Why I juice - Non competitive AAS

[tomsammce]

So when it comes to the supply of "Good Quality" gear, it has nothing to do with making a sale or making a dollar and has everything to do with protecting the source of quality AAS from ignorant muppets that can wreck it for everyone!!!

So yes, qualification is an important part of the gear culture in NZ.

Your not serious are you? lol wat a joke

of course its about making a dollar... maybe you can bullshit some people with that sales pitch, alot of money, effort and risk goes into importing oil or powder and then cooking it... put simply u front your cash take a risk and if it goes your way you make money off it... its really no different to importing any other kind of illegal substance in that aspect. its a bussiness, everyones got bills to pay and people dont just do shit for nothing these days...

in saying that ther is nothig wrong with a mark up at all, we all know whats involved in operations such as these, and yes there is alot to loose but theres also alot to gain.. these people importing/manufacturing these kinds of things are motivated to keep doing so by the money they are making not because they love seeing you gain muscle or hearing about how high a substance got you.. and that goes for all hands its going through to get to the user.

quit bullshittin...

[maassive]

So when it comes to the supply of "Good Quality" gear, it has nothing to do with making a sale or making a dollar and has everything to do with protecting the source of quality AAS from ignorant muppets that can wreck it for everyone!!!

So yes, qualification is an important part of the gear culture in NZ.

Your not serious are you? lol wat a joke

of course its about making a dollar... maybe you can bullshit some people with that sales pitch, alot of money, effort and risk goes into importing oil or powder and then cooking it... put simply u front your cash take a risk and if it goes your way you make money off it... its really no different to importing any other kind of illegal substance in that aspect. its a bussiness, everyones got bills to pay and people dont just do shit for nothing these days...

in saying that ther is nothig wrong with a mark up at all, we all know whats involved in operations such as these, and yes there is alot to loose but theres also alot to gain.. these people importing/manufacturing these kinds of things are motivated to keep doing so by the money they are making not because they love seeing you gain muscle or hearing about how high a substance got you.. and that goes for all hands its going through to get to the user.

quit bullshittin...

LOLOLOL> "oh tom, I love how big your arms are getting. This is why I've wanted to be a dealer ever since I was a child" lol

[Specter]

I wonder how many muppets out there get massive pumps from injecting olive oil???? :pfft:

[maassive]

or second hand fish and chip oil

[tomsammce]

I wonder how many muppets out there get massive pumps from injecting olive oil???? :pfft:

well smartarse im sure they do seeing as alot of people use it as their base for brewing. i prefer grapseed oil tho smooth flowing, not very thick... good benefits for the body too so im told :grin:

[Lurker]

something must be said for the type of car you whack the turbo into.

This is true, especially for those of us in convertibles with receeding tops.

[maassive]

something must be said for the type of car you whack the turbo into.

This is true, especially for those of us in convertibles with receeding tops.

LOL keep holding out for vintage status

[train hard]

if you feel that AAS is improving the quality off your life and you are Happy Massive then who cares do your thing im sure you know the possible risks and weighed them up like we all have. If your happy with the gains you are making then allgood and hey if you wana improve the gains you are making keep educating yourself on nutrition training and gear. and don,t no one reply back saying you should allready know we are always learning new things no matter how much you think you know you can always learn new and better ways to how your body responds people who think they no it all are just ignorant

like your qustion about nutrition all the fuken anti steroid nattys jump up on here thinking you shouldn't have to ask these questions because you should no it all before taking gear maybe you do have a basic understanding off nutrition and where just looking for that little extra advice or opinion thats what i took from your question anyway this sort off moral shit allways comes up and im not going to post about these sort off things anymore same shit over and over again

[PeterDolan]

I think that a grasp on "basic" nutrion and training isn't as important as knowing what your body reacts to. Sure knowing about nutrition is good but not knowing the difference between clean food and bad food wont stop you from growing on a cycle. In saying that, I dunna why you would want to go on a cycle if what you've previously been doing hasn't gernered decent results. Why spend the money on something that isn't gonna do what you expect it to because you don't know how to maximise the effectiveness of it? (this statement isn't about you maasive)

[Chemo]

if you feel that AAS is improving the quality off your life and you are Happy Massive then who cares do your thing im sure you know the possible risks and weighed them up like we all have. If your happy with the gains you are making then allgood and hey if you wana improve the gains you are making keep educating yourself on nutrition training and gear. and don,t no one reply back saying you should allready know we are always learning new things no matter how much you think you know you can always learn new and better ways to how your body responds people who think they no it all are just ignorant

Again....Word

Be prepared to learn heaps about yourself in response to diet and training when "on"

If your not achieving or theres something not going to plan even on steroids, then you got much to learn. I came out with a full list of things to address after my 1st time

[Lurker]

fuken anti steroid nattys jump

Strong lack of comprehension and a bit ironic given that the entire discussion has been about how to maximise gains on a cycle as opposed to Maasives current situation where he's done a dreamer bulk and has to cut mid cycle.

