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WTF is "raw"?

Cameron_R

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I'm a raw lifter and dislike bench shirts. But I have huge respect for Leighton Best, Reuben Simanu and others who have mastered the shirt and posted huge numbers. These guys are big raw benchers also. They compete in a federation which allows bench shirts so they wear them like everyone else. It's a ridiculous argument to say that it's not the lifter lifting.

IPF only allows single ply shirts. Some other feds allow multi-ply hence the huge benching.

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doesn't impress me all this equipped shit, to me, it's not the athlete benching

To be honest I'm not as impressed by 50-ply either (vs raw lifting). However, a good lift is a good lift. I think people need to bear in mind that equipped lifting is just like any other sport that uses equipment. It still takes strength and skill to use the equipment to the lifters advantage.

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A famous quote from lou simmons goes a lil like this " Ive got a bench shirt and a bottle of test in my basement but I aint seen them bench shit yet!"

I challenge those guys hatin' on equipped lifting to get in a shirt and try it. It takes a different type of strength. Try holding something thats well over your max, keeping it in the sweet spot then being able to lock it out.

I love shirted benching, and while I was focusing on those bench comps I couldnt give a toss how much my raw was cos' I was lifting equipped. All my effort was focused on the top end doing boards and lock out and it paid off. Depending on how I had the shirt I could get 20-60kgs on. Best I did in that shirt was 170 paused to the chest, got 180 to a 2" board. This year I will hit 200+ in the equipped bench and 140+ raw, gettin the best of both worlds.

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I train a couple of powerliters and teaching them how to lift with gear is like teaching them to train all over again. It changes the dynamics of the movements almost completely. I guess most of us regular gym types can relate a lot better to a raw lift because it's pretty much what we do every time we train.

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I understand that wearing a shirt changes things but they couldn't lift that weight themselves, that's all I'm saying, it's within the rules and gives them a better total.

This.

Sorry guys. Not hating but I think you have missed the point. Let's agree to disagree.

Tonka is the biggest bencher in NZ, both shirted and raw.

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Most shirts are made of polyester but some are denim and I beleive there are others around that are made of canvas.

Make no mistake these shirts are tighter than a tee on a guido. Once yourve got it on youd be lucky to unlock your elbows with just the bar.

As you lower the bar the chest plate and sleeves get loaded up with energy. The stored energy gives a rebound effect helping with the bottom portion of the lift. I find that the shirt also gives alot of support around the shoulder/tri areas.

I understand that wearing a shirt changes things but they couldn't lift that weight themselves, that's all I'm saying, it's within the rules and gives them a better total.

Course they lift the weight themselves! Its like saying you didnt squat that weight cos you had wraps or a belt or whatever.

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Ah fund times.

I think TT finally managed to answer the original question about how they actually work.

I think you just need to put the numbers in context. Tonka has been up around 260kg+ raw, that's impressive in anyone's books!!! He has lifted over 300kg with a shirt, if you tell me that's not impressive I will lend you a bench shirt to put on and help you unrack 300kg and then help call the ambulance for you.

Shirts are used by competitive powerlifters for the purpose of competitions generally not by people who want to brag about how much they bench.

I am sure we will have this discussion again in 6 months.

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Ah fund times.

I think TT finally managed to answer the original question about how they actually work.

I think you just need to put the numbers in context. Tonka has been up around 260kg+ raw, that's impressive in anyone's books!!! He has lifted over 300kg with a shirt, if you tell me that's not impressive I will lend you a bench shirt to put on and help you unrack 300kg and then help call the ambulance for you.

Shirts are used by competitive powerlifters for the purpose of competitions generally not by people who want to brag about how much they bench.

I am sure we will have this discussion again in 6 months.

bro is that fry db curling in ur display pic? lol

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Ah fund times.

I think TT finally managed to answer the original question about how they actually work.

I think you just need to put the numbers in context. Tonka has been up around 260kg+ raw, that's impressive in anyone's books!!! He has lifted over 300kg with a shirt, if you tell me that's not impressive I will lend you a bench shirt to put on and help you unrack 300kg and then help call the ambulance for you.

Shirts are used by competitive powerlifters for the purpose of competitions generally not by people who want to brag about how much they bench.

I am sure we will have this discussion again in 6 months.

bro is that fry db curling in ur display pic? lol

Frydog loves to blast the guns.

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Does training shirted increase your raw bench faster than training raw? If so then I cede that the shirt only assists the lifter in adding 40kg+, not adds the all the 40kg+

Yes the numbers are big, I'm not disputing that and I understand how the shirts work, I'm just saying

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In powerlifting competition there is no extra points awarded for lifting raw...sadly...although this may change in the future. Lifting raw in competion is like playing a round of golf with only a few clubs. You will still get round the course but not as well as the guy who has a bag full of clubs to match each shot :lol::lol::lol:

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Does training shirted increase your raw bench faster than training raw? If so then I cede that the shirt only assists the lifter in adding 40kg+, not adds the all the 40kg+

Yes the numbers are big, I'm not disputing that and I understand how the shirts work, I'm just saying

You dont just put a shirt on and instantly add 40kgs. If you train for raw you train the low end. If you train for shirted you train the top end. Your trying to compare apples with oranges

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Does training shirted increase your raw bench faster than training raw? If so then I cede that the shirt only assists the lifter in adding 40kg+, not adds the all the 40kg+

Yes the numbers are big, I'm not disputing that and I understand how the shirts work, I'm just saying

All good bro. Raw and shirted are chalk and cheese. If anything, training in a shirt detracts from your raw bench (IMO). Alf may have a different view. I haven't worn one for years and don't expect I will again.

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