Bodybuilders: Do you Drink & how much?

[newbb]

yea i drink, nothing over the top tho like 3-6 drinks ona saturday night depending on where i am and whats going on. every 5 - 6 weeks il hit the city and have a big night, i think its good to let loose everynow and again just not all the time. but in saying that i might not drink for few weeks too. id prefer to not drink as i get the BIGGEST hangovers takes me 2 days to get over a big night LOL, and i cant eat when im really hungover so my training suffers for the next day or 2! last year i tried not drinking for 3 months and my training was great, i felt good my strength was constantly improving and i was able to eat well everyday of the week :grin:

[jerume]

I would have a couple of wines in a week,Bodybuilding isnt the reason I dont drink that much,Nzl has such a bad binge drinking problem, I would rather go out for dinner with the Wife and few friends and relax,Im over going clubbing and drinking with guys with a ego problem wanting to fight,oh and feel like crap the next day. Also might not help that a friend of mine killed himself while drinking and driving in December,open's your eyes when something like that happens.

[tomsammce]

Opens ur eyes to what? No offence or disrespect, but drinking and drink driving are two totally separate subjects. One is acceptable the other is stupidity.

Yup I'm out this sat nigt prob have a dozen steiny pures and half an appletons then head into town, have some treats and few more rounds to keep the blood alcohols nice and stable have a few more with the taxi money then finish with a 2 kilometer $90 dash at 7am from the afgani taxi driver.... Looks promising

[thatwaslight]

Opens ur eyes to what? No offence or disrespect, but drinking and drink driving are two totally separate subjects. One is acceptable the other is stupidity.

Yup I'm out this sat nigt prob have a dozen steiny pures and half an appletons then head into town, have some treats and few more rounds to keep the blood alcohols nice and stable have a few more with the taxi money then finish with a 2 kilometer $90 dash at 7am from the afgani taxi driver.... Looks promising

lmao

[jerume]

No offense to u either but thats exactly whats wrong with nzl,binge drinking is one of our major problems,seems very immature

[tomsammce]

I'm not binge drinking I'm having a good time. Now no offence to any Maoris or pacific islanders all the ones I know are good cunts and for sure it's the minority if them that do this. But it's them that gives alcohol a bad rap nz, it's not a new Zealand problem it's their problem I can't stand being categorized with their black alcohol fuelled domestic violence binges by ppl like you who say nz has a drinking problem. Ppl needa start having some accountability. If u watch all those 111 emergency programs and motorway patrol then u will know wat I'm saying.

Discuss...

[tomsammce]

You don't have to consume much alcohol at all to be classed as a binge drinker... It would be like saying hey guys your all classed as obese and ur bmi is way out so stop eating so much and training... This kind of guide lines are made by pencil neck 4 eyed homos who have been at university all their life but don't know shit other than how to write essays and blow the lecturer

[samoan_muscle]

Opens ur eyes to what? No offence or disrespect, but drinking and drink driving are two totally separate subjects. One is acceptable the other is stupidity.

Yup I'm out this sat nigt prob have a dozen steiny pures and half an appletons then head into town, have some treats and few more rounds to keep the blood alcohols nice and stable have a few more with the taxi money then finish with a 2 kilometer $90 dash at 7am from the afgani taxi driver.... Looks promising

2KM!

You need to find a better route!

[samoan_muscle]

I'm not binge drinking I'm having a good time. Now no offence to any Maoris or pacific islanders all the ones I know are good cunts and for sure it's the minority if them that do this. But it's them that gives alcohol a bad rap nz, it's not a new Zealand problem it's their problem I can't stand being categorized with their black alcohol fuelled domestic violence binges by ppl like you who say nz has a drinking problem. Ppl needa start having some accountability. If u watch all those 111 emergency programs and motorway patrol then u will know wat I'm saying.

Discuss...

Hope Im one of the "good cunts"

However, yes, Im offended. To base your argument on what you see on Police 10/7 etc is riduculous. Your only seeing what the director of that program wants you to see. Other than these "programs", on what basis do you claim that the majority of alcohol fueled domestic violence occurs in Pacific Island / Maori homes?

[tomsammce]

Opens ur eyes to what? No offence or disrespect, but drinking and drink driving are two totally separate subjects. One is acceptable the other is stupidity.

Yup I'm out this sat nigt prob have a dozen steiny pures and half an appletons then head into town, have some treats and few more rounds to keep the blood alcohols nice and stable have a few more with the taxi money then finish with a 2 kilometer $90 dash at 7am from the afgani taxi driver.... Looks promising

2KM!

