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I knew i'd cop it eventually, if it wasn't you, it'd be tom. I ain't mad

He can't handle it though haha

lololol I can give it and I can handle it, someone shoots I shoot back NO HOMO.

No homo?... lol

LOL trust you to do that bro, lololol there fixed. Interesting topic though

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I'd suggest training with sub maximal weights in a controlled environment is a lot safer for our youth than being around PD after he's been watching his dvds.... :pfft: :grin: Just teasing mate!

Seriously tho, I think Cantygirl & Doc have hit it on the head. A safe training environment with knowlegable people around to asist and I cant see any problems.

Personally I started at 12 playing around with 4 kg DB's, a homemade barbell & an ab roller. By 15 I had a free standing squat rack (made from stolen tubing & car rims!) and an adjustable bench + weights. I made the grand height of 5'9" which was about my predicted height based on growth charts (and parents heights).

I let my kids play with light weights & small stones when I'm in the gym or doing strongman training. Other than that I encourage them to do as many different sports as they can, without specialisation, kind of under the same philosophy as was seen in the eastern bloc in years past, to develop as many skills as possible (cf American style of early specialisation, which potentially creates one dimensional athletes & certainly didn't equate to success at elite adult levels).

Beats the shit out of having a kid hooked on World of Warcrack or PS3.... :grin:

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I started weight training at 13, went for a solid 3 years or so until around the time I turned 16 (and got a girlfriend :roll:) and then tailed off for a couple of years before resuming. I got to bang on 1.83cm (6ft).

Trained with my Dad and one of his mates for that young-teen period, and both were actively competing in Bodybuilding at the time - we did lots of squats, bench etc. I tested 1RM a few times - I remember geting a 100 bench up just after turning 16 - so the weights were definitely not light for me at that stage. I did a little deadlifting too but my Dad was hesitant to get me into that until I was a bit older.

I also had a mate who trained a somewhat shorter length of time than I did, but around the same age, and he's a couple inches taller than I am.

Maybe I'm an exception, but it didn't appear to have stunted my growth. I'm a good half a foot (or more) taller than my parents, and approx the same height as my 2 younger brothers - who didn't weight train until out of high school.

Ironically, I stopped growing taller around when I stopped the weight training at 16 :pfft:

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From memory they used to say AAS prematurely closed up growth plates. Again going from memory I think it has been shown that high estrogen levels (rather than Test levels) caused closing of the plates (dont quote me on it!).

Maybe this got transfered to "doing weights stunts your growth". I know growth plates can be damaged (stunting long bone development) by physical force, but you'd expect the forces exerted, on the femur for example, to be higher in a contact sport such as rugby (or perhaps even running) than in the gym environment?

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An Aranui summary here we go,

Gyms are for fags bro I get all my strength from the street. Its where I learnt to fight. I throw a mean haymaker. Drinking woodies and smoking chronic makes me hard as. And running from the cops keeps me fast as. Ill smash you if you want bitches.

If you are reading this on your computer Im going to steal it.

LMFAO :grin: I think some of the meaning of my post got lost in the interpretation :?

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An Aranui summary here we go,

Gyms are for fags bro I get all my strength from the street. Its where I learnt to fight. I throw a mean haymaker. Drinking woodies and smoking chronic makes me hard as. And running from the cops keeps me fast as. Ill smash you if you want bitches.

If you are reading this on your computer Im going to steal it.

LMFAO :grin: I think some of the meaning of my post got lost in the interpretation :?

Chur bro. I grew up in the bad lands so I can look after myself.

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From memory they used to say AAS prematurely closed up growth plates. Again going from memory I think it has been shown that high estrogen levels (rather than Test levels) caused closing of the plates (dont quote me on it!).

Maybe this got transfered to "doing weights stunts your growth". I know growth plates can be damaged (stunting long bone development) by physical force, but you'd expect the forces exerted, on the femur for example, to be higher in a contact sport such as rugby (or perhaps even running) than in the gym environment?

Yeah Nate you are right, it was thought that higher levels of estrogen which are often prevalent at puberty shut down the ephi seals & there were studies done using Letro to slow this process down. I dont know how relevant this is in relation to the new findings outlined in this thread but here was one study -

Inhibiting estrogen to slow the closing on bone plates in adolescent boys

The Lancet, June 2, 2001 v357 i9270 p1743

A specific aromatase inhibitor and potential increase in adult height in boys with delayed puberty: a randomised controlled trial. (Brief Article) Sanna Wickman; Ilkka Sipila; Carina Ankarberg-Lindgren; Ensio Norjavaara; Leo Dunkel.

