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Just wanting a little advice. I'm freaking out about gyno cause, lets face it, no guy wants tits. So just wondering, at what point do you recommend taking SERM or AI to combat symptoms ie the second your nips feel a little tender/puffy/itchy or wait for a lump so you don't waste your time?

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when ur nipple gets itchy and/or puffy it may be wise to look at using an antiestrogen such as nolvadex or letrozole depending what compounds you are using. mine puff up and get itchy during cycle but then this subsides when i come off or lower my dose, waiting till you feel small lumps underneath the nipple can be abit risky as sometimes they wont go away. everyones different though meaning in some people itchy puffy nipples are no big deal where the same thing on another person can escalate into solid lumps pretty quickly if nothing is done.

hope ur hucken happy with that mate lol

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when ur nipple gets itchy and/or puffy it may be wise to look at using an antiestrogen such as nolvadex or letrozole depending what compounds you are using. mine puff up and get itchy during cycle but then this subsides when i come off or lower my dose, waiting till you feel small lumps underneath the nipple can be abit risky as sometimes they wont go away. everyones different though meaning in some people itchy puffy nipples are no big deal where the same thing on another person can escalate into solid lumps pretty quickly if nothing is done.

hope ur hucken happy with that mate lol

Thanks Tom. That was Hucking perfect

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Try 0.5mg of Arimidex every third day - it works great for me & I take test. all year around :)

really? for hrt correct? a dose like .25mg eod would probably be too much for me on cycle. we all vary i guess.

personally i like to use aromasin during cycle as it works fast, has no rebound and it also has the ability to reduce shbg(free up more testosterone).

i personally recommend 12.5mg in frequency dependent on your sensitivity. if you are very sensitive you could run 12.5mg-25mg eod or even ed. if your not so sensitive it would be best to stick to a dose of 12.5mg eod or e3d.

if you introduce different anabolics with greater binding affinity for the AR, such as 19nors, the 5aR(reductase)enzyme will compete against the aromatase enzyme for the testosterone. if you find your usual sensitivity has been reduced, this is why. its very crucial that you go by how you feel and not by what you read.

you dont want to crush your estrogen as it will turn your tool into a limp noodle, make you moody, make your hair fall out, affect your immune system/gh secretion and performance in the gym. these are all very common, noticeable sides that appear within a short period of time having your estrogen severely reduced.

as far as gyno goes, you need to use letro for 3-4 weeks at 2.5mg ED. i dont bother tapering up as time is of the essence. i taper down coming off though i dont see the need to, you can simply just run aromasin post letro course.

sorry if this was alot to digest, good luck.

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really? for hrt correct? a dose like .25mg eod would probably be too much for me on cycle. we all vary i guess.

personally i like to use aromasin during cycle as it works fast, has no rebound and it also has the ability to reduce shbg(free up more testosterone).

i personally recommend 12.5mg in frequency dependent on your sensitivity. if you are very sensitive you could run 12.5mg-25mg eod or even ed. if your not so sensitive it would be best to stick to a dose of 12.5mg eod or e3d.

if you introduce different anabolics with greater binding affinity for the AR, such as 19nors, the 5aR(reductase)enzyme will compete against the aromatase enzyme for the testosterone. if you find your usual sensitivity has been reduced, this is why. its very crucial that you go by how you feel and not by what you read.

you dont want to crush your estrogen as it will turn your tool into a limp noodle, make you moody, make your hair fall out, affect your immune system/gh secretion and performance in the gym. these are all very common, noticeable sides that appear within a short period of time having your estrogen severely reduced.

as far as gyno goes, you need to use letro for 3-4 weeks at 2.5mg ED. i dont bother tapering up as time is of the essence. i taper down coming off though i dont see the need to, you can simply just run aromasin post letro course.

sorry if this was alot to digest, good luck.

What is your personal recomendation based on ....????

Is it from your already revealed, failed personal experiences..? :?

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Just wanting a little advice. I'm freaking out about gyno cause, lets face it, no guy wants tits. So just wondering, at what point do you recommend taking SERM or AI to combat symptoms ie the second your nips feel a little tender/puffy/itchy or wait for a lump so you don't waste your time?

Much of the decission making on anti E's is based on your cycle & then your symptoms. If you cannot find enough information on what to do on this site or other international sites you can PM me with your details & I will give an opinion on what your options are.

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Just wanting a little advice. I'm freaking out about gyno cause, lets face it, no guy wants tits. So just wondering, at what point do you recommend taking SERM or AI to combat symptoms ie the second your nips feel a little tender/puffy/itchy or wait for a lump so you don't waste your time?

