Roaccutane on cycle

[justhell]

Just courious if i can can take roaccutane when im doing a cycle of testosterone enanthate and d-bol?

i havent started roaccutane yet ,just waiting for my doctor to get back to me.

i want to get rid of back,neck & shoulder acne before christmas.

i had planned to start a cycle in 2 weeks time.

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[rimma]

Hey man, don't know anything about gear but I know a bit about isotretinoin (roaccutane). It basically causes Vitamin A toxicity which puts a hell of a lot of stress on your kidneys and liver.

My doctor told me not to take any creatine or even protein powder while on the tane-this was all to avoid putting any undue stress on the liver and potentially causing liver damage.

Having said that, I don't know to what extent gear affects the liver so you'd have to do some research or someone might reply who knows.

My advice would be do a hard and fast cycle of accutane (max dosage in the shortest time possible, maybe three months) rather than dragging it out over six months/ a year like some people do.

[justhell]

thanks for that rimma,yea the more iv thought bout it,im thinking i might have to put cycle off till after roaccutane.

the doc hasnt told me much about it yet(hes going to sort out dosesages and get back to me).

shit its hard to get anything of doctors.

i told him im not doing steroids.(he asked).

I wounder if i just do testosterone @ 500mg per week?

im not sure how harsh that would be on liver.

The doctor is going to moniter bloods when on roaccutane.

Would liver support help?

[gymhoe]

Don't take while on cycle it can send you into deep depression it is a very harsh drug even if your not on gear it can do the same so be careful

[genetic freek]

You Will f*ck yourself if you do this. Kidneys n Liver - you can kiss them good bye. Esp with Dbol

[Darwinstef]

Don't take while on cycle it can send you into deep depression it is a very harsh drug even if your not on gear it can do the same so be careful

No that have any experiance with a cycle but I can concur this stuff is hard on the body and mind, works well at what it does but isn't the most fun.

[justhell]

thanks for replys guys,dam it,i think all i will get depressed about is, havin everything to do a cycle and not able to do it. =P~

not what i want to hear,but cheers for making me aware of sides.

I do want to look after my liver/kidneys.

il proberly just hold off on cycle till iv finished roaccutane.

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[KRS1]

I took accutane for a year and cycled twice during that time. Other than skyrocketing my cholesterol I had no side effects.

Cholesterol lowered after the initial surge and ended up no worse than when I cycle without accutane.

No change in liver and kidney functions, I was taking milk thistle daily.

I say give it ago, take your blood tests monthly (as you should be when starting an accutane course), you'll know if anything is going wrong early enough to stop without causing serious damage.

I should mention that my accutane dosage was 30mg/day, as was my oral dose (4weeks only) while cycling.

[KRS1]

Perhaps an injectable only cycle if you're worried about your liver?

[tomsammce]

your going to hold off with this aas cycle till after u have finished you acne medicine??? whats the point of that the acne will just come back when your on the gear lol

[justhell]

I took accutane for a year and cycled twice during that time. Other than skyrocketing my cholesterol I had no side effects.

Cholesterol lowered after the initial surge and ended up no worse than when I cycle without accutane.

No change in liver and kidney functions, I was taking milk thistle daily.

I say give it ago, take your blood tests monthly (as you should be when starting an accutane course), you'll know if anything is going wrong early enough to stop without causing serious damage.

I should mention that my accutane dosage was 30mg/day, as was my oral dose (4weeks only) while cycling.

Good stuff KRS1 thats more like what i want to hear :nod: ,may be i leave out d-bol this cycle(lock it in a closet so i cant see it).

your going to hold off with this aas cycle till after u have finished you acne medicine??? whats the point of that the acne will just come back when your on the gear lol

I have read bout others using accutane and they dont have any problems with acne after cycles.

the doc said it will get worse b4 it gets better so maybe it flushes it out of your system or something?

cheers guys im thinking good thoughts now.

