummmm you questioning everyone who puts forward a complaint about something that you say you have had success with. It's not the brand that is the problem, it's that some individuals have counterfeited it and that's what is causing the problem.

And as if distance ever stood in the way of a good vested interest, I didn't realise guys in NZ only deal with or use suppliers within walking distance of their homes.

You my friend are quite the pompous ass at times.

[train hard]

no one is bagging the empire or global brands there gear is good the problem is there are assholes who have the real shit but are watering down into other vials with who knows what other shit! this IS ! HAPPENING and are relabelling etc etc sure guys in the know with the connections will get the good shit but the poor knob will get the rubbish and sometimes dangerous shit and that is not right if you want to rip them off just charge a really high price and make your money that way no need to sell fake watered down dangerous gear the guys are scum but this is drug dealing no surprises really buyer beware

:doh: We are trying to establish whether these vials I posted up are indeed Empire or are they copies. Quite simple question. Not bagging Empire at all.

yea fair enough i have taken empire test enanthate and i can't see any difference looks the same wish i still had the old vial so i could really compare but i thought it was good test i was more having a rant about some of the guys that are supplying in auckland i would hope to think most of the empire gear is legit im sure it is but who knows im out

[Sifo-Dyas]

What am I left with? Ummmm you questioning everyone who puts forward a complaint about something that you say you have had success with. It's not the brand that is the problem, it's that some individuals have counterfeited it and that's what is causing the problem.

And as if distance ever stood in the way of a good vested interest, I didn't realise guys in NZ only deal with or use suppliers within walking distance of their homes.

You my friend are quite the pompous ass at times.

Haha now that cracks me up mate. Unfortunately I doubt you would understand even if I tried to explain the gear culture to you and the reason I would protect a brand I can't even get down here. And hey that's weird don't you think? why can't I get Empire or Global where I live? And the answer is not "because I am not connected" I could contact people in Auckland, buy it in bulk and sell it here!!!... Y hasn't anyone done that?

But wow that is a narrow minded view of things you have and the "pompous"? yeah probably it would appear that way to anyone that is not well informed on what goes on behind the gear scene. in New Zealand

Think outside the square, it is much bigger than the box you have put it in

[Pseudonym]

Well, I'm totally confused. So just to recap:

- Some people are saying there is fake Empire and/or Global Pharmacies gear floating around.

- There is also legit product from those brands that people have had good results with.

- Some photos of vials have been posted, but there's some debate as to whether these are examples of fake or legit product, or how to tell the difference.

Have I left anything out? Does that pretty much summarise the last 6 pages?

[Sifo-Dyas]

Well, I'm totally confused. So just to recap:

- Some people are saying there is fake Empire and/or Global Pharmacies gear floating around.

- There is also legit product from those brands that people have had good results with.

- Some photos of vials have been posted, but there's some debate as to whether these are examples of fake or legit product, or how to tell the difference.

Have I left anything out? Does that pretty much summarise the last 6 pages?

Spot on as always. It is great to see you can get the jist out of all the crap that has been posted.

Now The other point was to draw attention to the suppliers of the alleged fake product. We all know how that went down and I don't care who they are or what they were accused of. IT WAS WRONG TO NAME THEM!

Guilty until crucified huh? We haven't come a long way from the witch hunts.

We have some pictures posted of gear that we thought was fake. But Tom told us that at least one of them is legit.

So potentially legit gear is getting real bad press on this thread and again THAT IS WRONG.

We need a comparison so we can tell them apart or the pictures need to be removed. Or just kill this thread before it damages the reputation of not only good quality brands of gear but NZBB!

[HarryB]

What am I left with? Ummmm you questioning everyone who puts forward a complaint about something that you say you have had success with. It's not the brand that is the problem, it's that some individuals have counterfeited it and that's what is causing the problem.

And as if distance ever stood in the way of a good vested interest, I didn't realise guys in NZ only deal with or use suppliers within walking distance of their homes.

You my friend are quite the pompous ass at times.

Haha now that cracks me up mate. Unfortunately I doubt you would understand even if I tried to explain the gear culture to you and the reason I would protect a brand I can't even get down here. And hey that's weird don't you think? why can't I get Empire or Global where I live? And the answer is not "because I am not connected" I could contact people in Auckland, buy it in bulk and sell it here!!!... Y hasn't anyone done that?

But wow that is a narrow minded view of things you have and the "pompous"? yeah probably it would appear that way to anyone that is not well informed on what goes on behind the gear scene. in New Zealand

Think outside the square, it is much bigger than the box you have put it in

Wouldn't I know the gear scene in NZ? And why wouldn't I understand it? That's amusing to hear because I was in it when it was just starting to hit NZ. When you really did have to know someone well before you could get anything and we didn't have the availability or ease of access that we enjoy now. Well you guys actually have it easier in NZ because with a smaller population and less users the bikies and big time drug dealers haven't yet decided to step in and take the coin that's being made from selling home made steroids or counterfeiting on a large scale.

I think forums like this allow people to discuss experiences good and bad that they have had with products, brands and peddlers. At any stage a good brand or brand name can be corrupted by an unscrupulous peddler. If people aren't informed than their is no onus on the maker to produce quality goods and there is no come back on the counterfeiters for selling shit product. What you do by rubbishing guys for making statements related to their experience is take away the opportunity for others of us to learn from their mistakes or at least make an objective decision albeit it one based on subjective evidence.