You need to find a better route!

na yeah it's about 1km run to my car that I parked in that location before I went to town then drive that 1km to home that's incase the dog handler gets called out and then I'm safe...

[tomsammce]

Ah yes sm you are a good c*nt lol always have been. Don't be naieve mate I'm sure the director wouldn't edit out all the white ppls domestic violence incidents and just show the coloured ones. On the other hand most of those programs are filmed in sth Auckland which has the highest number of Polynesian and Maori living there but then one could say if it wasn't all happening there then the majourity of filming wouldn't be done there...

That was just an example ther are plenty of actual statistics out there the support my post. I'm on my mobile right now so not gonna go searching

[jerume]

Unfortunately the statistics do say maori/pacific islanders are in thehigher bracket of binge drinking,but they are nzlders so it is a nzl problem.4+ drinks in one sitting is considered binge drinking,not many people know that,and unfortunately police ten 7 is what is happening out there.alot of my mates head into town and get boozed and get into trouble,they say they just having fun but its a shame we have to drink to have fun

[tomsammce]

Not everyone who drinks causes trouble jerume... Drinking is all good! It's the people drinking, same kinda arguement bout guns and 250cc learner m/c liciences... People are always looking for excuses and trying to ban things from sensible people to try and aid dickheads with no self control and lack of other behaviour that most people had a grip on at age 10.

As for the 4 standard drinks or more is bingeing it's just a joke people can legally drive after a 'binge drink' lol

[Daz69]

The Police as an organization don't hold figures on binge drinking alone, the statistics they hold are crime based, which include alcohol & drugs related offences.

New Zealand as a whole, shows 2/3 of All crime to be committed by Maori, the rest is broken down into Pacific Islanders/Indians/Asians/Europeans/& other Westerners....

In stating this most of the drink fueled domestic violence is based on location & class with poverty factoring highly.

Obviously South Auckland has a predominately Maori/Pacific Islander population, with high unemployment therefore statistics will reflect so.

The more rural areas of NZ also have a higher level of unemployment where population ethnicity differs greatly, IE: Coromandel/Bay of Plenty are predominately white.

Its in areas like these where the offenders of binge drinking crime & domestic violence and even alcohol induced fatal traffic collisions are mainly white trash....

So when you break it down its not about what colour you are, its about how & where you live.....

[rovr4on]

alcohol definately is a cultural thing, there are many reasons why maori and pacific islanders have more drinking issues than so called white people. One could be that white folks have been drinking alcohol for centuries so there is a different attitude towards it compared to that of islanders and maori who have been introduced to alcohol in the last 100 years...there are too many variables to count that elaborate on why this is. Not to mention education and income are significant variables associated with binge drinking..

I personally dont get violent on booze, if anything booze makes me less violent that what I am when im sober, booze just makes me happy

[maassive]

The Police as an organization don't hold figures on binge drinking alone, the statistics they hold are crime based, which include alcohol & drugs related offences.

New Zealand as a whole, shows 2/3 of All crime to be committed by Maori, the rest is broken down into Pacific Islanders/Indians/Asians/Europeans/& other Westerners....

In stating this most of the drink fueled domestic violence is based on location & class with poverty factoring highly.

Obviously South Auckland has a predominately Maori/Pacific Islander population, with high unemployment therefore statistics will reflect so.

The more rural areas of NZ also have a higher level of unemployment where population ethnicity differs greatly, IE: Coromandel/Bay of Plenty are predominately white.

Its in areas like these where the offenders of binge drinking crime & domestic violence and even alcohol induced fatal traffic collisions are mainly white trash....

So when you break it down its not about what colour you are, its about how & where you live.....

Agreed.

In fact it's common sense. We are all human beings; the colour of our skin represents minor changes in dna regarding pigmentation but little more. Colour cannot be responsible for crime - it is illogical. What can be responsible is socio-economic conditions, with poverty being the most obvious. The other thing to remember is that cultures do not reflect simply the values they would like to reflect, but also reflect the issues and longstanding conditions to which they have been subjected, by various others such as environmental factors, and or other people with factors such as racism.

A good example of the latter can be seen by taking a longer look at NZ history. Maori cultural expressions, and especially language were banned in school and NZ culture, religion and language were enforced - and with violence (yes, in school even). A Maori child would be whipped at school for speaking maori, and whipped at home for speaking english. The end result of this is going to be a generation or more of people who have been subjected to conditions which stunted opportunity, and in particular, education. Flip forward a hundred years and you have an ethic group which are disproportionately wealthy and educated. This is not because of a genetic lack of intelligence, but social conditions. The corollation between poverty, lack of education and crime is obvious and well documented. This is why statistics reflect disproportionately higher crime all over, including alcohol fuelled domestic violence, in pacific island and Maori communities (like South Auckland).

