behind the neck barbell pressess

[train hard]

who does them ? who doesnt do them because they are dangerous?

they have been a regular in my training for a long time and i like them and i think they are one of the most effective exercises never had any injuries doing them and i try and go heavy no less then 8 reps with good form

[tomsammce]

they not dangerous, only if done incorrectly. they a great exercise for shoulders.

Mint!

[Phedder]

What do they offer that you can't get from other shoulder pressing exercises?

[andy s]

who does them ? who doesnt do them because they are dangerous?

I started them a couple of months back. Like em. How are they dangerous?

[tomsammce]

What do they offer that you can't get from other shoulder pressing exercises?

i do other shoulder press exercises too..

[tomsammce]

who does them ? who doesnt do them because they are dangerous?

I started them a couple of months back. Like em. How are they dangerous?

some people believe they are dangerous for your neck... like behind neck lat pulldown etc...

complete bullshit mate, any exercise can be dangerous with bad form

[Phedder]

What do they offer that you can't get from other shoulder pressing exercises?

i do other shoulder press exercises too..

Wasn't saying you didn't, I'm genuinely curious what the benefits are. Never incorporated them in my training before because I don't like the positioning, just feels odd to me.

[rimma]

The fullah over at chaosandpain.blogspot.com swears by them. If that has any relevance. Which it probably doesn't.

[tomsammce]

What do they offer that you can't get from other shoulder pressing exercises?

i do other shoulder press exercises too..

Wasn't saying you didn't, I'm genuinely curious what the benefits are. Never incorporated them in my training before because I don't like the positioning, just feels odd to me.

well to me it feels when i do normal seated bb shouler poress that my front delts are getting more worked, behind neck feels like all 3 heard of shoulder getting more evenly worked.

but hey guess its like standing alt db curl or seated.... wtf its matter lol

[train hard]

the most effective exercise for hitting all three heads of the delt at the same time a great mass builder

science and a pt at my gym that interupted me in between my sets :x says that its bad for your rotar cuff because your putting your shoulder in an awkward position i can see the point but if you do it properly and dont be stupid ie not an exercise to attempt a 1rm or use poor form it is safe and effective

[Phedder]

the most effective exercise for hitting all three heads of the delt at the same time a great mass builder

science and a pt at my gym that interupted me in between my sets :x says that its bad for your rotar cuff because your putting your shoulder in an awkward position i can see the point but if you do it properly and dont be stupid ie not an exercise to attempt a 1rm or use poor form it is safe and effective

Yeah I've read a bit about it being unsafe for the rotator cuff, but as with most things should probably be a case by case basis. If you don't feel any unusual discomfort performing the movement then there's unlikely to be issues. If it just feels wrong from the get go then probably not for you.

[PeterDolan]

Squats are dangerous, lunges are dangerous, DB curls are dangerous. Just more likely to injure yourself on pressing movements cause it's such a free moving joint. Do tham and do them smart and you'll add width to your delts

[tinytraps]

I got this exercise off jamie lewis AKA mr chaos and pain. Much better feel taking a wider grip and starting with a pushpress to get you off the most awkward position.

[andy s]

Hardest part is getting rid of the bar at the end. i think if you were going to do damage thats where you'd do it.

[PeterDolan]

Hardest part is getting rid of the bar at the end. i think if you were going to do damage thats where you'd do it.

Do it on the smitty then

[Bobsta]

Hardest part is getting rid of the bar at the end. i think if you were going to do damage thats where you'd do it.

Get under the bar as if you were gonna squat, and start the movement with a bit of a push press as TT suggested to get the 1st rep going, when your done put it back on your traps/rear delts and rack the bar same as you would with squats. you need to do them in a squat or power rack, or as PD suggeted the smith machine although i dont prefer the smith option.

Also keep the shoulder blades squeezed through out the movement as much as you can, that tends to keep the joint safer

[Dr Squat]

What do they offer that you can't get from other shoulder pressing exercises?

I like the range of motion. I can get an incredible stretch at the bottom and then work in a range from the bottom position to three quarters of the way up. I do favour the smith machine these days.

You are right, you can probably get the same benefits from doing other front pressing movements but it offers variety. I'm a pretty simple prick and I believe that if it doesn't hurt (as in injury hurt) then it's okay.

As an aside, my bench has responded really well to increasing my range of motion on my shoulder pressing movements. The maximum stretch at the bottom is so important IMO.

[PeterDolan]

I can get an incredible stretch at the bottom and then work in a range from the bottom position

From what I have read, this is when the rotator muscles are in their weakest, most comprimised position. So my advice (unless this is a myth) to simply not go as deep in the movement if you are weary of injury.

But in my opion, almost every exercise is dangerous to a point and you are almost always risking injury, just don't be silly and you should be fine

[vracula]

I don't do them ,mainly because your in a very vulnerable position,as it's the only exercise I can think of where there are parts of that muscle already at max stretch at the beginning and end of an exercise hope that makes sense.Just my opinion but each to his own.

[Dr Squat]

I can get an incredible stretch at the bottom and then work in a range from the bottom position

From what I have read, this is when the rotator muscles are in their weakest, most comprimised position. So my advice (unless this is a myth) to simply not go as deep in the movement if you are weary of injury.

But in my opion, almost every exercise is dangerous to a point and you are almost always risking injury, just don't be silly and you should be fine

Yup. Take a risk bro.

[nate225]

I can get an incredible stretch at the bottom and then work in a range from the bottom position

From what I have read, this is when the rotator muscles are in their weakest, most comprimised position. So my advice (unless this is a myth) to simply not go as deep in the movement if you are weary of injury.

But in my opion, almost every exercise is dangerous to a point and you are almost always risking injury, just don't be silly and you should be fine

Yup. Take a risk bro.

Risk vs Reward as always. Justin Keogh has a study covering this. Maybe get him to add the link to it.

[nate225]

From Justin's Study - I'll post the link in a new thread.

Are you currently performing the behind the-neck press, pull-down, or chins behind your neck in your training program? These exercises are very stressful to the rotator cuff and shoulder ligaments and generally produce less activation of the delts and lats than when done to the front of the body.12, 28 Since the risk-to-benefit ratio for these behind-the-neck

exercises appears too high, you should avoid these exercises in your training.

[vracula]

agreed not really worth it.Once the weights pile up only a matter of time before something snaps.

[nate225]

agreed not really worth it.Once the weights pile up only a matter of time before something snaps.

I do them rarely & not with a heavy weight, although I do heavy BTN jerks with 100+, but I figure the drive from the weakened position comes mainly from the momentum generated by the legs.

[Dr Squat]

agreed not really worth it.Once the weights pile up only a matter of time before something snaps.

I do them rarely & not with a heavy weight, although I do heavy BTN jerks with 100+, but I figure the drive from the weakened position comes mainly from the momentum generated by the legs.

I do behind neck press with 140 kg for reps. I am not the most flexible person and I like to go really deep. My shoulders have never been as strong. I'm not expecting anything to go "snap". Each to their own I guess.