First decent mass stack with HGH

[Sifo-Dyas]

WANABJAKD you just qualified my statement not disproved it with your theory from events that took place in a time beyond your comprehension :roll:

Yes look at Arnie and you have the supreme being as far as chemically enhanced genetics go.

Now look at the level of the competitors in the Olympia now days and they are in a complete different league and level to the physiques like Arnies and the crew back then.

Sooo...HGH is the key to leveling the playing field as far as genetic restrictions are concerned.

Thanks for agreeing with me there in your own special way WANABJAKD lol

[HarryB]

incorrect, was recombinant HGH available in the 60's? look at arnold, he was a prime example of what happens when steroids meet great genetics. GH is just another tool, like many. there is nothing superior than testosterone for building muscle.

Not worked for you mate....... :pfft: :pfft: :pfft:

That's because he was underdosing, now that he knows everything LOOK OUT!!! Ha ha ha

[WANABJAKD]

WANABJAKD you just qualified my statement not disproved it with your theory from events that took place in a time beyond your comprehension :roll:

Yes look at Arnie and you have the supreme being as far as chemically enhanced genetics go.

Now look at the level of the competitors in the Olympia now days and they are in a complete different league and level to the physiques like Arnies and the crew back then.

Sooo...HGH is the key to leveling the playing field as far as genetic restrictions are concerned.

Thanks for agreeing with me there in your own special way WANABJAKD lol

boy you just dug yourself a big hole sifo. so how much more gear are they using these days aswell? HMMM :think:

IGF serves a number of functions relating to muscular development.

1) keeping the muscles full

2) enhancing recovery

3) nitrogen retention

4) cell proliferation

5) fat loss

testosterone does all of the above(with a varied efficacy) and more. obviously each tool serves a different function. IGF is far superior for cell proliferation and insulin is far superior for nutrient shuttling.

incorrect, was recombinant HGH available in the 60's? look at arnold, he was a prime example of what happens when steroids meet great genetics. GH is just another tool, like many. there is nothing superior than testosterone for building muscle.

Not worked for you mate....... :pfft: :pfft: :pfft:

That's because he was underdosing, now that he knows everything LOOK OUT!!! Ha ha ha

exactly.

[Daz69]

WANABJAKD you just qualified my statement not disproved it with your theory from events that took place in a time beyond your comprehension :roll:

Yes look at Arnie and you have the supreme being as far as chemically enhanced genetics go.

Now look at the level of the competitors in the Olympia now days and they are in a complete different league and level to the physiques like Arnies and the crew back then.

Sooo...HGH is the key to leveling the playing field as far as genetic restrictions are concerned.

Thanks for agreeing with me there in your own special way WANABJAKD lol

boy you just dug yourself a big hole sifo. so how much more gear are they using these days aswell? HMMM :think:

IGF serves a number of functions relating to muscular development.

1) keeping the muscles full

2) enhancing recovery

3) nitrogen retention

4) cell proliferation

5) fat loss

none of these characteristics build muscle do they? testosterone does all of the above(with a varied efficacy) and more. obviously each tool serves a different function. IGF is far superior for cell proliferation and insulin is far superior for nutrient shuttling.

Not worked for you mate....... :pfft: :pfft: :pfft:

That's because he was underdosing, now that he knows everything LOOK OUT!!! Ha ha ha

exactly.

I'll make sure I keep my door locked from now on......... :shock: :shock:

[HarryB]

2 or 3 more cycles and he'll be up to 85 and deadlifting 220!! MEAN!! Never mind that most of the natural guys on the forum and a good portion of them just out of their teens can already do that. Yep high dose testosterone is definitely the go!!

Mind you I wouldn't do Sifo Dyas cycle either. BUT he's actually doing it not just spouting something he's read. And I'm very interested in how it pans out cos there may be things I can apply to my own cycles.

[WANABJAKD]

2 or 3 more cycles and he'll be up to 85 and deadlifting 220!! MEAN!! Never mind that most of the natural guys on the forum and a good portion of them just out of their teens can already do that. Yep high dose testosterone is definitely the go!!