In that respect, Samoan Muscle, I think Tom is right in saying that they are higher. But I don't think Tom is trying to say that these people are worse kinds of people. I also agree with Tom when he says that drinking and drink-driving are different issues, and that drinking is all good. Drinking is one of the longest standing social customs we have, and furthermore (as I've been researching recently including Alan Aragon's recent article about Alcohol at T-nation.com...) Drinking is actually really good for health in moderation. Red wine is one of the most effective tools to raise low "good" cholesterol - which those who supplement with Vitamin Test will likely suffer from.

However, is it not glaringly obvious that Tom is demonstrating EXACTLY the kind of problem excessive drinking causes by talking about getting wasted all night and then robbing a taxi driver who - note - Tom includes a racial description for! Oh I see tom, because he's afgani it's all good to rob him. WTF bro? Seriously.

[rovr4on]

The Police as an organization don't hold figures on binge drinking alone, the statistics they hold are crime based, which include alcohol & drugs related offences.

New Zealand as a whole, shows 2/3 of All crime to be committed by Maori, the rest is broken down into Pacific Islanders/Indians/Asians/Europeans/& other Westerners....

In stating this most of the drink fueled domestic violence is based on location & class with poverty factoring highly.

Obviously South Auckland has a predominately Maori/Pacific Islander population, with high unemployment therefore statistics will reflect so.

The more rural areas of NZ also have a higher level of unemployment where population ethnicity differs greatly, IE: Coromandel/Bay of Plenty are predominately white.

Its in areas like these where the offenders of binge drinking crime & domestic violence and even alcohol induced fatal traffic collisions are mainly white trash....

So when you break it down its not about what colour you are, its about how & where you live.....

Agreed.

In fact it's common sense. We are all human beings; the colour of our skin represents minor changes in dna regarding pigmentation but little more. Colour cannot be responsible for crime - it is illogical. What can be responsible is socio-economic conditions, with poverty being the most obvious. The other thing to remember is that cultures do not reflect simply the values they would like to reflect, but also reflect the issues and longstanding conditions to which they have been subjected, by various others such as environmental factors, and or other people with factors such as racism.

A good example of the latter can be seen by taking a longer look at NZ history. Maori cultural expressions, and especially language were banned in school and NZ culture, religion and language were enforced - and with violence (yes, in school even). A Maori child would be whipped at school for speaking maori, and whipped at home for speaking english. The end result of this is going to be a generation or more of people who have been subjected to conditions which stunted opportunity, and in particular, education. Flip forward a hundred years and you have an ethic group which are disproportionately wealthy and educated. This is not because of a genetic lack of intelligence, but social conditions. The corollation between poverty, lack of education and crime is obvious and well documented. This is why statistics reflect disproportionately higher crime all over, including alcohol fuelled domestic violence, in pacific island and Maori communities (like South Auckland).

In that respect, Samoan Muscle, I think Tom is right in saying that they are higher. But I don't think Tom is trying to say that these people are worse kinds of people. I also agree with Tom when he says that drinking and drink-driving are different issues, and that drinking is all good. Drinking is one of the longest standing social customs we have, and furthermore (as I've been researching recently including Alan Aragon's recent article about Alcohol at T-nation.com...) Drinking is actually really good for health in moderation. Red wine is one of the most effective tools to raise low "good" cholesterol - which those who supplement with Vitamin Test will likely suffer from.

However, is it not glaringly obvious that Tom is demonstrating EXACTLY the kind of problem excessive drinking causes by talking about getting wasted all night and then robbing a taxi driver who - note - Tom includes a racial description for! Oh I see tom, because he's afgani it's all good to rob him. WTF bro? Seriously.

agreed there massive (with whole post), robbing the "afgan" taxi driver is only going to further segregate the socio-economic factors that have differentiated culture to the point where we can claim one culture drinks more than another. Robbing him is only a step back, rob white people bro :doh:

[jerume]

Yeah it aint bout race or colour,nzl does have a problem,and i agree that changing laws or banning things aint gna change ne thing,its the people not the product,binge drinking is a major problem,isnt it 80% of violence or abuse is alcohol or drug related,nothing wrng wit having a few,its the getting drunk that is the problem

[rovr4on]

Yeah it aint bout race or colour,nzl does have a problem,and i agree that changing laws or banning things aint gna change ne thing,its the people not the product,binge drinking is a major problem,isnt it 80% of violence or abuse is alcohol or drug related,nothing wrng wit having a few,its the getting drunk that is the problem

Its not getting drunk that is the problem, when i get drunk i dont go around wasting the Mrs, its the person behind the booze that has the problem. its the people not the product as you said. Massive changes need to take place, and these will take decades to change something inherent in our culture as NZers.