[rimma]

It doens't "flush it out" per se but it does permanently shrink your sebaceous glands, meaning for about 90% of people it never comes back.

30mg of accutane is one thing, but that is gonna be a pretty long course. For example I take 80mg daily and if you are closer to 100kg you will be up around 100mg of tane per day.

I guess the other option would be taking a really low dose i.e. 10mg per day and taking it over a couple of years. Then you could almost certianly juice without rooting your liver. But f*ck that, imo its not the kind of drug you want to be on for a long time.

Is it possible to talk to your doctor about it?

[justhell]

hi rimma,yeep he hasnt prescribed it yet as he is going to look into doseages first then get back to me.

i weigh 80kg now & thats very consistant.

i think my doctor will only use it very at light dosage knowing him,so i guess i should be ok?

have been looking forward to doing my next test cycle for the last 3 months,but i will listen to what the doctor says first then take it from there.

i dont have any problems with depression.

thanks for that rimma,it sounds like a pretty powerful drug.

justin.

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[kendo]

Thought i'll add my 5cents worth..... ive just started on 10mg daily of Oratane for a week and didn't see and results so ive up it to 20mg daily, now after reading previous replys 20mgs seems too little? Thinking about revisiting my doc to see if its wise to up dosage to 80-100mg, i also weigh 100kg.

Keen too get this F#%$@n acne sorted!!!!

And planned to start a cycle while doing this course of oratane....so began with dbol and after the first week i felt very bad lower back pain so stopped the dbols, now im gonna wait till i ve finished my oratane before starting a cycle now......scary

Any thoughts?

Is there any differnce between Oratane/Roaccutane/Accutane?

[Mike Zero]

It is most likely your doctor will start you on a dosage of 20mgs and then work you up to around 1mg/kg of bodyweight. But only if your acne is particularly bad and it has been proven that other methods aren't working (will probably put you on an antibiotic first for a couple of months and see if that helps). As others have said, Roaccutane/Oratane should be used minimally with other stuff that may cause harm to your liver, so oral steroids aren't a good idea, can't imagine there being any problem with injectables. Your doc's number one priority is your health because it's his arse on the line if anything goes wrong. So even if you don't really care about your health and go ahead and use orals it will probably show as a spike in liver function on your next set of blood tests and you will be pulled off the acne meds and have to start the whole process all over.

[kendo]

It is most likely your doctor will start you on a dosage of 20mgs and then work you up to around 1mg/kg of bodyweight. But only if your acne is particularly bad and it has been proven that other methods aren't working (will probably put you on an antibiotic first for a couple of months and see if that helps). As others have said, Roaccutane/Oratane should be used minimally with other stuff that may cause harm to your liver, so oral steroids aren't a good idea, can't imagine there being any problem with injectables. Your doc's number one priority is your health because it's his arse on the line if anything goes wrong. So even if you don't really care about your health and go ahead and use orals it will probably show as a spike in liver function on your next set of blood tests and you will be pulled off the acne meds and have to start the whole process all over.

Thanks for you input Mike zero ; )

If i decided to start a injectable cycle would that make my acne worse? Or do you guys recon should hold off till its cleared before starting?

[justhell]

hey Mike Zero,

you are right there,at first the doc said he will start me on antibiotics first to see if that works.

then i reminded him iv been on other types of pills for acne bout 10 years ago,so he is considering roaccutane because i had another strong one in the past.

just talked about getting dry skin(had that before),and depression.

if i do go ahead with even low dose roaccutane i will just use enanthate for next cycle.(hold danabol for nather time).

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cheers

[justhell]

yayy just picked up 1mths supply of oratane caps 20mg :jive:

got blood tests tommorow & then again in 2 weeks time(and chat with doctor).

if my bloods are all good in 2 weeks time i will consider doing my planned cycle.

