Sheiko Deadlift to Knees

[teamfatboy]

Hi folks

I know this has been discussed, but just checking... in the Sheiko programmes where he calls for "deadlift to knees", am I hearing everyone right that what is meant is "deadlift from floor to knees, pause a one-count, then pull to complete the deadlift" ?

Thanks

[tinytraps]

you are correct 8)

[drizzt]

My spirits dropped a little when I first investigated the program and heard what "to the knees" actually meant

Honestly though, I'm personally looking forward to doing 'em 8)

[groovy]

On the first week of #29 when i was doing the Deadlift to the Knees. I did exactly what it means. Deadlifting to the knees and put it back down.

I thought it makes because later on you perform the Deadlift from the knees.

But how wrong i was. Stupid :doh: :doh:

Should have researched a little better

[tinytraps]

dont worry groovy we all did them like that at some point only recently have we found out via wade hooper what boris really meant!

[red machine]

hahaha faark when i did it early in the year i was just rockin it to the knee, pause then down and lovin it....ease, now i see this fully gutted maybe not so looking foarward to deads tomorro now :shock:

[Big john]

i think the majority of us have indeed been just taking the bar to the knees holding for 2 secs then putting it back down on the floor. But imo it works just as fine, those who did that way (myself included) still got gains in the deadlift,

Sometimes you dont have to be a Russian Robot and follow it to the letter :twisted:

[tinytraps]

i think the majority of us have indeed been just taking the bar to the knees holding for 2 secs then putting it back down on the floor. But imo it works just as fine, those who did that way (myself included) still got gains in the deadlift,

Sometimes you dont have to be a Russian Robot and follow it to the letter :twisted:

maybe you should coach teh russian powerlifting team aye bro? :grin:

[TonganTerror]

:pfft: :pfft: :pfft: TT you having friendly dig at everyone today mate good stuff :grin:

[morattigirl]

Those deads to knees are fucken hard man, I get the full on shakes lol but you gotta be better for it, gotta be!! That's what I tell myself anyways :pfft:

oh shit... deads tomorrow :shock:

[Big john]

i think the majority of us have indeed been just taking the bar to the knees holding for 2 secs then putting it back down on the floor. But imo it works just as fine, those who did that way (myself included) still got gains in the deadlift,

Sometimes you dont have to be a Russian Robot and follow it to the letter :twisted:

maybe you should coach teh russian powerlifting team aye bro? :grin:

I could coach you bro to give u a decent deadlift :pfft: :pfft:

[steak]

you could swap him for 1/2 his squat and still be happy :grin:

Im glad I did them wrong/the other way for 3 cycles.

[tinytraps]

i think the majority of us have indeed been just taking the bar to the knees holding for 2 secs then putting it back down on the floor. But imo it works just as fine, those who did that way (myself included) still got gains in the deadlift,

Sometimes you dont have to be a Russian Robot and follow it to the letter :twisted:

maybe you should coach teh russian powerlifting team aye bro? :grin:

I could coach you bro to give u a decent deadlift :pfft: :pfft:

Haha if I ever had to enter a deadlift only comp maybe Id take you up on that...but seeing ive benched in comp more than yourve squatted your my student son :twisted: .....

[tinytraps]

you could swap him for 1/2 his squat and still be happy :grin:

Im glad I did them wrong/the other way for 3 cycles.

Why do you say that bro? reading the pulls to knee doc on bmf what I got from it was that pulls to knees are a tool to teach you to stay more up right and use more quad drive. The trick to them is to pull to the knee with little hip extension then explode to lockout.

The trouble I think with doing them the "old way" is your decellarating the bar at the knee, so I suppose over time you could develop the tendency to slow down at lockout (but I suppose thats why the rack pulls are thrown in there)

[Big john]

maybe you should coach teh russian powerlifting team aye bro? :grin:

I could coach you bro to give u a decent deadlift :pfft: :pfft:

Haha if I ever had to enter a deadlift only comp maybe Id take you up on that...but seeing ive benched in comp more than yourve squatted your my student son :twisted: .....