[tomsammce]

Of course it's to do with race, ur just making excuses for these people by saying it's poverty not crime... It's fucking crime through and through... Poverty my arse. These sth Auckland fleas who breed faster than rats get more from the goverment than alot of hardworking people who are trying to get ahead in life. They bring this so called poverty onto them selves with their selfish and poor decision making skills. And in fact it's not even poverty more stupidity and expecting someone else to pick up the pieces.. Poverty is the slums in India etc not sth Auckland where a govt never leaves u short.

[rovr4on]

Of course it's to do with race, ur just making excuses for these people by saying it's poverty not crime... It's fucking crime through and through... Poverty my arse. These sth Auckland fleas who breed faster than rats get more from the goverment than alot of hardworking people who are trying to get ahead in life. They bring this so called poverty onto them selves with their selfish and poor decision making skills. And in fact it's not even poverty more stupidity and expecting someone else to pick up the pieces.. Poverty is the slums in India etc not sth Auckland where a govt never leaves u short.

Its because white people came over here and discriminated Maori and still do, therefore Maori are disadvantaged/segregated in society and begin to resent white folk and turn to crime etc. Its the fault of the Caucasians who created the environment of segregation that still breathes today, and not only in NZ but every other country Caucasians conquered. Imagine going from being in a tribe to having to adapt to living in a massive city under laws/traditions imposed from those who killed your people and prefer to hire their own people rather than the newly conquered locals, within 60 years. Caucasians went from tribes to these cities over a period of over 1000 thousand years..

[tomsammce]

More excuses... I don't buy into that shit. Anyways It's fair to say certain races aren't good at certain things Asians can't drive, the above can't drink and white men can't jump... Lol

peace.

[maassive]

i can jump, bitch.

yeah ok. not real high though.

[jimjim83]

Of course it's to do with race, ur just making excuses for these people by saying it's poverty not crime... It's fucking crime through and through... Poverty my arse. These sth Auckland fleas who breed faster than rats get more from the goverment than alot of hardworking people who are trying to get ahead in life. They bring this so called poverty onto them selves with their selfish and poor decision making skills. And in fact it's not even poverty more stupidity and expecting someone else to pick up the pieces.. Poverty is the slums in India etc not sth Auckland where a govt never leaves u short.

Its because white people came over here and discriminated Maori and still do, therefore Maori are disadvantaged/segregated in society and begin to resent white folk and turn to crime etc. Its the fault of the Caucasians who created the environment of segregation that still breathes today, and not only in NZ but every other country Caucasians conquered. Imagine going from being in a tribe to having to adapt to living in a massive city under laws/traditions imposed from those who killed your people and prefer to hire their own people rather than the newly conquered locals, within 60 years. Caucasians went from tribes to these cities over a period of over 1000 thousand years..

What a load of shit. The europeans didnt come to NZ and discriminate they came here and assimilated, reading some history would do you some good. If you want to see a culture that had it hard look at the Irish Abos, native americans etc. Maoris had it easy. Sure it may have been hard in the first few decades but in modern NZ this is not the case.

Maori have all kind of scholarships and hardouts avalible to them that caucasians dont. Imagine a nz white rugby team. A white affairs minister. In government agencys there are positions created for Maoris, women and Homosexuals but if your a straight white male you have to get by on your on merits.

As for the culture shock of the new big cities this take a generation to be assimilated not 150years. The chinese who came here in the gold rush had a harder time than the Maoris but they have got on with it without constant handouts.

As for a culture of segregation the only people who create this are the extremests like Hone Harawira. South Africa had a segregation between races, it doesnt exist in NZ. When was the last time you were told you couldnt eat somewhere due to your skin colour? Were you beaten for dating a white girl?

If you are so bitter about the White invaders hand over your computer, house, car, food, clothes, power, running water and reclaim your culture by living in the bush and living off the land. ther is nothing stopping you apart from the comfort of modern NZ.

Oh the invading european culture isnt so bad after all.

[samoan_muscle]

All interesting points...Massive your post makes alot of sense.

Its probably got more to do with the environment you've grown up in as opposed to cultural ethnicity.

What its seems like youre saying Tom is that because I'm an islander Im inclined to get violent after I drink. Just because I'm an islander.