Mind you I wouldn't do Sifo Dyas cycle either. BUT he's actually doing it not just spouting something he's read. And I'm very interested in how it pans out cos there may be things I can apply to my own cycles.

im planning to get much heavier than that in my next cycle :wink:

[Sifo-Dyas]

WANABJAKD your recent posts are interesting but they offer no substance. Its just like adverts between the real show at the moment. Love the advice even from you and I will use what ever worthy advice you have to offer.

I was asked a serious question from an advanced trainer and I gave him my serious answer. It was not my opinion, it was a fact from years of experience and your interpretation just for the sake of posting an opinion void of experience does not serve anyone in this case.

[WANABJAKD]

WANABJAKD your recent posts are interesting but they offer no substance. Its just like adverts between the real show at the moment. Love the advice even from you and I will use what ever worthy advice you have to offer.

I was asked a serious question from an advanced trainer and I gave him my serious answer. It was not my opinion, it was a fact from years of experience and your interpretation just for the sake of posting an opinion void of experience does not serve anyone in this case.

omg...here we go :cry:

why cant anyone ever appreciate my malicious love?

[train hard]

i am about too go and read pages and pages about HGH, Insulin and igf and ill come and post you some advice sifo i have never taken any off those but i will know it all after i do some reading and ill cut and paste you some advice

[thatwaslight]

What type of dose do you think is appropriate android?

I think it's a personal thing mate.

Some people's body can handle constant muscle exhaustion from high volume of work, others can handle constant muscle failure from heavy weights.

For me, when someone says "man you look tired" when I walk into the gym...I needed a B12 shot a day or two ago.

Now, once a month I take a shot because I do only 4 or sometimes 5 workouts a week.

If you're working out twice a day, living and breathing this stuff then taking it more often definitely helps but I've never done ED or EOD. I tried once a week way back when I was splitting Back into 2 workouts and Legs as well, was doing 6 or 7 workouts a week then. And it worked great for me, appetite was strong and CNS didn't feel depressed at all, whereas without it after a heavy Leg workout I would not feel hungry that night or the following day.

mint, im going to get some tomorrow and start. how many iu or mcg do you take if taking in twice pw?

[HarryB]

i am about too go and read pages and pages about HGH, Insulin and igf and ill come and post you some advice sifo i have never taken any off those but i will know it all after i do some reading and ill cut and paste you some advice

Thanks bro...I look forward to trying things a bunch of hardly bodybuilding nerds come up with and post on the internet. Bugger this actual experience stuff, I am on the fast track to lifting enormous weights and finally moving up to a medium size t-shirt!

[Sifo-Dyas]

mint, im going to get some tomorrow and start. how many iu or mcg do you take if taking in twice pw?

Standard practice is 1 x 1ml amp per month but we are not the standard model and I will often take half of a 1ml amp twice a week for 6 weeks and then break for a month. This is the recommended dose in extreme cases to aid people with chronic fatigue

[thatwaslight]

mint, im going to get some tomorrow and start. how many iu or mcg do you take if taking in twice pw?

Standard practice is 1 x 1ml amp per month but we are not the standard model and I will often take half of a 1ml amp twice a week for 6 weeks and then break for a month. This is the recommended dose in extreme cases to aid people with chronic fatigue

Oh sweet thanks for that, did you notice an increased appetite when using?

[WANABJAKD]

a single 1mg dose is 16650% more than what the body requires. my multi vitamin contains 100mcg(1650% RDA) per 3 tabs and i have about 4 a day. im getting over 2000% on a daily basis, this is far beyond what is required. if you wanna increase your appetite look into the hormone ghrelin.

[Sifo-Dyas]

You are a real gun at research WANABJAKD...Have a good look on line and come back with the following answers if you can mate....

Why is it that Amps of injectable Vitamin B are available over the counter in New Zealand without a prescription? It is the only injectable product you can purchase like this?

Then have a look at the medical studies done on the % of Vitamin b absorbed into the bloodstream from taking this vitamin orally as opposed to injecting it...

Real keen to see your impartial results on those two questions bro?

[Sifo-Dyas]

mint, im going to get some tomorrow and start. how many iu or mcg do you take if taking in twice pw?

Standard practice is 1 x 1ml amp per month but we are not the standard model and I will often take half of a 1ml amp twice a week for 6 weeks and then break for a month. This is the recommended dose in extreme cases to aid people with chronic fatigue

Oh sweet thanks for that, did you notice an increased appetite when using?