I probably shouldn't have said you were pompous cos name calling is best saved for in person so I do apologise, immature on my part.

I don't think I am particularly narrow minded but perhaps my experiences in the real world aren't as varied as yours, although I doubt that very much.

This particular diatribe is taking away from the thread and not particularly helpful so I shall leave it at that.

[Sifo-Dyas]

It is a different world these days alright!

There were a couple of your unscrupulous people jumping on the band wagon and I had a crack at them subtly because I know who they are and what they do.

My suspicion towards Gaza was because this is the second time he has had a go at those two suppliers and neither time was he directly involved.

This may indeed be unfounded but to learn from his (friends) mistakes we need to be able to identify the pics, otherwise if I was not "in the know" I would never touch another bottle of Empire or Global and this is unfair to all the hard work the manufacturers have invested into establishing these brands.

There is so much fantastic information people can find on this site and in this section and it only ever turns to real crap when someone starts posting brands and names.

It has been months since this has reared its ugly head and this week it has happened twice!

I can't help myself when it comes unethical injustice and brand slagging. I apologise if I have personally offended anyone while prying for the truth.

[musclenz]

What am I left with? Ummmm you questioning everyone who puts forward a complaint about something that you say you have had success with. It's not the brand that is the problem, it's that some individuals have counterfeited it and that's what is causing the problem.

And as if distance ever stood in the way of a good vested interest, I didn't realise guys in NZ only deal with or use suppliers within walking distance of their homes.

You my friend are quite the pompous ass at times.

Haha now that cracks me up mate. Unfortunately I doubt you would understand even if I tried to explain the gear culture to you and the reason I would protect a brand I can't even get down here. And hey that's weird don't you think? why can't I get Empire or Global where I live? And the answer is not "because I am not connected" I could contact people in Auckland, buy it in bulk and sell it here!!!... Y hasn't anyone done that?

But wow that is a narrow minded view of things you have and the "pompous"? yeah probably it would appear that way to anyone that is not well informed on what goes on behind the gear scene. in New Zealand

Think outside the square, it is much bigger than the box you have put it in

Wouldn't I know the gear scene in NZ? And why wouldn't I understand it? That's amusing to hear because I was in it when it was just starting to hit NZ. When you really did have to know someone well before you could get anything and we didn't have the availability or ease of access that we enjoy now. Well you guys actually have it easier in NZ because with a smaller population and less users the bikies and big time drug dealers haven't yet decided to step in and take the coin that's being made from selling home made steroids or counterfeiting on a large scale.

I think forums like this allow people to discuss experiences good and bad that they have had with products, brands and peddlers. At any stage a good brand or brand name can be corrupted by an unscrupulous peddler. If people aren't informed than their is no onus on the maker to produce quality goods and there is no come back on the counterfeiters for selling shit product. What you do by rubbishing guys for making statements related to their experience is take away the opportunity for others of us to learn from their mistakes or at least make an objective decision albeit it one based on subjective evidence.

I probably shouldn't have said you were pompous cos name calling is best saved for in person so I do apologise, immature on my part.

I don't think I am particularly narrow minded but perhaps my experiences in the real world aren't as varied as yours, although I doubt that very much.

This particular diatribe is taking away from the thread and not particularly helpful so I shall leave it at that.

Dont stop now Harry your replies to Sifo are legend. Cut him down to size. He needs a bit of trimming up So the gangsters are gettin in behind gear manufacture in Aussie aye? Whats the world coming to :roll: Whats the gear scene in Sydney like? heard there was a bit of a famine last year.

[thatwaslight]

The market in oz is expensive! lol

[tomsammce]

omg.... this is just going round in fucken circles with really nobody knowing what they are talking about.

that orange labelled sutanon is the real deal empire that will give u very good results. those others are fake.... turn the orange labelled sustanon which i will take a picture of one i have available to me and i will also post a picture of a black labelled empire testosterone suspension... u have posted the red labelled test enanthates front and back veiw gaza but the differences in the labels is on the rear side where u will see there is more info than on the red ones printed u have not included this from ur orange labelled vial. from what i am aware of the authentic empire have changed there vials to a smaller more compact 10ml vial. u will see this when i post my photos tommrow of the different sized 10ml vials.

as for the global pharmacy... i havnt had experience with this. i have had experieince with the Global Anabolics thought which a website is available for where you can authenticate your supplier and your gear to make sure it is not faked or unauthentic.

the global pharmacy which gaza posted pictures of looks dodgy as f*ck straight away! the person who designed or printed the labells up cant spell enanthate properly nor can they spell nandrolone. the global pharmacy sustanon250's labell isnt even sustanon. sustanon is a blend of 4 esters this labell on the global pharmacy vial advertises it as 5 esters.... whats up with that? and finally why do all the oils vary in colour so much, that doesnt need to be and would raise alarms with me also.

i agree with sifo it was wrong to name the people, so im sorry for my involvement in naming when i dnt have proof or even know the guys.

my post now and tommorow is for copied labels and i dont know anything other than rumour and alot of feedback that the oil inside these copied vials is fake. i havnt had any personal experience with using it or testing it. but i personally wouldnt use it at all.

ill post pics tommrow with an easy basic explanation for no confusion and finally can put this thread to bed

and finally... as MNZ said earlier is this thread or another i cant quite remember. but he said gear in nz has never been more readily available and for these prices. so there is no need to be getting sold fake stuff... ask more people more questions.

only fools rush in.