Much of the decission making on anti E's is based on your cycle & then your symptoms. If you cannot find enough information on what to do on this site or other international sites you can PM me with your details & I will give an opinion on what your options are.

hey rod, if you were to develop gyno during cycle, would you, or should i say, is it better to run letro during your pct rather than treating it straight away and interupting your cycle?

i personally treated mine straight away and it took about 1.5-2 weeks to start seeing relief, however, it took 3 weeks to get a desirable result. i felt i really should have ran it for a complete 4 weeks.

what are your thoughts on this?

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really? for hrt correct? a dose like .25mg eod would probably be too much for me on cycle. we all vary i guess.

personally i like to use aromasin during cycle as it works fast, has no rebound and it also has the ability to reduce shbg(free up more testosterone).

i personally recommend 12.5mg in frequency dependent on your sensitivity. if you are very sensitive you could run 12.5mg-25mg eod or even ed. if your not so sensitive it would be best to stick to a dose of 12.5mg eod or e3d.

if you introduce different anabolics with greater binding affinity for the AR, such as 19nors, the 5aR(reductase)enzyme will compete against the aromatase enzyme for the testosterone. if you find your usual sensitivity has been reduced, this is why. its very crucial that you go by how you feel and not by what you read.

you dont want to crush your estrogen as it will turn your tool into a limp noodle, make you moody, make your hair fall out, affect your immune system/gh secretion and performance in the gym. these are all very common, noticeable sides that appear within a short period of time having your estrogen severely reduced.

as far as gyno goes, you need to use letro for 3-4 weeks at 2.5mg ED. i dont bother tapering up as time is of the essence. i taper down coming off though i dont see the need to, you can simply just run aromasin post letro course.

sorry if this was alot to digest, good luck.

What is your personal recomendation based on ....????

Is it from your already revealed, failed personal experiences..? :?

bro - lets just not go there again. he gave his opinion and we all know what his cycles were like so lets just leave it at that.

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On this topic I do actually have a question I've been debating asking but think I will.

I'm one of the many (see thread I linked to when I last commented on Gyno for numbers) who developed mild pubestent gyno. As in, I never fucked around with HRT but grew puffy nips and a very small amount of breast fat when I was about 14.

I'm just starting a cycle now (my first real one) and as my nips are always puffy when I'm hot I don't really know what to look out for. They're not sore or itchy, and not getting any larger. Do you think I should be taking a small adex dosage just because I already have some symptoms?

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On this topic I do actually have a question I've been debating asking but think I will.

I'm one of the many (see thread I linked to when I last commented on Gyno for numbers) who developed mild pubestent gyno. As in, I never fucked around with HRT but grew puffy nips and a very small amount of breast fat when I was about 14.

I'm just starting a cycle now (my first real one) and as my nips are always puffy when I'm hot I don't really know what to look out for. They're not sore or itchy, and not getting any larger. Do you think I should be taking a small adex dosage just because I already have some symptoms?

what do you mean when you are hot? do you mean at home chillin? if so, then yes, they will be more relaxed and puffy. after a workout you may notice they are smaller and harder. while your on cycle you will always have estrogen present and unless you crush it or have a high tolerance for estrogen you will never walk around with cool nipples. is this what your asking about?

water retention is one of the first signs of estrogen elevation; by the time you have itchy or sore nipples the estrogen is already acting on the breast tissue. personally i just go by itch and it has always worked well for me. even by that discretion, i often feel like im bringing it too low too, too soon; i dont think youd want to act on it quicker than this, unless you use a miniscule dose.

p.s what does the success of a cycle have to do with giving advice on gyno/estrogen sensitivity?

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Thanks wannabe.

It's not so much about the success of your cycles, but more how you phrase things, e.g

personally i just go by itch and it has always worked well.

By putting it this way, you sound like you are an experienced bodybuilder with many cycles under your belt and a decade of training. This is how you regularly come across when giving your opinion. In reality, you say you've done four cycles when you want to impress people, and two cycles when you're trying to justify how small you are - yet neither of these is enough to write like you know everything about cycles.

I'm not trying to start shit with you - quite frankly i'm over that. So this is just to let you know what we mean when we question the comments you make when you try and sound like a pro.

moving on... thanks for your opinion. I think i'll take some adex EOD just to be on the safe side.

Sorry if saying while i'm hot confused some people. What I mean, and those of us who have puffy nips will well know this, is that my nips are always quite puffy unless my body is cold, and then they go normal. That's what I meant. The question really was should I take adex before symptoms, or wait for itching.

I do have a question around water retention. You say that holding water is a sign of higher estrogen levels? Can you source this idea? Can anyone else comment? I thought water retention was just a side from gear...

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