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Supplement warning for those on Testing

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goodbye jacked and 1-mr :x

Only if you're tested and stupid is DMAA a problem. In saying that, with the amount of tested athletes that seem to use cough medication and then get banned for it I think a lot of athletes are either ignorant or extremely dumb nutrition wise, so maybe it should be banned.

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Jack3d has geranamine in so only banned in competition. No problem outside of comps as long as you allow time for it to be not present in your urine. I guess the idea is that stimulants only help if used in a competition - funny though I would've thought making weight classes was another use???

Anyhow its in comp only. I believe WADA are reclassifying geranamine due to all the drama its caused and not a huge enhancer - something in the 2011 WADA code clarifying this I believe.

The DHEA products are less likely to be found in NZL as this is a prescription only item. Banned in & out of comp, and sits in the AAS class. Two year ban material.

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I don't understand why Drugfree NZ ban 7-keto (7-keto-dhea) due to the fact that it is related to DHEA yet medsafe allow OTC sale of 7-keto but not DHEA, and most of the rest of the world don't seem to think 7-keto has any similarity in effect whatsoever to DHEA.

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Numerous studies have proven DHEA to have no significant increase in performance or Test levels anyways. Whats next? They actually ban training? Sometimes I think they can go a bit overboard, god knows why they ban cannabis, Its not exactly performance enhancing lol. Oh well I guess you just have to live by the rules.

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I don't understand why Drugfree NZ ban 7-keto (7-keto-dhea) due to the fact that it is related to DHEA yet medsafe allow OTC sale of 7-keto but not DHEA, and most of the rest of the world don't seem to think 7-keto has any similarity in effect whatsoever to DHEA.

DFS NZ don't make that call Flex, it comes from WADA who oversee drugtesting worldwide with the annually updated code. Some things on the list defy reason but the majority make sense to me.

Riccardo - check this out re: Cannabis http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sp ... 5943440410

I struggle with this being on a list of performance enhancing drugs, it is clearly performance impairing. Should be banned in individual sports where safety is a concern as alcohol is in motorsports.

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With workplace drug testing (done by ESR) most stimulants have a detection time (to a cut off level) of between 1-2 days up to a week.

I'm unsure what the cutoffs are for WADA testing or even if there are any (might be just presence detected) and DMAA is a newie, but if I had to guess I reckon two weeks would get you well clear. Would I run the risk of testing my theory...... hell no! LOL :pfft: :grin:

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With workplace drug testing (done by ESR) most stimulants have a detection time (to a cut off level) of between 1-2 days up to a week.

I'm unsure what the cutoffs are for WADA testing or even if there are any (might be just presence detected) and DMAA is a newie, but if I had to guess I reckon two weeks would get you well clear. Would I run the risk of testing my theory...... hell no! LOL :pfft: :grin:

I would be keen to put that theory to the test.

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With workplace drug testing (done by ESR) most stimulants have a detection time (to a cut off level) of between 1-2 days up to a week.

I'm unsure what the cutoffs are for WADA testing or even if there are any (might be just presence detected) and DMAA is a newie, but if I had to guess I reckon two weeks would get you well clear. Would I run the risk of testing my theory...... hell no! LOL :pfft: :grin:

I would be keen to put that theory to the test.

You'd probably be pretty safe, I have heard of rugby players using it pre-game (Ripped Freak) & testing clear after the match! LOL

From the 2011 WADA code:

Why was methylexaneamine reclassified from a “non-specified” stimulant to a “specified” stimulant?

Methylexaneamine was sold as a legitimate medicine until the beginning of the 1970s and has known medicinal properties. To WADA’s knowledge, the substance has not been sold as a medicine since the 1970s. However, during the course of 2010, the anti-doping community noticed evidence that this substance had reappeared in a number of nutritional supplements and was therefore subject to potential inadvertent use by athletes.

While athletes are responsible for everything they use under the strict liability principle applied in the fight against doping, international experts forming WADA’s Scientific Committees took this reality into account to reclassify methylexaneamine into the “specified stimulants” category of the 2011 List.

Generally speaking, “specified substances” are substances that are more susceptible to a credible, non-doping explanation. If the athlete can prove that he or she did not intend to enhance performance by using them to the satisfaction of the results management authority, the sanction under the World Anti-Doping Code can go from a warning to a 2-year ban.

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