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rovr4on Senior member

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Hey guys,

I have recently been encouraged by my mate who has a 45ml vial of dbol to go halves in a 4 week cycle.

Stats: 5'09-10

weight 82kgs

BF% 11-13

Currently bulking

From what I know general dosage is 20-50mg per day. Ideally I'm wanting to start as low as possible, such as 15mg per day and see how that goes. Will this low dose have an effect?

also because of such a low dose, do I still need to take anti estrogen during and PCT after cycle?

Any advice from anyone who has just taken dbol would be much appreciated.

Thanks

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yes I have read from many on forums that without an injectable its a waste of time etc etc, but also seen people making post saying they gained good size over 5 weeks and managed to keep a majority of it, so just gunna give it a go, and see what happens. Would you recommend PCT and anti while taking 15mgs per day?

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yes I have read from many on forums that without an injectable its a waste of time etc etc, but also seen people making post saying they gained good size over 5 weeks and managed to keep a majority of it, so just gunna give it a go, and see what happens. Would you recommend PCT and anti while taking 15mgs per day?

Think this has been covered in many posts mate......

Without a base of Test, your sort of missing the point......

Any course starts with Test, of which you can add other things like Deca, Tren, Equi' & maybe an oral like Dbol, or Oxys...

Have a read.................http://www.steroid.com/steroid_profiles.php

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Think of it like fish and chips, its great to have tomato sauce but with out the fish and chips....well your just eating sauce. Do you sometimes go to the f&c shop and murder a few rip top watties and expect to get full?

Hahaha that analogy is Gold bro!!!

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I've been in this space bro. Don't expect serious gain from it.

And expect everyone to tell you to fk off and come back once youve done your research. On paper dbol might sound good but on nzbb and international boards, all will say that its s waste of time and effort.

You could run dbol, while your on it will be great! (not for you liver though) As soon as you come off the gains will be minimal and you would've wasted that money. If your gonna go gear go test. You can ingest test enth, with up to a 70 percent absorption rate, but that means you get 30 percent or more less than what you paid for, and more stress on ya liver. Thats a best case scenario too, you could get 50 percent absorption or less.

(Look up superhuman radio pro-hormone absorption, good listen about ingestible AAS orals. In short drink or eat grapefruit juice, have fats with the orals)

Where as once you are familiar and comfortable with pinning, you get 100% of the AAS into your system and no strain on your organs! The full effect of the AAS and the absolute best results.

My advice for a first time pinning, is look up how to pin safely, know it well.

Save the dbol until you get a cycle of test.

Pinning is painless bro

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Thanks chemo, unfortunately this the only one I have Access to is dbol. Other wise test enth does seem to be much better. Anyhow in terms of this cycle im going to take it light 10mg day. Do I still need anti estro and OCR with such light dose. Thanks for comments guys

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I can't say as I havent used yet, its on the wishlist though.

I got a WANABE' answer to that one though, straight from steroid.com

http://www.steroid.com/Dianabol.php for the full thing including pct ideas.

In this study, done in the early 80s, a very high dose of Dianabol (100mgs/day for 6 weeks) decreased plasma testosterone to about 40% of its normal value, plasma GH went up about a third, LH dropped to about 80% of its original value, and FSH went down about a third also (these are all approximate numbers, for the sake of brevity, but you get the idea). Body fat did not go up significantly and Fat Free Mass went up anywhere between 2-7kgs (3.3kgs average gain). The researchers concluded that Dbol increases Fat Free Mass as well as increasing strength and performance. I can only agree, having found this to be the case for me when I did my first cycle (which was 6 weeks of dbol alone at 25mgs/day), I gained roughly 25lbs and kept nearly of it. Since then, Dianabol has always had a special place in my heart.

6 weeks at 100mgs a day = 2-7kgs from the study

6 weeks at 25mgs a day = 10+kgs for this guy, who obviously trains like a bodybuilder.

Sounds good eh? I have yet to find someone who has seen gains like this, or gains that lasted due to shutdown and coming back of that.

Sounds pretty harmless at the dose you wanna try, so theres no harm doing it. (Still get some milk thistle if ya can). Yet...most people havent really seen a lot of permanent change in doing it alone.

Your call bro, good luck. Tell me what its like!