Not roar bench u havent ...son :grin:

[steak]

its not a raw sport...yet

[TonganTerror]

Im glad I did them wrong/the other way for 3 cycles.

Interesting thought there steak, I would have thought you would be pissed that you missed out on some of the benefits of doing the template properly as clearly the Russians whom used and designed it have mastered the template to make sure every exercise is there for a reason.

[teamfatboy]

clearly the Russians whom used and designed it have mastered the template to make sure every exercise is there for a reason.

Ya see, that's the funny thing... this didn't emerge 'til after my first go'round on #29, and it seemed kinda "logical" :shifty: to me that you'd break the deadlift into two phases.

(NB "logical" means - it made a weird kind of sense to a person with sod-all knowledge of leverage, muscle geometry, the dynamics of the lift... I'm sure that to the experts it probably makes no sense at all, esp since the bench isn't broken into two-board and full range, nor the squat)

[steak]

Im glad I did them wrong/the other way for 3 cycles.

Interesting thought there steak, I would have thought you would be pissed that you missed out on some of the benefits of doing the template properly as clearly the Russians whom used and designed it have mastered the template to make sure every exercise is there for a reason.[/quo

they are bro..every single movement 8)

my comment was more of a "casts bait out to the innuhets" and see what what bites...got a tiddler

but in hindsight a well executed pause at the knees mmmm could be something there of benefit, static 2 -3 second pause and all.

[tinytraps]

clearly the Russians whom used and designed it have mastered the template to make sure every exercise is there for a reason.

Ya see, that's the funny thing... this didn't emerge 'til after my first go'round on #29, and it seemed kinda "logical" :shifty: to me that you'd break the deadlift into two phases.

(NB "logical" means - it made a weird kind of sense to a person with sod-all knowledge of leverage, muscle geometry, the dynamics of the lift... I'm sure that to the experts it probably makes no sense at all, esp since the bench isn't broken into two-board and full range, nor the squat)

TFB after 1 or 2 cycles the bench can be split into different days eg wg, cg, 2board. The bench doesnt require as much neural efficiency as squats or deads so more variety can be used and wont disrupt the movement patterns. Squats kind of the same adding in pause squats or box squats to work power out of the bottom.

There is some room for variation in the sheiko template but you have to be careful as making massive changes can lead to massive consequences. the russians arent the most dominant nation in powerlifting by chance :wink:

[steak]

agree...mix the sessions up as you become more advanced. Eg monday heavy and shirted bench max grip, Wed - close grip and boards, fri - speed and med grip...what ever works for you

[teamfatboy]

agree...mix the sessions up as you become more advanced. Eg monday heavy and shirted bench max grip, Wed - close grip and boards, fri - speed and med grip...what ever works for you

If I do it in a singlet, does that help :pfft: but yes, if I've learned anything it's that the best course of action for me is to find out what the programme should be and execute on that...

So, today, it was pull from floor to knees, one-count pause, finish the lift, lower, repeat. TP noted that the 1s pause really hit his erectors hard, and funnily enough guess where he tends to get stuck.... :think:

Thanks guys

[steak]

If I do it in a singlet, does that help

Get an Eastside or Coast Barbell T shirt and cut the sleeves off. This will add 10% to any lift

Powerhouse Ts done the same way add 11% :grin:

[teamfatboy]

Reckon there's gotta be a rule about those t-shirts - don't wear 'em 'til you've trained there, probably twice!.

Got some breaktime coming, might have to talk to OB about a session at the House.

[TonganTerror]

Reckon there's gotta be a rule about those t-shirts - don't wear 'em 'til you've trained there, probably twice!.

Got some breaktime coming, might have to talk to OB about a session at the House.

funny TFB I got given a 1000lb T from an old gym that doesnt exist in tga called golds gym its from 1998 I cant bring myself to wear it as I just feel its sacred weird but true.