Diet... Bulking now Triming... Too much??

[tomsammce]

d) I'll agree somewhat, but not to any significant effect.

e) Not entire sure what you mean here?

d) fibre is a form of carb that contributes to sateity without adding cals because it is not absorbed into the body. so a 100-calorie high-fiber food will reduce appetite and subseqent eating more than a 100-calorie low-fiber food. what im saying is a person who increases his daily fiber consumption without making any conscious effort to eat less will end up eating less anyway due to reduced appetite. meaning a calorie inside a high-fibre food is not equal to a calorie inside a low-fibre food—yet a fourth way in which “a calorie is not a calorie.”

e) i cant be bothered explaining the last one lol its friday night.

[Phedder]

d) I'll agree somewhat, but not to any significant effect.

What I meant was that most diets do not consist of large enough amounts of insoluble fibre to have any significant effect on total calorie absorption. Perhaps 50-100cal?

fibre is a form of carb that contributes to sateity without adding cals because it is not absorbed into the body

Insoluble fibre yes, soluble fibre does get absorbed and contribute calories.

I also think our definitions of a calorie is not a calorie may be different. I agree due to the thermic effect of food the energy required just to process the food that calories gained from carbs fats and proteins are differ numbecally. But simply saying a calorie is not a calorie is untrue because a calorie is a measure of energy.

[tomsammce]

fair enough, i can tell ur a real book worm lol

my conclusiuon to this thread is counting calories has some value. hwever, for the reasons i posted above, you cant count on calories from any source to affect your body equally in all circumstances.

cheers.

[bob26]

calorie, calorie, calorie. blah, blah, blah.

Go eat something !

quality calories though.

[startinfromscratch]

calorie, calorie, calorie. blah, blah, blah.

Go eat something !

quality calories though.

shit just got real in here.

[Phedder]

fair enough, i can tell ur a real book worm lol

I'm quite a curious person, so tend to do a fair bit of reading on whatever interests me. Plus I like to know what I'm talking about by checking out reputable sources etc, rather than just repeating what someone else has said.

you cant count on calories from any source to affect your body equally in all circumstances.

Agreed.

Damn right Bob, OP needs to eat more, plain and simple. As much as this little debate would make it seem far from simple :pfft: Got a bit carried away :shifty:

[GTLBloke]

What Rose is saying is that 1300 is WAY to low. In my opinion you should never eat below your BMR, that's what your body needs to function at nil activity, ie lying in a bed all day, not moving. Unless you were doing a PSMF but let's not get into that. You've likely put your body in starvation mode, so it's burning muscle and holding onto fat in case the starvation continues and it needs the fat for fuel later on.

Going to higher reps was possibly a bad idea as well, along with all the cardio you're body will be forced to burn muscle as fuel. Keep the reps low and the weight high to tell the body that the muscle needs to stick around.

Honestly at 5'11" and 74kgs, if you're already relatively lean there's no point in continuing to drop weight. I'd up the intake until you slowly start gaining again, aim for maybe a 500g gain a week. Should be able to keep fat gains minimal with that and continue to build muscle.

Hi Phedder,

Thanks for the advice,

Yeah I have been feeling really average trying to keep my diet at around 1300 a day, I probably went over this amount anyway as I wansnt counting all of my food intakes anyway. After reading all of your comments I think I'm going to go back to building, and forget about the six pack for summer :wink:

This is what I'm going to eat during the week.

Breakfast

Oats with milk

40g Whey Protein

Morning Tea

40g Whey Protein

Lunch1 x Chicken Breast

1 x serving of brown rice

Afternoon before the gym

Oats & 40g Whey Protein

After the workout

40g Whey Protein small amount of Oats

Dinner

Vegetables & Steak

How does that look?

[Phedder]

Looks like a lot of oats and whey :pfft: . They're great but shouldn't really make up a whole diet, you also need some more fats to keep your hormones happy. I'd try eat a whole food for your morning tea instead of a shake, something with quite a bit of protein and some good fats too. A can of salmon would go nicely if you can stomach it fine. Throw some olive oil in with your chicken and rice, and maybe cook your veges and steak in a bit of butter.

Monitor your weight. If it goes up too quickly cut back a bit, if it's barely going up at all then add some more food, simple. Expect to gain a few kgs the first week or two of it though, you've been eating so little your bodies going to really soak it all up at first.

[workonit]

i learnt more on this page than i have trawling this site for hours. thanks guys :clap:

[GTLBloke]

Looks like a lot of oats and whey :pfft: . They're great but shouldn't really make up a whole diet, you also need some more fats to keep your hormones happy. I'd try eat a whole food for your morning tea instead of a shake, something with quite a bit of protein and some good fats too. A can of salmon would go nicely if you can stomach it fine. Throw some olive oil in with your chicken and rice, and maybe cook your veges and steak in a bit of butter.

Monitor your weight. If it goes up too quickly cut back a bit, if it's barely going up at all then add some more food, simple. Expect to gain a few kgs the first week or two of it though, you've been eating so little your bodies going to really soak it all up at first.

Yeah I think I have to get more into my foods and not just whey Might give the tin samon a go, I haven't had it out of a can before so hopefully it isn't too bad! (can't do chop chop chicken!!) I have upped my food intake over the the last couple of days and have a lot more energy, and have a lot more power in my workouts now.

I'm having balance creatine, and jacked preworkout which also really really helps my workouts!

I think the biggest mistake I made when I first started out bulking was going on that Mutant Mass stuff... I reckon most of the weight that I started putting on would of been fat, and going by what people have said about that product on the internet it seems that's all it is good for! I want muscles, not FAT!!