Appetite...OMG absolute bottomless pit about 4hrs after the shot!

My partner is tiny and half a sandwich and half an apple is enough to completely fill her up!!! I gave her half a shot last week in the afternoon when she was a bit low on energy and that night she ate an entire 4 person macaroni cheese and ice cream for desert. It didn't even hit the bottom!!!

[WANABJAKD]

You are a real gun at research WANABJAKD...Have a good look on line and come back with the following answers if you can mate....

Why is it that Amps of injectable Vitamin B are available over the counter in New Zealand without a prescription? It is the only injectable product you can purchase like this?

Then have a look at the medical studies done on the % of Vitamin b absorbed into the bloodstream from taking this vitamin orally as opposed to injecting it...

Real keen to see your impartial results on those two questions bro?

not interested in wasting my time by doing so, how about you tell me why you guys are using B12?

[Sifo-Dyas]

P.S. - If appetite is an issue for you and you are serous about bodybuilding. learn the safe and correct use of fast acting insulin. This will bring about a new respect for stimulating the appetite and anabolism.

[Sifo-Dyas]

You are a real gun at research WANABJAKD...Have a good look on line and come back with the following answers if you can mate....

Why is it that Amps of injectable Vitamin B are available over the counter in New Zealand without a prescription? It is the only injectable product you can purchase like this?

Then have a look at the medical studies done on the % of Vitamin b absorbed into the bloodstream from taking this vitamin orally as opposed to injecting it...

Real keen to see your impartial results on those two questions bro?

not interested in wasting my time by doing so, how about you tell me why you guys are using B12?

It wont be a waste of time mate. I honestly thought if I posted my rough outline on what I know, you would come back and correct me with the exact facts anyway. There was no disrespect intended. I will make sure I have the numbers right before I post it, but basically, f*ck all if any of the vitamin B taken orally makes it past the liver.

[HarryB]

a single 1mg dose is 16650% more than what the body requires. my multi vitamin contains 100mcg(1650% RDA) per 3 tabs and i have about 4 a day. im getting over 2000% on a daily basis, this is far beyond what is required. if you wanna increase your appetite look into the hormone ghrelin.

From most oral compounds, factoring in optimum absorption you are still looking at only 25% absorption rate. One of the reasons oral delivery doesn't even begin to compare to injectable.

And where oh where would we get ghrelin? That's right, unless we are a lab rat who's having it used on us in a study... no where!

[WANABJAKD]

sifo - i am interested in hearing more. i dont think insulin is a good option for appetite, especially considering that you cant use it for very long.

harry - you just need to know where to look :wink:

[TonganTerror]

ok someone FFS tell me ........b12 to combat fatigue from hard training yes??

b12 for increased appetite when you need it but just cant manage to eat as much as needed yes?

injected IM rather than taken orally for best results yes?

[thatwaslight]

NEVERGUNABJACKED can you stay out of this, No one gives a f*ck about your opinion, it comes from text books not real life, if I wanted to hear the bullshit you spit out I would jump on google and wouldn't be asking any questions. f*ck off back to pubmed!!!

Anyway Sifo how often do you run b12?

[samoan_muscle]

mint, im going to get some tomorrow and start. how many iu or mcg do you take if taking in twice pw?

Standard practice is 1 x 1ml amp per month but we are not the standard model and I will often take half of a 1ml amp twice a week for 6 weeks and then break for a month. This is the recommended dose in extreme cases to aid people with chronic fatigue

Oh sweet thanks for that, did you notice an increased appetite when using?

Off topic - but i knew a guy (a real life guy) who used megestrol acetate to increase his appetite. Not sure how hard it is to get a hold of but he liked it.

[train hard]

i am about too go and read pages and pages about HGH, Insulin and igf and ill come and post you some advice sifo i have never taken any off those but i will know it all after i do some reading and ill cut and paste you some advice

Thanks bro...I look forward to trying things a bunch of hardly bodybuilding nerds come up with and post on the internet. Bugger this actual experience stuff, I am on the fast track to lifting enormous weights and finally moving up to a medium size t-shirt!

WBjaked has inspired me :doh: