TheHatDropper Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Has anyone tried both? If so, which one did you prefer and why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oros Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 considering M-1-T is banned, why would you bother, rather use a far more effective "super supplement", after all banned.... is banned.If you're that way inclined, and really feel the need to research the dark side try http://www.xtrememass.com or http://www.freakzonline.com.But, I see it as a catch-22 situation.....the people who generally use the banned substances, usually do so to try to achieve a competitive edge, but could end up being banned themselves from the very sport they enjoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growth Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Niether? lolIf you must choose between one or the other M1T would be the better product imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHatDropper Posted June 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Why, in your opinion, do you think M1T is the better product? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHatDropper Posted June 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Reason I asked is because I have just started on M1T. It was a tough decision between M1T and Methyl-D - so curious as to other's opinion os both products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c17 Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Personally I would have to say M1t, because I got better gains. Ive tried both several times using the same diet and exercise plan, like I wouldn't say there was a hell of a difference. Im not sure how toxic methyl d is compared to m1t. But I felt I had more lower back pains with m1t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 A friend had some blood markers done after using this stuff for a while...natural test production had ceased, cholesterol levels were extremely high, and there were a few others that had him worried. I wouldn't touch this stuff with a barge pole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deegee Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 A friend had some blood markers done after using this stuff for a while...natural test production had ceased, cholesterol levels were extremely high, and there were a few others that had him worried. I wouldn't touch this stuff with a barge pole.M1T is a harsh oral steroid alright, and will give you better results than the methyl d but you will feel worse for it most likely, and as posted those negative sides are nasty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHatDropper Posted June 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 So would you say Methyl-D is not as good, but less side effects? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHatDropper Posted June 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 There's heaps of info on this shit all over the net, but they all promote it, which is why I wanted to asked from people who have actually used it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wynton Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 Well they are both methylated so therefore will both be harsh on your liver. Methyl D is Methyl-Dien which is the chemically structured little cousin of Methyltrienolone one of the most potent steroids ever made. If you have Methyl-Dien then it will give you good gains. So would you say Methyl-D is not as good, but less side effects? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CutTaBits Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 Are you using 4AD with the M1T. I have used it with and with out, the difference is night and day. Without you just feel shattered all day, the lethargy i got was horrible.I made some good gains but in all honisty i wish i had of not waisted my time and gone to injectables sooner.What are ya using for PCT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHatDropper Posted June 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 No, not using 4ad - and yes, I do feel pretty tired. But a lot stronger when doing exercise. What do you suggest for PCT? Haven't made my mind up yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHatDropper Posted June 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 Saying that, I also have a bit of a cold at the moment, so not sure if it's the M1T or the cold! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CutTaBits Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Yer man M1T is good at increasing aggression and strength.For PCT I recomend 20mg Nolvadex Per day 3 weeksAnd really 500iu/day of HCG for 3 weeksBut could get away with clomid 50-100mg per day 3 weeks.I have done Nolvadex only at 40mg 4 weeks. But I don't think I recovered as well as I could of if I included a SERM (Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator) like clomid.You should always have your PCT sorted before starting a cycle! If you do not do proper PCT you will loose all gains and it would take months to get your hormone levels stable again.Also M1T is17-alpha-methyl altered so that the hormone can survive its first pass through the liver, and be effective as an oral agent, rather than just being destroyed by the liver. Unfortunately, this alteration also puts stress on the liver and contributes to the hepatoxicity (liver toxicity) of this compound. So you should avoid Alcohol during cycle and PCT. A lot of people use Milk thistle to look after the liver.Also use a max of 50mg a day for a max of 6 weeks.Hope this helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHatDropper Posted June 15, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Brilliant. Thanks for the help. Does it help using something like Milk Thisle during a cycle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CutTaBits Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 I recomend you do, as better safe than sorry. You only have 1 liver ay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHatDropper Posted June 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Thought I would report my results so far - I have seen an increase in mass (don't think it's much water retention) and strength has increased. No noticeable increase in aggresion, but BIG increase in lathargy!!! Two weeks into it now. 15mg a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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