:grin:

[justhell]

Just a quick update on oratane,good stuff.

iv done a little over 3 months taking this stuff and im happy as about clearing all of my acne up.

i took 20mg a day for 7 weeks

40mg a day for 2 weeks

60mg a day for 1 week

40mg a day for 1 week

then back to 20mg a day for 4 weeks.

i had no major side effects apart from sore knees(doing heavy as leg press) and sore forearms.(not sure if because of oratane-,but probably).

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[rimma]

Nice one bro, oratane is good stuff ae. I finished my course in mid-November, worked like a fucking charm.

[Hellokitty]

I took it for almost a year a few years ago and haven't had any acne at all since its amazing stuff. Although I don't know anything about cycling etc I would recommend you really do your research as it has a really long half life. my dermatologist told me that if I got pregnant within a year of stopping it I would either have a miscarriage or need to have an abortion due to abnormalities with the fetus. Now I realize that isn't something you have to worry about but the point I was trying to make is that it really does stay in your system for that long so if you are worried about kidney and liver damage I wouldnt start taking anything straight after you finish

just my 2cents worth

[justhell]

helloHellokitty,as far as i know and iv read heaps about the stuff,that it takes 1 month to be out of the system.

i think the moderen oratane(gel caps),arnt as harsh on liver & kidneys,as the original roaccutane ?

after 6 weeks on oratane,my blood tests were just slightly raised but the doc said that was nothing to worry about.

im gonna take some sort of liver support for 1 month,then get on with my delayed d-bol & test cycle.

[Hellokitty]

have you done a search on medsafe cause they have heaps of info on there about how long it takes to get out of your system etc. When I was on it I think the brand name was Isotane but that was in 2007 and back then everyone was like ZOMG you are going to commit suicide if you are on it and it was pretty controversial where as now I think they know more and are more laid back about it and as long as you are getting the regular blood tests you should be sweet/ know if things are getting messed up. Good luck with your training and skin

[justhell]

hi ya Hellokitty,i havent read any thing from med safe but i do have a few different pamphlets that the doc gave me and from the chemist aswell.

one bit says"you must not take oratane capsules ..........this means you must use effective contraception one month before,during and one month after treatment with oratane capsules.

there is no risk to males who wish to father children.

but yea i know its a pretty harsh drug alright ,Hellokitty.

I had 2 lots of blood tests done while taking isotretinoin and they wernt too bad,i think im one of the lucky ones that i didnt get any bad side effects,but i was on a low dose and only on for 3 and a hlf months,thankfully thats all i needed.

im all clear now and still have 3 months supply to use,so if it comes back hopefully i dont need to see my doctor.

Cheers Hellokitty

and happy training & New year to you.

just copied some info from medsafe site.

Elimination

Isotretinoin appears to be eliminated almost exclusively by hepatic metabolism

and biliary excretion.

Following oral administration of isotretinoin, the elimination half-life of unchanged

substance has ranged from 7 to 39 hours (mean approximately 20 hours) in both

healthy volunteers and patients with cystic acne.

The mean elimination half-life of the 4-oxo metabolite in patients with cystic acne

is slightly longer (25 hours, range: 17-50 hours) than that of the parent

substance.

Isotretinoin is a physiological retinoid and endogenous retinoid concentrations

are reached within approximately two weeks following the end of isotretinoin

therapy.

[Usual Suspect]

I had minor acne blemishes throughout most of my teens and early 20s. Went away a bit but then got pretty average on my chest and back after my first few cycles in my mid 20s so I went and saw a dermatologist. Even at 110-120kg he put me on a pretty mild dose of isotane.

20mg/day 1 month,

40mg/day 1 month,

60mg/day 2 months

The acne pretty much cleared up except for a dry rash around my neck. Admittedly I started back up on cycle halfway thru (including 40mg dbol/day) but my bloods came back fine and after I came off cycle my skin went back to crystal clear.

Unfortunately everytime I do another cycle the acne comes back a little bit. But its different now. Small Hard lumps on my neck, and small blemishes on my chest, minor speckles on my shoulders. Not really that noticable or bad. And I know when I come off it will all go away anyway :shifty: .