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Yeah, just don't wanna get no gyno or anything taking it without anti estro. Maybe I should take Half the recommended armidex dose while I take it. I had read taking milk thistle decreases the effect so app should leave it till after cycle. Or could take 2x5ml doses during day and thistle at night after half life of dbol...

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Yeah, just don't wanna get no gyno or anything taking it without anti estro. Maybe I should take Half the recommended armidex dose while I take it. I had read taking milk thistle decreases the effect so app should leave it till after cycle. Or could take 2x5ml doses during day and thistle at night after half life of dbol...

So you can get arimidex but you cant get test?

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Thanks chemo, unfortunately this the only one I have Access to is dbol. Other wise test enth does seem to be much better. Anyhow in terms of this cycle im going to take it light 10mg day. Do I still need anti estro and OCR with such light dose. Thanks for comments guys

Sounds like you're not going to take any advice we try & give you.....

The average male only produces about 70mg/week if he is lucky...

The average starter course of Test is about 500mg/week......

The last stack I did back in the UK was:

Test 750mg/week

Boldernone 400mg/week

Dbol 50mg/day

Oxymetholone 100mg/day

If my maths are correct thats about 2200mg/week..........

You are asking advice about taking 10mg/day..... Really...?????? :oops:

PCT....??? What for.....????

The only oral I might contemplate taking on its own would be Anavar (oxandolone)..... maybe 60-100mg/day.............

If you insist on taking the Dbol make it 50mg/day & take 25mg am, then 25mg about an hour before training with grapefruit juice......

Take a couple milk thistle if you want......

Give it 6 weeks & see how you go......................

Eat well, train hard, & goodluck....... :grin:

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Yeah, just don't wanna get no gyno or anything taking it without anti estro. Maybe I should take Half the recommended armidex dose while I take it. I had read taking milk thistle decreases the effect so app should leave it till after cycle. Or could take 2x5ml doses during day and thistle at night after half life of dbol...

So you can get arimidex but you cant get test?

I THINK SOMEONES SCARED OF NEEDLES................. :pfft: :pfft: :pfft:

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thanks daz, i have no problems with needles and have taken your advice on board, i wasn't ignoring everything you say at all, just that I only have dbol, and don't have access to any other roid to go with it, as my mate just just me half of the 45ml vial and he doesnt have access to other roids also. So i have the option to throw it away, or use it..so i figure i might as well use it, and because it is known to give good gains short term then once you stop they go. I might aswell do a small dose for a long period of time so i can take advantage of the small gains and are less likely to disappear. Was just concerned about PCT and anti estro, but if you guys dont think I need it then i'll take 10ml a day and see how it goes...but thanks again for the advice... :P

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Daz, if he was to just use dbol, wouldn't he be better off with 5x10mg doses due to it's half life of 3-5 hours or 3x10mg with a 20mg dose before workout?

Hi Pete............

I understand your reasoning, but its been covered in an earlier post & I'm just going with what others more versed advised at the time.......

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Daz, if he was to just use dbol, wouldn't he be better off with 5x10mg doses due to it's half life of 3-5 hours or 3x10mg with a 20mg dose before workout?

Hi Pete............

I understand your reasoning, but its been covered in an earlier post & I'm just going with what others more versed advised at the time.......

Fair enough, I guess it comes from the different schools of thought

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I don't normally post in here as my knowledge is limited on the subject but has everybody missed this:

"Stats: 5'09-10

weight 82kgs

BF% 11-13

Currently bulking"

The guy doesn't need to be jumping into any of this. He needs to get a good nutrition program and train his ass off. Doesn't matter how much/what you take if your nutrition is crap and you don't have the wright training it ain't going to help.

Not taking a dig at you either fella, just something to think about.

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... doing a less than adequate cycle just because its there just doesn't add up? :-s .... Just seems a bit odd - 10mg x 3 per day will give you water weight, quicker recovery and some good pumps. But muscle isn't built by pumps alone - WL is right if you havent got everything else in balance your result will only be further erroded. 2-3 weeks after your cycle you'll be back to where you started.

If you are just wanting to break the ice then i suppose you are doing the right thing - but don't be mislead into thinking your going to come out with anyting to show for it long term.

Not having a dig mate - Daz and the other fellas have already answered you as well as anyone can. If your not going to get any real benefit then why bother at all - focus on streamlining your current training and focus on getting the most out of yourself naturally until you're in a position to have a more serious look at this type of thing. There is plenty of time in life ... :) (It's only short if you make it :wink: )

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