Abstract: The authors discuss inhibiting estrogen to slow the closing on bone plates in adolescent boys. Using testosterone and letrozole compared against testosterone and an inert substance, they determined that the inhibition of estrogen did slow bone maturation, allowing time for correction of growth disorders.

Full Text: COPYRIGHT 2001 The Lancet Publishing Group, a division of Elsevier Science Ltd.

Summary

Background The role of oestrogens in the closure of growth plates in both sexes is unequivocal. We postulated that inhibition of oestrogen synthesis in boys with delayed puberty would delay maturation of the growth plates and ultimately result in increased adult height.

Methods We did a randomised, double-blind, placebo-controlled study in which we treated boys with constitutional delay of puberty with testosterone and placebo, or testosterone and letrozole. Boys who decided to wait for the spontaneous progression of puberty without medical intervention composed the untreated group.

Findings letrozole effectively inhibited oestrogen synthesis and delayed bone maturation. Progression of bone maturation was slower in the letrozole group than in the placebo group. In 18 months, bone age had advanced 1.1 (SD 0.8) years in the untreated group and 1.7 (0.9) years in the group treated with testosterone and placebo, but only 0.9 (0.6) years in the letrozole group (p=0.03 between the treatment groups). Predicted adult height did not change significantly in the untreated group and in the placebo group, whereas in the group treated with letrozole the increase was 5.1 (3.7) cm (p=0.004).

Interpretations Our findings suggest that if oestrogen action is inhibited in growing adolescents, adult height will increase. This finding provides a rationale for studies that aim to delay bone maturation in several growth disorders.

Lancet 2001; 357: 1743-48

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An Aranui summary here we go,

Gyms are for fags bro I get all my strength from the street. Its where I learnt to fight. I throw a mean haymaker. Drinking woodies and smoking chronic makes me hard as. And running from the cops keeps me fast as. Ill smash you if you want bitches.

If you are reading this on your computer Im going to steal it.

LMFAO :grin: I think some of the meaning of my post got lost in the interpretation :?

Chur bro. I grew up in the bad lands so I can look after myself.

:nod:

Couldnt resist a jab at some of the clients.

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I started training with weights religiously at 16.

I think ideally I think I would have been fine to start at 13, on the provision that I was decently supervised.

Was 6'2 at 13, 6'4 at 16, which is incidentally the age I stopped growing and started lifting! Was 95kg at 16, topped out at 150kg at 22, so it would seem I grew outwards quite a bit!

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I started training with weights religiously at 16.

I think ideally I think I would have been fine to start at 13, on the provision that I was decently supervised.

Was 6'2 at 13, 6'4 at 16, which is incidentally the age I stopped growing and started lifting! Was 95kg at 16, topped out at 150kg at 22, so it would seem I grew outwards quite a bit!

Thats one big motherfucker

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Just as an aside...

Two 15 year old rugby players started training at Eastside 8 weeks ago. No previous weight training experience. Both can now:

- bench bodyweight for 10 reps;

- deadlift 1.5 times bodyweight for 10 reps;

- squat 1.5 times boyweight for 10 reps.

That's the highlight of my year so far.

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Our policy is the same as the IPF from the day he turns 14, but limited access to The House between 3.00pm and 6.00pm mon-fri. Accompanied by an adult unless he is getting into Olympic Weightlifting or Powerlifting then he is a part of group training.

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LOL - I try to make my two youngest sit at the table in the gym & draw or read, but they often end up treating the gym like a playground. My 6yo often does 2000m on the rower while Steve & I train - makes for a great babysitter.

Last night they were all over the Swissballs and the rowers..... I had to lay the law down about swinging on the eliptical trainer & trying to do deadlifts with the 30kg Powerbags!

I often let them play supervised with the plastic DB's.... heres last nights effort while I was squatting!

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Just as an aside...

Two 15 year old rugby players started training at Eastside 8 weeks ago. No previous weight training experience. Both can now:

- bench bodyweight for 10 reps;

- deadlift 1.5 times bodyweight for 10 reps;

- squat 1.5 times boyweight for 10 reps.

That's the highlight of my year so far.

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Good stuff

are they over 5 foot tall yet?

Lean them up against the wall and mark their heights and in 5 years time we will check and see if it stunted there growth!

:lol:

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