[train hard]

fuken anti steroid nattys jump

Strong lack of comprehension and a bit ironic given that the entire discussion has been about how to maximise gains on a cycle as opposed to Maasives current situation where he's done a dreamer bulk and has to cut mid cycle.

his question was that he was gaining muscle and fat on his bulk and he wanted to keep gaining muscle while minimising the fat gain he was having or wheather he should do a cut why is that such a bad question? most off the other guys understood that and answered with good posts does not mean that he is failing in his cycle just trying to improve it why is that so difficult for you .

[Sifo-Dyas]

So when it comes to the supply of "Good Quality" gear, it has nothing to do with making a sale or making a dollar and has everything to do with protecting the source of quality AAS from ignorant muppets that can wreck it for everyone!!!

So yes, qualification is an important part of the gear culture in NZ.

Your not serious are you? lol wat a joke

of course its about making a dollar... maybe you can bullshit some people with that sales pitch, alot of money, effort and risk goes into importing oil or powder and then cooking it... put simply u front your cash take a risk and if it goes your way you make money off it... its really no different to importing any other kind of illegal substance in that aspect. its a bussiness, everyones got bills to pay and people dont just do shit for nothing these days...

in saying that ther is nothig wrong with a mark up at all, we all know whats involved in operations such as these, and yes there is alot to loose but theres also alot to gain.. these people importing/manufacturing these kinds of things are motivated to keep doing so by the money they are making not because they love seeing you gain muscle or hearing about how high a substance got you.. and that goes for all hands its going through to get to the user.

quit bullshittin...

Sorry bro no bullshiit. Its just a different world where guys will get cutt off completely for trying to make big bucks off worthy comrades. That dog eat dog territorial crap doesn't fit with the top athletes in our circles :wink:

You will always get the fly by night gear suppliers that are clever with a computer and can find some hungry supplier in china, chances are that they don't even train! let alone compete. They just want your money. There is no quality, loyalty or experience there. But in the real world the code is to protect the source at all costs and has been for almost 20 years now!!!

That is the main difference. If your source is a top athlete and has been supplying top quality AAS to top athletes for many many years...Protect your source. The difference in gear quality is pretty easy to see in the physiques of the larger monsters using it. And they wont tell you what gear they are on

[Optimass]

Not sure if Im on the same page Massive, but reading through the reponses there seems to be some direction towards the old "wait till your natural gains are exhausted" or "get more experience in nutrition and training", which you say is irrelavant if your goal is not to compete in strength and/or physique sports ....

9 out of 10 guys I meet that are at the point of desciding to do a cycle have not trained as hard, eaten as much and refined their routines as much as me. And I'm pretty average IMO. This is why I almost always recommend holding off. Every now and then you meet someone with freak genetics that has already a good level of maturity both physical and emotional that would have no problem.

IMHO You will never ever reach 100% of your genetic threshold - this is because your body will continually develop and adapt. The older you get things will slow down but you will still evolve. I know a very well built 78 year old that would give some 20-30 year old guys a run for their money on stage if he put his mind to it. (And he has been Natural his whole life :nod: ... pic below of my good friend Venu)

There are no guide books that tell you how much, often, when, what, how ... your body will perfrom on the gear - but based on nearly 16+ years experience in the industry I can tell you - the longer you wait the - better the result. I am conditioned to believe this based on my experience - my opinion I share for free Not everyones going to buy into it which is their choice. (Sometimes this is because they started to soon and aretoo proud to admit that if they had waited - their cycles would have been better through improved knowledge and muscle maturity).

If I could do it all over from the start again, it would happen the same way.

When I first started training my goals were strength and body weight based but AAS never even crossed my mind. I was getting good gains in both naturally, so never needed the extra help. I don't tink my genetics are special at all, so I believe most people can achieve the same results - if not better than what I did, in those first few years.

Part of the reason I gave up competing was because I didn't want to be the guy with the trophy trying to convince everyone I was natural > so I stopped focusing on it as soon as I started my first cycle.

May be I'm not the best person to comment as I came to the notion of not wanting to compete but still wanting to test my self through using gear for personal reasons after 5 years of solid traing, 3 years of study and a few "dusty" plastic trophies

[tomsammce]

Sifo, We obviously have observed different things. All good bro.

[maassive]

I think that a grasp on "basic" nutrion and training isn't as important as knowing what your body reacts to. Sure knowing about nutrition is good but not knowing the difference between clean food and bad food wont stop you from growing on a cycle. In saying that, I dunna why you would want to go on a cycle if what you've previously been doing hasn't gernered decent results. Why spend the money on something that isn't gonna do what you expect it to because you don't know how to maximise the effectiveness of it? (this statement isn't about you maasive)

Dude WTF.. have you actually read anything I've said? 10kg in 3 months before cycling... I went on gear BECAUSE i'm getting good gains.

[maassive]

Since so many fuckers are telling me my cycle is an 'abortion' and a total waste of time, I am going to post my diet up today so you fellas can tell me how to improve it.

However, I think train hard has understood the situation exactly, in that I was asking whether or not I should keep bulking or do a mid cycle cut and got seriously flamed for this. I still don't think it's that dumb of a question, and I'm happy to ask the odd stupid question from time to time because there is always something to learn.

[PeterDolan]

I think that a grasp on "basic" nutrion and training isn't as important as knowing what your body reacts to. Sure knowing about nutrition is good but not knowing the difference between clean food and bad food wont stop you from growing on a cycle. In saying that, I dunna why you would want to go on a cycle if what you've previously been doing hasn't gernered decent results. Why spend the money on something that isn't gonna do what you expect it to because you don't know how to maximise the effectiveness of it? (this statement isn't about you maasive)

Dude WTF.. have you actually read anything I've said? 10kg in 3 months before cycling... I went on gear BECAUSE i'm getting good gains.

Yes I did, did you read what I said in the brackets at the end?

[samoan_muscle]

I think that a grasp on "basic" nutrion and training isn't as important as knowing what your body reacts to. Sure knowing about nutrition is good but not knowing the difference between clean food and bad food wont stop you from growing on a cycle. In saying that, I dunna why you would want to go on a cycle if what you've previously been doing hasn't gernered decent results. Why spend the money on something that isn't gonna do what you expect it to because you don't know how to maximise the effectiveness of it? (this statement isn't about you maasive)

Dude WTF.. have you actually read anything I've said? 10kg in 3 months before cycling... I went on gear BECAUSE i'm getting good gains.

Yes I did, did you read what I said in the brackets at the end?

LOL!

[maassive]

I think that a grasp on "basic" nutrion and training isn't as important as knowing what your body reacts to. Sure knowing about nutrition is good but not knowing the difference between clean food and bad food wont stop you from growing on a cycle. In saying that, I dunna why you would want to go on a cycle if what you've previously been doing hasn't gernered decent results. Why spend the money on something that isn't gonna do what you expect it to because you don't know how to maximise the effectiveness of it? (this statement isn't about you maasive)

Dude WTF.. have you actually read anything I've said? 10kg in 3 months before cycling... I went on gear BECAUSE i'm getting good gains.

Yes I did, did you read what I said in the brackets at the end?

HAHHA. f*ck :oops: note to self, read til end...

[maassive]

Nutrition log here: http://www.nzbodybuilding.co.nz/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=11951

I welcome your comments, and in particular, LURKER can explain how to save my baby from this abortion.

[Daz69]

Hey Fella.........

I've been reading this, found it very informative....

Not quite relevant to your post, but a great basic intro to what you are doing...

http://www.afboard.com/forum/showthread ... BIE-THREAD

[Deano]

Say goodbye to your balls bro. Say hello to little furry chewbaca's, lil jingle bells...ping pong smuggler

*Sorry

[nosher]

I agree with u 100 per cent.I have been bodybuilding/training for around 20 yrs on and off in the uk before emigrating to N.Z 5 years ago.i never took part in any contests or posed in a pair of trunks but took gear for the best part of 15 yrs (moderate doses)Had around 6 training partners in that time and 2 of them won several comps over there.I trained hard and did eat a healthy diet.

[severe]

Didn't David Haselhoff get busted years ago, during the filming of Bay Watch, with gear?

He must have had a shit nutritional plan too. Skinniest prick on gear ever in the history of pinning. Damn, I was bigger as a skinny 14 year old.

But, if the gear isn't working for you, you only have to look at the training, the food, the sleep, or the KFC deep fried oil you pinning.

Man, I love teh recovery. I never realised how sweet that feeling is, not to feel sore teh next day. Even after a couple of years, I never get sick of waking up like a 21yr old.

I am legend. loving it.

ftw mofos